The Anonymous Widower

High Speed Two To Lancaster

There has been a lot of speculation about the Northern end of High Speed Two, so I might as well add sort out a few facts and add a bit of  speculation of my own.

The Current Lancaster Service

I shall look at the 07:30 train on the 29th September 2023.

• It was a nine-car Class 390 train or Pendolino, which left on time.
• Euston and Lancaster are 230 miles apart.
• The train passed Crewe at 09:59
• The train arrived at Warrington Bank Quay at 09:14 and left at 09:15.
• The train arrived at Wigan North Western at 09:25 and left at 09:26.
• The train arrived at Preston at 09:39 and left at 09:41.
• The train arrived at Lancaster at 09:55 and left at 09:57.
• The journey took two hours and 25 minutes
• The average speed was 95.2 mph.
• There is at least one train per hour (tph).

Lancaster Will Get Its Own High Speed Two Service

This graphic shows High Speed Two services after Phase 2b is completed.

Note.

1. Lancaster and Liverpool share a pair of High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains, that will split and join at Crewe.
2. The Lancaster service will stop at Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston, to the North of Crewe.

The Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two gives these times for trains from London after Phase 2a opens to Crewe.

• Crewe – 56 minutes
• Warrington Bank Quay – One hour and 20 minutes
• Wigan North Western – One hour and 34 minutes
• Preston – One hour and 18 minutes
• Lancaster – Two hours and 3 minutes
• Oxenholme – One hour and 56 minutes
• Carlisle – Two hours and 23 minutes

Note.

1. The Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Lancaster times will apply to the direct Lancaster service.
2. The Preston and Carlisle times apply to the non-stop Scottish service.
3. Oxenholme will be reached with a change from London.
4. Currently, Pendolinos travel between Crewe and Lancaster in an hour or a few minutes less.

I feel the Lancaster time is suspect and a better time would be around one hour and 52-56 minutes.

140 Mph Running Between Crewe And Preston

Consider.

• London Euston and Crewe is 56 minutes
• One hour and 18 minutes to Preston infers a time of 22 minutes between Crewe and Preston.
• Crewe and Preston is 51 miles.

This implies an average speed of 139 mph.

As the West Coast Main Line was built for 140 mph, when digital signalling was installed, this would appear to be feasible, once the signalling is upgraded.

It may also mean, that faster times are possible in services to Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western.

Crewe And Warrington Bank Quay

Consider.

• The distance is 24.1 miles
• HS2 will take 24 minutes with one acceleration and one deceleration, which probably take a maximum of 4 minutes in total.
• I explain the four minutes in High Speed Two To Crewe.

This gives an average speed of 72.3 mph.

Warrington Bank Quay And Wigan North Western

Consider.

• The distance is 11.7 miles
• HS2 will take 14 minutes with one acceleration and one deceleration, which probably take a maximum of 4 minutes in total.

This gives an average speed of 70.2 mph.

Wigan North Western And Lancaster

Consider.

• The distance is 36.1 miles
• HS2 will take 29 minutes with two accelerations and two decelerations, which probably take a maximum of 8 minutes in total.
• I will also allow a minute for the dwell time at Preston.

This gives an average speed of 108.3 mph.

Crewe And Lancaster

Consider.

• The distance is 72 miles
• HS2 will take 67 minutes with four accelerations and four decelerations, which probably take a maximum of 16 minutes in total.
• I will also allow a minute for the dwell times at Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan and Preston.

This gives an average speed of 90.6 mph.

I now feel happier about two hours and three minutes between London and Lancaster.

Conclusion

The West Coast Main Line needs upgrading to full in-cab digital signalling as soon as possible.

Once working it would give journey time savings for everybody travelling on the line.

See Also

Could High Speed Two Finish At Lichfield?

High Speed Two To Crewe

High Speed Two To Holyhead

High Speed Two To Liverpool

High Speed Two To Manchester

High Speed Two To Stoke-on-Trent

High Speed Two To Wigan

October 1, 2023 - Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Crewe Station, Digital Signalling, Eden Project Morecambe, High Speed Two, High Speed Two Classic-Compatible Trains, High Speed Two Lite, Lancaster Station, Preston Station, Warrington Bank Quay Station, Wigan North Western Station