The Anonymous Widower

A Connection Between City Thameslink Station And The Docklands Light Railway

In the Wikipedia entry for the Docklands Light Railway, there is a section describing a proposed Euston/St. Pancras Extension.

This is said.

In 2011, strategy documents proposed a DLR extension to Euston and St Pancras. Transport for London have considered driving a line from City Thameslink via Holborn north to the rail termini. The main benefit of such an extension would be to broaden the available direct transport links to the Canary Wharf site. It would create a new artery in central London and help relieve the Northern and Circle lines and provide another metro line to serve the High Speed line into Euston.

This map from Transport for London, shows the possible Western extension of the DLR.

With all the problems of the funding of Crossrail 2, that I wrote about in Crossrail 2 Review Prompts Fresh Delays, could this extension of the DLR, be a good idea?

Consider,

  • Victoria, Euston and St. Pancras are prosposed Crossrail 2 stations.
  • It would link Canary Wharf and the City of London to Eurostar, Northern and Scottish services and High Speed 2.
  • It would give all of the Docklands Light Railway network access to Thameslink.
  • A pair of well-designed termini at Euston and St. Panras would probably increase frequency and capacity on the Bank branch of the system.
  • The DLR is getting new higher capacity trains.
  • Bank station is being upgraded with forty percent more passenger capacity.
  • Holborn station is being upgraded and hopefully will be future-proofed for this extension.
  • One big advantage at City Thameslink, is that Thameslink and the proposed DLR extension will cross at right-angles, thus probably making designing a good step-free interchange easier.
  • The Bank Branch of the DLR currently handles 15 tph, but could probably handle more, if they went on to two terminal stations at St Pancras and Victoria..
  • Waterloo and City Line can run at twenty-four tph.

Cinderella she may be, but then she always delivers, when there is a desperate need, just as she did magnificently at the 2012 Olympics.

The only problem with this extension of the DLR, is that compared to the rest of the system, the views will be terrible.

For myself and all the others living along the East London Line, with a step-free change at Shadwell, we would get excellent access to Euston, Saint Pancras and Victoria

But could the line still be called the Docklands Light Railway, as it spreads its tentacles further?

 

March 12, 2018 - Posted by | Travel | , , , , , , ,

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  3. The other problem is, right now Bank only serves 20tph, which means each branch would get just 10tph. This isn’t good enough for the investment required to build the tunnels.

    I’d like to see Tower Gateway rebuilt as a deep level station on the Bank branch. Perhaps we can then go to 32tph or 36tph and have 16 or 18tph on each branch – the signalling certainly could support this.

    BTW great content over the last week!

    Comment by ijmad | March 12, 2018 | Reply

    • To my mind, the big reason for extending to Euston, Victoria and Victoria is to be part of a poor man’s Crossrail 2 and reduce pressure on the Victoria Line.

      But no-one knows at present how Crossrail and a bit of walking will affect passenger numbers in Central London.

      Comment by AnonW | March 13, 2018 | Reply

  4. I wonder if the Southern branch could also serve Aldwych!

    Comment by ijmad | March 12, 2018 | Reply

    • The route would use the old overrun tunnels of the Jubilee Line, so it goes close. But Aldwych was closed partly because it didn’t generate much traffic.

      Comment by AnonW | March 13, 2018 | Reply

    • Aldwych Station is unlikely to see trains again. However, Temple Station is not far away and so a Subway link to Temple Station with escalators/ lifts might be possible.

      Comment by Melvyn | August 26, 2018 | Reply

      • Look at the London map on carto.metro.free.fr.

        This shows all the lines and it’s tight around that area. It’s probably why there is no interchange on the proposed DLR route between between Charing Cross and City Thameslink.

        The long overrun tunnels at Charing Cross are visible on the map and the DLR could go straight through the old platforms at Charing Cross after rebuilding. It may also be due to levels and the DLR tunnels might be able to sneak through at a convenient level. Or they might have to go very deep?

        Comment by AnonW | August 26, 2018

  5. Run Docklands north from Bank to Moorgate then let it take over the Northern City line and then in to the Northern Heights.

    Comment by Peter Dowden | April 14, 2018 | Reply

  6. Any new tunnels under can ntral London should be for huge long trains at high frequency like Cross rail. 10tph of short Docklands trains isn’t worth the big digging job. My suggestion for Northern City is because it has short stations to match.

    Comment by Peter Dowden | April 14, 2018 | Reply

  7. Looking at the plans on TfL site for Bank Station upgrade it seems the DLR was built with terminal heading north towards Moorgate when it would have better if terminal had headed west thus allowing easier extension towards Cannon Street Station and onwards towards City Thameslink Station as a first stage to free the DLR from the highly constrained Bank Station terminal!

    HS2 at Euston Station has potential for DLR extension givenit would provide a direct link from Canary Wharf to Euston for HS2.

    The former Jubilee Line tunnels towards Charing Cross may not be large enough for the DLR ?

    Comment by Melvyn | August 14, 2018 | Reply

  8. We have to remember that the DLR was designed in the 1980s as a stop gap.But like that other stop gap design on UK railways; the InterCity 125, she performed better than even the most optimistic designers could believe.

    After the 2012 Olympics, I met one of the big cheeses of Transport for London on a DLR train. When I asked him how the DLR performed, he said, that he felt it to be the star of the Games, as far as transport was concerned.

    She carried more passengers than they thought she would, without the smallest hiccup

    The extension to Euston and St. Pancras is in my view a logical extension to the West, that would enable Crossrail 2 to be built later.

    As to the Jubilee Line tunnels at Charing Cross, there has been troubles with tunnel linings on this section of the line, so perhaps to dig them out and fit new linings might be necessary anyway.

    Comment by AnonW | August 14, 2018 | Reply


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