The Anonymous Widower

Northern Considering Options For More New Trains

The title of this post is the same as that of this article on Rail Magazine.

This is a paragraph.

Senior Northern sources told RAIL on June 28 that the operator believes the new trains will entice more people onto its services, and that within two years – once all 101 new trains are in service – there could be overcrowding.

This sounds to me, like another case of London Overground Syndrome.

At least, Northern have identified it early and taken the only action that works – Acquire more trains.

The High Speed Train Problem

Several of Northern’s routes use 100 mph trains on the West Coast and East Coast Main Lines.

  • Blackpool and York
  • Chester and Leeds
  • Hull and York
  • Leeds and York
  • Liverpool and Blackpool via Wigan
  • Manchester and Crewe
  • Manchester and Stoke
  • Manchester Airport and Barrow
  • Manchester Airport and Blackpool
  • Manchester Airport and Windermere

Will Northern acquire some 110 mph or even 125 mph trains to ease the creation of timetables amongst so many high speed trains using the main lines?

Greater Anglia’s New Train Order

Greater Anglia have ordered thirty-eight Class 755 trains, which have a total of 138 cars.

These will replace twenty-six assorted trains, which have a total of 55 cars.

This is an increase of 46% in the number of trains and  150% in the number of cars.

Greater Anglia didn’t increase the fleet so that could sit in sidings, so I think we can expect some new services and higher frequencies.


Northern’s actions are in line with other operators.

July 15, 2019 - Posted by | Transport | , , , ,


  1. For many years one of the main complaints was the limited capacity of two carriage Pacer trains and yet when details of replacements were announced many. were of same two carriage length !

    London Overground trains have benefited from their design allowing extra carriage being slotted into trains . So will new Northern trains have age same ease of lengthening them ?

    Comment by Melvyn | July 15, 2019 | Reply

    • Bombardier and Hitachi trains are plug-and-play or cut-and-paste. This led to the ease with which London Overground created four-car 378s for the Goblin. I suspect CAF are the same as they have 3 and 4 car electrics. So could a lot of Northern’s extra carriages just lengthen two-car to three. At least most of the platforms in the North seem to be built for at least four-car trains – 80 metres, so there won’t be too much of a platform lengthening problem.

      Comment by AnonW | July 16, 2019 | Reply

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