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‘Wheelchair vs. Buggy’ Case Goes To The Supreme Court

The latest in this story from Wetherby is in this article on the BBC, which is entitled Supreme Court to hear ‘wheelchair vs buggy’ bus case.

I think it is interesting that this case comes from Wetherby, which I suspect doesn’t have such an intensive bus service as I have here in London or as there is in Manchester, Newcastle or Liverpool.

In London, I have never seen an argument over the wheelchair space on a bus, although I have seen some severe, but helpful reorganising, when a wheel-chair needs to be accommodated.

In London because bus frequencies are higher and there are generally shelters these days, I would suspect that most people, be they able-bodied, in a wheel-chair or with a buggy, accept that they may have to wait for the next bus.

But if there is only one bus an hour, it’s chucking it down and there’s no shelter, it’s more likely that passengers will refuse to co-operate.

So one way to mitigate problems like this, is to provide a better bus service, with more buses, better shelters and improved information.

But that all costs money!

I am not disabled, although I don’t drive because of an eyesight problem. I also because of my stroke, could have ended up in a wheelchair, so I sympathise, with those who have to use a wheelchair or electric buggy to get about.

I regularly, see passengers in wheelchairs use London buses, with their central entrance/exit, which leads straight into the wheelchair space. The design, also means the driver can deploy the ramp and do everything they need without leaving the cab. In loading a wheelchair, I’ve also seen buggy-pushers take advantage of the deployed ramp to get out of the bus to fold the buggy before getting back on.

But outside of London, where often the wheelchair user has to get in the front entrance by the driver, this creates all sorts of delays and I’ve seen on a crowded bus, virtually everybody on the lower-deck get off, to allow the wheelchair to pass through.

I wonder if outside of London, there is more resentment of wheel-chair users on buses, than there is in the capital.

In my view, all new buses should be designed for central wheelchair entrance/exit as this is so much more efficient.

I once had a discussion with a Manchester Buses union rep on a Manchester bus. He was all for the London system of no-money-on-buses, with a front entrance and central-exit passenger flow, as it cut attacks on staff.

Since then, London has gone even further and now with the ability to use any contactless bank card as a ticket, London now has one of the most advanced bus-ticketing system in the world.

We need a standardised bus-system all over the UK. It might actually encourage more people to use this often-neglected form of public transport, which would generate more revenue for a better system.

June 15, 2016 - Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , ,

7 Comments »

  1. I rarely use buses, because my Blue Badge gives me unlimited parking time almost everywhere in Greater Manchester. However there a bus stop right outside my house, and I have seen the occasional person in a wheelchair waiting for a bus or leaving a bus. The pavement has been raised to make for level access. There are about 10 buses an hour, all into Stockport, but coming from various places. Stockport does have bus shelters. However, some bright spark in the dept which bought the shelters got a cheap deal from one of the European countries, so the open side of the shelter faces onto the road and you get splashed by every vehicle which passes!

    Comment by nosnikrapzil | June 15, 2016 | Reply

    • Siting is sometimes down to road safety issues. Lamp posts and other street furniture are now often put at the back of the pavement rather than near the kerb.

      Comment by Mark Clayton | June 15, 2016 | Reply

  2. I have seen such a dispute on a frequent service in Manchester, but in the event one pram pusher eventually and reluctantly got off.

    Oyster may be great, but the standard is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITSO_Ltd – for once it is London that is out of step with the rest of the country.

    Comment by Mark Clayton | June 15, 2016 | Reply

    • Oyster won’t last long, as everybody uses contactless bank cards, which is going to be the standard. All these company specific cards are a waste of space.

      Comment by AnonW | June 15, 2016 | Reply

      • A weekly bus ticket on Stagecoach Manchester, which covers all the south side, Wigan and other routes is £13.50p including night buses. Service is good. How much is a TfL any bus ticket? The students can get sorted out for under a tenner. I would accept that TfL area is bigger, but I doubt many make bus journeys over an hour, so usage per bus is probably similar.

        Comment by Mark Clayton | June 15, 2016

  3. It’s complicated in London, but as I get it free up to Zone 6, I don’t care. I can also buy extension tickets, so if say I want to go to Chatham, I just pay to extend my ticket from Zone 6.

    This page gives full details.

    https://tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments/fares?intcmp=1648

    You can have daily, weekly and monthly caps on contactless and Oyster. But the great thing about the London system, is if say you want to mainly use the buses, with perhaps the occasional train journey, you use the same ticket.

    Kids under 15 get free buses and a special rate on tubes and trains.

    Comment by AnonW | June 15, 2016 | Reply


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