The Anonymous Widower

I’ve Missed An Opportunity With Zopa

As I always do, I just checked my Zopa statistics this morning.  Not that anything untoward or otherwise happens on a Sunday!

I like analysing statistics and it would ave been great fun to see if anybody apply for any loans over the holiday.

But at present, I’ve only got the princely sum of £0.39 available. So I won’t be able to collect any data.

I bet though, if you apply for a loan to Wonga on Christmas day, you’ll get a loan!

I’ve just looked back at my Zopa data for Christmas 2011 and it would appear that I did make a loan on Christmas Day. Obviously, it wasn’t processed until a few days later.

But why shouldn’t you apply for a loan on Christmas Day from a reputable lender?  After all, the computers on which you perform your application never sleep. Or aren’t supposed to!

December 23, 2012 Posted by | Finance | , , | 1 Comment

Wonga Move Into Credit Card Territory

According to this article from the BBC, Wonga are moving into credit card and web fulfilment territory with their latest service called PayLater.

Although, I’m not a fan of Wonga, it could be a good idea, provided they moderate their interest rates.

Would I like to see someone like Zopa or Ratesetter doing the same? Only of course, if they didn’t relax their credit checks.

After all, for years, with many products and some big purchases like cars, finance has been an integral part of the process.

The trouble with something like Zopa doing this, could be, that if the loan is turned down, then the sale could be lost.

But Wonga’s thinking does show how the banks and credit card companies are getting it in the neck from the new financial innovators.

December 17, 2012 Posted by | Business, Finance | , , , , | Leave a comment

Payday Loans To Be Controlled

I feel that pay-day and short-term loan companies like Wonga are not the best of ideas.  They’re not good for customers as their interest rates are just totally out of line and I think that their business model will come a cropper, as I outlined here.

The government has stated that the new Financial Conduct Authority will have the power to impose a limit on interest rates, as outlined in this article.

It sounds fine in practice, but what will happen to existing loans? And who will lend to those, who use the payday loan system?

It will also effectively kill off all these companies, so they’ll be more unemployed.

And how many criminals and thugs will move into the loan-sharking business?

So all in all, with the proposed alcohol price legislation, it’s been a very good day for criminals.

 

November 28, 2012 Posted by | Finance, News | , , | Leave a comment

Wonga Apologises To Stella Creasy

Wonga have apologised to Stella Creasy, after one of their employees abused her on Twitter. It’s all here in the Guardian.

I’m always suspicious of Wonga, as I think they’re very slippery.  So was the twibel, as they’re now called, a means to get more publicity? After all, they must have known that Stella Creasy wouldn’t be amused.

November 21, 2012 Posted by | Computing, Finance | , | Leave a comment

“Local Business Lending Partnership” Gets Hijacked

Lancashire and Funding Circle have called their partnership a Local Business Lending Partnership.

But type that into Google, even with quotes and you get adverts for Wonga and Lloyds TSB.

Click here to see what you get!

Not what you’re looking for at all!

November 12, 2012 Posted by | Business, Computing, Finance | , , , | Leave a comment

Some Financial Ramblings About Wonga

I’ve never liked Wonga, ever since I saw a presentation of it at an Internet awards ceremony a few years ago.

There is an article in the Sunday Times today, which gives a few figures about the company. It apparently lent £375m last year and has made a debt provision of more than £66m. Or about 17.6 %.

That is a high figure and is totally out of line with good, well-run and profitable finance companies. I used to part-own one and our bad debt  ratio was if I remember correctly about five percent. Which was well below the industry average at the time.

I also have my own figures from Zopa, where I invest money to lend to third parties. My bad debt to invested money ratio  has never exceeded one percent.  But I do have a fairly conservative lending policy.

I have done extensive financial modelling in the area of finance companies and like to think, I know why well-run ones make a lot of money.

The first rule is to only lend to those with good credit ratings. Here, Zopa and Wonga are two very different animals.

Zopa creams the top of the market, acts like a normal finance company to borrowers and cuts its investors in on the deal. In fact, I wonder how many Zopa borrowers think of Zopa as a cheap source of finance with excellent terms and conditions?

Wonga on the other hand is a bottom feeder, targeting those with problems and might well look like a loan shark to many possible customers.

Other lenders like say Nationwide, Lloyds and the other reputable banks and finance companies are closer to Zopa, but probably not as much as they’d like to be.

The second rule is making sure that borrowers keep their payments up. Wonga don’t seem to be doing this judging by the bad debt ratio of 17.6 %, whereas Zopa is probably much better than the average for a reputable bank or finance company,judging by my experience. My ex-partner in the finance company feels that the Zopa figures are better than any he’s seen.

Wonga’s model is different to any other finance company. Banks and in effect, Zopa, get their money back over a period of time, typically measured in months or years. Whereas Wonga, probably gets it back in days, so the money goes round and round in the course of a year. Or it should do!

You might consider that Wonga is a money rental company, rather than a lender.  Even if it is one of last resort.

At present the Wonga model seems to be working, with a profit of about £26 on each transaction, of which the average size is £150. The Sunday Times doesn’t give the average length of each loan. Estimating what a typical reputable company might make on each deal, it looks like Wonga are really making quite a bit more money!

But there are two sides to every financial equation; money in and money out.

We ran our finance company on a very lean basis and if you are reputable and you get the business you need to grow the business as you want, then you don’t really need to spend too much money on things like advertising or promotion, as your customers do that for you. Even the banks don’t spend much on promoting their loan services! But they are uniquely placed to sell their loans with a big branch network.

Wonga are really spending it, judging by the adverts and the sponsorship you see.  Recently, it has been announced that they are pursuing a sponsorship deal at Newcastle United. Remember that the world of personal finance is littered with companies that thought they had a better model, but in fact didn’t. I’m old enough to have seen quite a few!

Wonga’s financial model seems to rely on putting your name in front of as many mugs as you can to carry out its bottom feeding.

If you compare Wonga with any reputable finance company, it would be unlikely that the latter would fall into trouble over its borrowers, as it would probably treat them fairly and respectfully. Using Zopa as an example, it only lends to those with good credit ratings, makes no charges to those, who don’t get loans and  generally charges a lower interest rate.

Wonga too, has already aroused the ire of some politicians like Stella Creasy over its policies and high interest rates. Politicians it should be said, need easy targets, like bankers with huge bonuses and payday lenders. Wonga in particular is a very easy target.

My financial modelling experience though does lead me to an important conclusion.

Wonga’s model will only generate profits, whilst there is a large pool of willing borrowers.  At present there are obviously enough, but as more and more suffer because of defaulting to Wonga, will the general public get the message that has been preached by the papers, like the Sun here and learn to use alternative sources of credit, like credit unions. Or in fact will they, just manage their finances better?

I gave the example of the Sun, as it is more likely to be the paper of choice of a possible Wonga borrower. On the other hand, there are some nice pieces about Wonga in the Guardian, the Telegraph, the Mail and the Mirror  It is also interesting to read some of the comments on a report of the Newcastle United sponsorship deal in the Newcastle Journal.

There is another big difference between the model Zopa and other reputable banks and finance companies use and that of Wonga.  The former rely heavily on personal recommendations from satisfied customers to get business.  Wonga would probably like to too, but with their high admitted default rate, the number of recommendations would be lower, especially if you’re being chased by them for the money.

So this all makes me think that at some time, Wonga will be unable to sustain the current growth. Especially, if legislation to limit their interest rates of over two thousand percent was passed by parliament.

I wonder whether they have already found the limit to growth, given the Newcastle United deal and the fact that the annoying bus adverts in London have reappeared in large numbers. After all what is a shirt sponsorship deal, but getting your company’s name in thousands of places on the street. If you are selling a quality product like say Emirates, Samsung, Standard Chartered or Waitrose, it doesn’t probably matter having thousands of football fans promoting your brand, but if you’re a payday lender, it might just be counter-productive  It would be very informative to read a learned paper on the effectiveness of shirt sponsorship.

October 7, 2012 Posted by | Finance, News | , , , , , | 4 Comments

Wonga Bad, Zopa Good?

This question was asked in an article in Finextra.

It’s a good read.

One thing Zopa has proved, is that when dealing with finance, you can work a sort of co-operative or Big-Society idea, using the standard techniques of the Internet. So in some ways the good thing about Zopa, is the way it has created a comunity around its business, which educates and then brings people to that business.

June 7, 2012 Posted by | Finance, News | , , | Leave a comment

Wonga Might Float in the US for $1.46billion

According to this report in the Telegraph, legalised loan shark, Wonga may float in the US for $1.46billion. Here’s the first paragraph.

The controversial company, criticised by the Office of Fair Trading and shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna, has discussed with investment banks the prospect of a float on the Nasdaq or New York Stock Exchange.

This company and the possible float, shows two of the worst faces of banking.

Let’s hope all the publicity, gets the government to do something about companies like this.

June 3, 2012 Posted by | Finance | | Leave a comment

A Pair of Wongas

Wonga is now targetting the business market.

A Pair of Wongas

Did they give the drivers a bonus to be in convoy?

May 29, 2012 Posted by | Business, Finance, Transport/Travel, World | , , | Leave a comment

Bus Adverts Must Work!

Or at least they must have done for Wonga after their series of adverts a couple of months ago.  As they are now using a whole new set of adverts for their Wonga for Business product.

A Wonga for Business Advert

The adverts are everywhere on a bus route near you.

On the other hand, they have been criticised by the OFT according to this report.

May 22, 2012 Posted by | Finance, Transport/Travel | , , | Leave a comment