The Anonymous Widower

TfL May Need To Close An Entire Tube Line Due To Funding Crunch

The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Ian’s Visits.

This is the first paragraph.

The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, has issued a warning that an entire Tube line could close if the Government does not grant TfL the emergency and long-term funding it needs to maintain the capital’s transport services.

Ian, then speculates about which line would close.

I questioned his fare freeze before he was elected in Has Sadiq Khan Got His Sums Right? and very much feel that the politicians handling of Crossrail has caused its late opening.

Khan should realise you reap what you sow!

December 1, 2021 - Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , ,


  1. I have sympathy for TfLs plight but Mayor Khan does no favours with scaremongering like this and the only route that could be suspended is W&C. The reality is TfL needs to right size its operation for traffic on offer and it needs to start by getting unions onside not antagonising them as its done recently over the night tube.

    Comment by Nicholas Lewis | December 1, 2021 | Reply

    • Not the W & C. If you live in North-East London, you can generally get a bus or tube to Bank and it is a quick way to Waterloo.

      It’s been really missed these last two years.

      But as it doesn’t serve South London, Khan won’t get any hassle from his South London mates if he closes it.

      One way to save money would surely be start to change the fleets over to driverless operation.

      Comment by AnonW | December 1, 2021 | Reply

  2. No other cities around the world depends on simple fare revenues to run their services as London does and when that revenue was lost due to lockdown then it was obvious that this situation would arise if nothing was done .

    Mayor Khan failure to challenge tge government when the lockdown was announced was a failure as that’s when he should have demanded funding to operate services for key workers else services would be withdrawn to protect revenues long term .

    One possible other problem on bus services is the the tender award system which makes it difficult to make changes quickly compared to if bus services were operated directly.

    After all with usage decline in would have been possible to thin services by for example extending the 476 to Oxford Circus and removing the 73 or extending the 149 to Ponders End and removing the 349 perhaps this might still happen as a way of cutting services but retaining spread ?

    Comment by Melvyn | December 1, 2021 | Reply

    • TfL are already merging the 21 and 271, which is a disaster for where I live, as I’ll be left with just the 141, which once Crossrail opens will be the major link with the Northern part of the Piccadilly Line and Crossrail. I expect it to be very crowded.

      Comment by AnonW | December 1, 2021 | Reply

      • The above examples are routes that totally overlap meaning the full route of all routes will still be covered . The 21 change is different as it diverts the route away from its existing route and of course users of the 271 will loose connections at the northern end of the route !

        Comment by Melvyn | December 1, 2021

  3. The 271 is being totally withdrawn.

    I used to have two routes to Highbury & Islington station; the 30 and the 277. When the 277 was cut back to Dalston Junction, one of TfL’s promises was to increase the frequency of the 30s to make up for the loss of the 277. They didn’t!

    The operator now runs Egyptian-built buses with more steps than Russia. We have two large bus manufacturers in the UK. Surely, we should buy British buses.

    Comment by AnonW | December 1, 2021 | Reply

  4. This is scaremongering. A lot of buses and trains run predominantly empty’ish to a lot less full outside of the peaks, while still operating an intense service. These services should have been thinned out to cater for the level of business.
    Particularly on some bus routes, as already mentioned, there are severe duplications. These should be reviewed and simplified changing some routes accordingly.

    Comment by Andrew Bruton | December 1, 2021 | Reply

    • The Bakerloo line could be cut back to Queens Pk as its a duplicate route with the Overground although I would probably thin the service North of Q.Pk rather than withdraw it totally. Then there was Liv St Shenfield route which used to bounce back every other one at Gidea Pk now they all run through to Shenfield at full frequency all day long with a handful of people on them north of Gidea Pk outside of busy times.

      Bus routes in and around central London seem well patronised when i use them but some of the suburban routes look under used but as another commentator says how much flexibility has TfL got on the tendered routes without the operator being able to make a claim I wonder.

      Comment by Nicholas Lewis | December 1, 2021 | Reply

      • The Bakerloo Line is a nightmare for anybody who is not 100 % fit. You have to climb up into the Overground trains and jump down into the Bakerloo Line trains.

        The two lines need merging with new or refurbished tube-sized trains and level access at all stations. The line would have two Southern terminals at Euston and Elephant and Castle.

        But it has one big problem for the Mayor.

        It doesn’t do anything for South London.

        But it would attract more paying passengers to the Bakerloo Line.

        Comment by AnonW | December 1, 2021

  5. Constant repetition doesn’t necessarily make something true. The criticisms of Sadiq Khan are straight out of the CCHQ machine..

    Comment by John Cutmore | December 2, 2021 | Reply

    • My criticism of Khan and other London politicians is based on decades of writing project management software and looking at projects all over the world.

      London is trying to do too many large projects at the same time, because nobody added up all the resources that would be needed and say that some should be delayed for a couple of years or until Crossrail opened.

      Comment by AnonW | December 2, 2021 | Reply

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