The Anonymous Widower

London’s Plans For Trams

In TfL’s Transport Plan for 2050, trams don’t get much of a mention.

The document talks in vague terms about increasing frequency and capacity on the existing Tramlink and about extending it to Sutton.

So does this mean that effectively any new tram routes are off the agenda as TfLbelieves like I do after seeing the operation of bus route 38 in recent months, that new Routemaster buses are a more flexible and affordable option.

August 6, 2014 - Posted by | Transport/Travel | , ,


  1. I have to agree. Trams, whilst nice to ride on are s-l-o-w.

    I recently pulled off of the M602 on a journey into Manchester and availed myself and the Park and Ride (tram). I soon wished that I hadn’t as the tram dawdled its way into Manchester while the much faster and numerous buses flew past!

    Next time I will use the bus. Why are trams so painfully slow unless on dedicated (former railway) tracks?

    Up here sometimes the only thing in trams favour is that there is at least some useful information available at the tram stops, and whilst it is of rather poor quality, at least it is easier to decipher than that provided at the GMPTE bus stops. And of course you can assume that it will be there to take you back in the evening – something that can’t be said of the buses which like to be tucked up in bed shortly after tea!

    GMPTE it seems is run by motorists.

    I cannot help but wonder whether if the buses in Manchester were regulated, and managed by people who knew what they are doing (NOT GMPTE); that the millions of pounds spent on the Manchester trams could have been better spent providing a more comprehensive bus service to a far wider spread of people?

    …and don’t even get me started on their tram ticketing model which means that if you have the need to travel on tram plus a bus or a train (or heaven forbid all three) as part of your daily commute, you have to buy separate passes as there are no tram + train/bus weekly or monthly tickets available! You can buy train & bus weekly passes, but no tram/train or tram/bus!

    So I learned to drive…. and now have one form of integrated transport, my car.

    Comment by Robin | November 10, 2015 | Reply

    • You make a lot of good points!

      1. The speed of trams is generally dictated by the other traffic. The Germans are spending a lot of money on tram-trains, that speed you into the city as three or four-car trains and then they slow down and take to the tram tracks, running amongst the other tram lines. So in Manchester tram-trains could run from say Warrington or Sheffield and then about five miles out take the tram tracks. They are so flexible.

      2. Bus and tram stops have no information for someone like me, who doesn’t know the city.

      3. There are no walking maps like London has on every stop.

      4. If London can do ticketing on contactless bank cards, why can’t Manchester? It’s because it would mean copying a system that works in London. Mancunians wouldn’t do that!

      Manchester ought to decide if it wants to be successful!

      Comment by AnonW | November 10, 2015 | Reply

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