The Cats At Clapham Common Station
Clapham Common station has replaced some of the adverts with pictures of cats.
This article on the BBC gives more details.
Perhaps the station should be renamed as Catham Uncommon.
Liverpool Street Crossrail Station Disentangled
Liverpool Street station on Crossrail is a massive double-ended beast that stretches as far as Moorgate station, where it has a second entrance.
At the Liverpool Street end, it will connect to the following in addition the the Main Line services out of the station.
- Central Line
- Circle Line
- Hammersmith and City Line
- Metropolitan Line
At the Moorgate end, it will connect to the following lines.
- Circle Line
- Hammersmith and City Line
- Metropolitan Line
- Northern Line
- Northern City Line
This is a visualisation of how Moorgate station will look after it has been rebuilt for Crossrail, that I found on this web page from May 2009, so it may be out-of-date and wrong.
Note.
- The royal blue line is labelled at First Capital Connect, for which I use the term Northern City Line.
- Turquoise is used for new Crossrail work, with red and yellow for the Central and sub-surface lines.
- If you enlarge the image by clicking on it, you can clearly see the escalators, that currently connect the Northern City and Northern Lines to the ticket hall.
- Crossrail appears to have an escalator connection to an enlarged Moorgate ticket hall
- The deep level Northern Line, which is shown in black, passes over Crossrail, but underneath the escalators that lead down.
I have since seen a cross-section of the station from Liverpool Street to Moorgate and it would appear that a few improvements have been made.
- A pedestrian tunnel is now planned to run between the Crossrail platforms, which will effectively link the escalators at both ends, which connect into the station entrances and ticket halls upstairs.
- It could be possible that the entrance to the station has been moved towards the East.
The interchanges possible at the combined station are best described as comprehensive.
Changing Between Crossrail And The Northern Line
The Northern Line crosses the Moorgate end of the Crossrail platforms at a right angle and it would appear to have a short escalator or step connection to a cross-passage between the two Crossrail platforms.
The only problem, is that you’ll have to make sure, you’re at the Western end of the Crossrail train.
Changing Between Crossrail And The Northern City Line
It would appear that Crossrail and the Northern City Lines are at roughly the same level and are very well connected.
- Passengers would appear to be able to take an escalator or lift from one set of platforms to the ticket hall and then take another set down to the other line.
- There also appears to be another independent passage, which starts midway down the Northern City Line platforms and takes a circuitous route to the Crossrail platforms.
- There may be another convenient route, where you go via the Northern Line and reappear on the other set of platforms.
It certainly won’t be a difficult interchange for passengers, although you’ll have to remember to position yourself at the Western end of the Crossrail train.
Changing Between Crossrail And The Central Line
The Central Line crosses the Liverpool Street end of the Crossrail platforms at a right angle and it would appear to have a short escalator or step connection to a cross-passage between the two Crossrail platforms.
The connection is not as neat as the Northern Line one at the other end of the Crossrail platforms
The only problem, is that you’ll have to make sure, you’re at the Eastern end of the Crossrail train.
Changing Between Liverpool Street And Moorgate
I’ve read somewhere, that the double-ended station is designed so that passengers can walk easily between the two ends of the station.
My view of the cross-section of the station from Liverpool Street to Moorgate confirms it is a feasble route.
- Passengers at Liverpool Street will descend to an intermediate level, from where the Central Line can be accessed.
- A walk of perhaps fifty metres will take you under the Central Line tunnels and to an escalator, that will descend to a wide passage between the Crossrail platforms.
- A walk of perhaps a hundred metres will give several entrances to the Crossrail platforms and take you to an escalator, which takes you to the intermediate level at Moorgate station.
- A level walk of perhaps thirty metres or so, will take you over the Northern Line tunnels and to an escalator, that gives direct access to the booking hall at Moorgate.
So a passenger from perhaps Ipswich to Hatfield on a very wet day, will dive on arrival at Liverpool Street into the Crossrail station and use it as a dry walking route to the Northern City platforms at Moorgate.
I suspect that an Oyster card or a contactless bank card will give free access to the route.
The same route will give Moorgate passengers access to the Central Line and Liverpool Street passengers access to the Northern Line.
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How Will House Prices Be Affected By The New Trains In Cuffley?
This was a question, that I was asked by someone, who is thinking of buying a house in the area.
It’s funny how people care more about the price of their house, than getting to work easier and in a reliable way in reasonable comfort, which surely must improve their work performance.
So I did a full analysis of the numbers of trains on the lines out of Moorgate to Hertford North, Welwyn Garden City and Letchworth Garden City to see what they showed.
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I think there are enough trains to run four trains per hour on both routes.
So an extra train an hour must have an affect, if the service is increased!
This question led me to write Could Passenger Services Be Run On The Canonbury Curve?
I am convinced that we’ll be seeing lots of changes on the trains out of Moorgate station and linking from Finsbury Park to Canonury and the East London Line will have lots of benefits for everyone in the North and East of London.
Could Passenger Services Be Run On The Canonbury Curve?
The Canonbury Curve is described like this in the Wikipedia entry for Canonbury station.
To the west of the station is the Canonbury curve, a freight-only connection through the Canonbury tunnel to the East Coast Main Line at Finsbury Park.
The curve is an electrified single-track.
This picture shows where the curve joins and leaves the North London Line.
I don’t know how much traffic uses the line, but I think it is only a few freight trains.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the track layout of the Canonbury Curve.
Note that it only has a connection to the North London Line, which is the more Northerly of the two pairs of lines. The East London Line is the other pair of lines and only carries third-rail electric services to Dalston Junction and on to the South.
In order for trains to go between Finsbury Park and the East London Line, there would need to some changes to Canonbury West Junction.
This Google Map shows Canonbury West Junction in detail.
The elliptical-shaped tower is an evacuation and vent shaft for the Channel Tunnel Rail Link.
There does seem to be space between the lines and I suspect that it would be possible to modify Canonbury West Junction.
The line is also visible as it passes by Drayton Park station to the South of Arsenal’s Emirates Stadium.
The line is the single track line to the right of the platform roof of the station. This image doesn’t show a true picture, as the line is at a higher level than the Northern City Line.
I think it is true to say, that there is quite a bit of space around Drayton Park station.
When the line gets to Finsbury Park station, the track seems to be extremely complicated, but I’m sure that it is possible to run a passenger train between Canonbury and Finsbury Park stations, as freight trains already make the journey.
A Second Thameslink Route Between Finsbury Park And East Croydon
I feel that a train service could be run between Finsbury Park and East Croydon stations via the Canonbury Curve and the East London Line.
It would require the appropriate political and commercial wills. Some track modifications would be needed.
In the next few sections, I will describe the various issues that will effect, whether such a service is created.
Objectives Of The Route
As a passenger from the East, I see the major objective is to link all those, who travel to and from London’s Eastern boroughs, like Bromley, Croydon, Greenwich, Hackney, Haringey, Lewisham, Tower Hamlets and Waltham Forest, with a better North-South railway.
But Govia Thameslink Railway, London Overground and Sadiq Khan may see things differently.
The East London Line may terminate in a decent purpose-built terminal at Highbury and Islington station, with these connections.
- North London Line to the West.
- Northern City services to the North.
- Victoria Line services to the West End and four major stations.
- Victoria Line to Waltham Forest.
But the termini in the South mean there is often a second change to get where you actually want to go.
- Many passengers want to go to East Croydon station rather than West Croydon station.
- There is no direct link to Thameslink, with all the extra destinations that would bring.
- Getting to London Bridge, Gatwick Airport, Kent and the South Coast is not easy.
I’m not the only one who is unhappy, as there has been a petition to the London Assembley to get Thameslink to call at Norwood Junction.
I think a lot of the problems were caused by the following.
- The East London Line was designed after Thameslink.
- Thameslink designers thought the East London Line was a short route from Whitechapel to New Cross and New Cross Gate.
- Thameslink is a National Rail project, whereas the East London Line is promoted by Transport for London.
On the other hand, East London does particularly well with two branches of Crossrail, so the connection to the East London Line at Whitechapel, will truly be a Jewel In The East.
Extending the East London Line to Finsbury Park in the North would give the following improvements.
- Links to the Piccadilly and Victoria Lines
- Links to Great Northern services to Hertford North, Welwyn Garden City, Letchworth Garden City and Cambridge
- Links to Thameslink services to Peterborough and Cambridge.
Connecting to East Croydon in the South would also be valuable.
- Links to Outer London suburban services to places like Epsom, Caterham and Oxted.
- Links to Thameslink services going to Gatwick Airport, Brighton and the South Coast.
- Links to London Tramlink across South London.
This connectivity at the North and South termini will not only make it better for those living in East London, but visitors and commuters needing to go to the area will find their journey much improved.
Now is the time to properly link Thameslkink and the East London Line to the benefit of users of both systems!
It could be the third line in London’s Crossrail/Thameslink network.
Advantages For Myself
I wouldn’t be being totally honest, if I didn’t point out my personal advantages of a Finsbury Park to East Croydon service.
I live within walking distance of Dalston Junction station and I would get single-change access to places like Brighton, Cambridge, Gatwick Airport and Peterborough.
But then so would the hundreds of thousands of people, who or work live near stations between Canonbury and Norwood Junction on the East London Line.
Thameslink, The Northern City Line And The Canonbury Curve
Thameslink, the Northern City Line to Moorgate and the line through the Canonbury Curve all come together at Finsbury Park station.
There would be opportunities to create a cross- and same-platform interchange between all three services.
I do think that the Northern City Line will because of its important link to Crossrail at Moorgate grow into a high-capacity link between Crossrail, the City of London and Canary Wharf at its Southern end and Finsbury Park, North London and Hertfordshire at its Northern end.
Added together Thameslink and the Moorgate trains could create a 12 tph service up the East Coast Main Line, as far as Welwyn Garden City.
My thoughts on this line are laid out in A North London Metro.
How Many Trains Would Be Needed To Run A Service Between Finsbury Park And East Croydon?
As things stand the current Class 717 trains, that have been ordered for the Northern City Line, couldn’t work the route, as the route is only able to accept five-car trains, but it could probably be run by the following.
- Five-car versions of the Class 717 trains.
- London Overground’s Class 378 trains
- Appropriate versions of the new Class 710 trains.
Current timings on the various sections are.
- Finsbury Park to Highbury and Islington – 4 minutes – Great Northern
- Highbury and Islington to New Cross Gate – 26 minutes – London Overground
- New Cross Gate to East Croydon – 22 minutes – Southern
So this would give a timing of 52 minutes, which could probably be beaten by a direct modern train, that could change current collection on the fly and took the Canonbury Curve short cut.
Any time around fifty minutes, would mean that a train could do the round trip in two hours and that eight trains being needed to run a 4 tph service.
The Design Of An Ideal Terminus
The branches of the East London Line at Clapham Junction, Crystal Palace, Dalston Junction, Highbury and Islington and New Cross end in their own dedicated bay platforms. At West Croydon, a reversing siding is used, as I wrote about in The Bay Platform And The Reversing Siding At West Croydon.
As rarely do any operational problems surface, I feel that a single platform or reversing siding would be sufficient for a route, that is not much longer than Highbury and Islington to West Croydon.
Passengers would also require.
- Decent step-free interchange between services.
- Lots of useful connecting trains and buses.
- Shops, kiosks and cafes.
- An attraction like a market, museum, shopping centre or an entertainment venue.
Perhaps even a place to sit in the sun, like the park at Crystal Palace or Dalston Square at Dalston Junction.
Looking at this, what idiot thought about using the dreadfully dreary and totally useless West Croydon?
An interesting concept is that the last two or three stations are used as a joint terminus, to give passengers more choice of onward routes, either by foot or by train, tram or bus.
You have Cannon Street, which is the actual terminus, but all services will also stop at London Bridge, when Thameslink is complete.
Other pairs include.
- Liverpool Street and Stratford
- Charing Cross, Waterloo East and London Bridge
- Edinburgh Waverley and Edinburgh Haymarket
- Birmingham New Street and Birmingham International
- Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Oxford Road.
- Highbury and Islington and Dalston Junction
Some have been purposely designed that way, whilst others have just happened.
In the case of choosing the two termini for the Finsbury Park to East Croydon route, they must be within a time that allows the train operator to to use a sensible operating policy to run trains.
It looks like, that if the trip time is fifty minutes or less, that is ideal, as the round trip can be two hours. But even if it’s a few minutes longer, you just add another train into the fleet and work on a two hours fifteen minutes cycle say.
The Northern Terminus
In this example, I have used Finsbury Park station as a Northern Terminus, but I think that as long as Finsbury Park is served by the route, a station to the North could be used instead.
A few thoughts.
- Using Drayton Park could mean an extra change for passengers.
- Crossrail 2 could be coming to New Southgate and/or Alexandra Palace in the future
- A terminus North of where the Hertford Loop Line joins the East Coast Main Line might be confusing and/or annoying for passengers.
- There needs to be space for an elegant solution to the step-free change of train.
I think there are two main possibilities; Finsbury Park and Alexandra Palace.
In some ways, Alexandra Palace would work better as there is more space.
In Could A Reversing Siding Be Built At Alexandra Palace?, I examined the possibility of building a reversing siding at Alexandra Palace station.
I came to the conclusion that it is feasible and also found out that one already exists at Bowes Park station.
So a train reversing at the Northern end of the new route would go through the following procedure.
- The train from the South, would arrive at a down interchange platform in Finsbury Park, where all down Thameslink and local services call, probably with Main Line services on one platform face and Hertford Loop Line services on the other.
- Reversing trains would probably use the Hertford Loop Line platform.
- After discharging passengers, it would proceed to the down Hertford Loop Line platform 4 at Alexandra Palace.
- Any passengers still left, would leave the station or catch another train.
- The train would then proceed to the reversing siding between the two lines of the Hertford Loop Line.
- The train would then start its return journey in the up Hertford Loop Line platform 1 or 2 at Alexandra Palace.
- The train would then return to Finsbury Park.
- It would call in the up interchange platform, before continuing on its way.
Effectively, the route would have a two station terminus with interchange to other trains at both Finsbury Park and Alexandra Palace, with train reversing at the latter.
Note.
- As a maximum of six tph will be using the Hertford Loop line, there is plenty of spare capacity to fit in another four trains.
- Reversing sidings are always useful when there are problems like failed trains or blockades.
- It could be used by Northern City services to Moorgate.
- If it could take an eight-car Class 700 train, it might have uses for Thameslink.
It is one of those small lengths of railway, that if it were properly designed could have a lot more uses than is obvious.
I am also actually surprised that as the space is there between the tracks of the Hertford Loop Line, that it hasn’t been used for something productive before.
The Southern Terminus
Just as the Northern end of the route must serve Finsbury Park, the Southern end must serve East Croydon, as so many services call at the station.
- Thameslink
- Gatwick Express
- Southern services all over the South.
- Tramlink
Another possibility would be to perhaps have a dedicated bay platform at South Croydon station, with services calling at East Croydon before reversing in a dedicated bay platform or a reversing siding at South Croydon.
South Croydon station also has form as a past Southern terminus for the West London Line route to Milton Keynes Central.
This Google Map shows the South Croydon station and the area immediately to the South.
At a quick look, it would appear that fitting a bay platform into the Northern end of the station could be difficult.
But, there could be space in the tangle of lines South of the station to create a reversing siding.
There’s certainly more space than there is at East Croydon.
Perhaps, if the station was to be properly sorted as a Southern terminus for the East London Line, it could also become the terminus for an uprated service on the West London Line to the West Coast Main Line.
Drayton Park Station
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the lines through Drayton Park station.
The lines either side of the island platform are the two tracks of the Northern City Line to Moorgate.
The line on the right in the map, links Finsbury Park station to the Canonbury Curve through the Canonbury Tunnel. This line is at a higher level, as this picture taken looking South along the platform at Drayton Park station shows.
The line is behind the retaining wall at the left. It’s position is betrayed by the overhead wires visible in the picture.
If a platform was to be put on this connecting line at Drayton Park, it would not be simple.
But help could be at hand!
In the map of the tracks at the station, there is a disused track labelled Depot. There is quite a large area of land around the station and any housing built on the site, should surely incorporate a new station underneath, with provision for a platform on the connecting line.
It would be a disaster, if housing was built all over the Drayton Park station site, without leaving provision for a station on the Canonbury to Finsbury Park Line.
The Canonbury Curve
As I pointed out earlier, the Canonbury Curve would need modification to enable trains to get between Finsbury Park and Canonbury stations.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the Overground through Canonbury and the two Dalston stations.
The various East-West tracks through the area from North to South are.
- The Eastbound North London Line to Stratford
- The Westbound North London Line to Highbury and Islington and Richmond.
- The Southbound East London Line to Dalston Junction and Croydon
- The Northbound East London Line to Highbury and Islington
A Finsbury Park to Dalston Junction service would do something like the following.
- Take the Canonbury Curve to the Eastbound North London Line.
- Stop in Plstform 4 at Canonbury station.
- Cross over to the Southbound East London Line using two new crossings.
- Continue South after stopping in Platform 4 at Dalston Junction station.
A service going the other way would do something like the following.
- Call in Platform 1 at Dalston Junction station.
- Cross over to the Westbound North London Line using two new crossings. (One would probably be used both ways.)
- Stop in Platform 3 at Canonbury station.
- After leaving Canonbury station take the existing crossover to the Eastbund North London Line.
- Take the Canonbury Curve to Finsbury Park station.
I don’t know whether my route would be possible, but I’m sure that an expert at Network Rail could come up with a workable and very safe solution.
At least there are factors that help.
- The line has been rebuilt in the last few years, so it must be well-documented.
- There are a lot of crossovers South of Dalston Junction station.
- The signalling is capable of handling bi-directional running.
But the most important factor is that to the East of the former Mildmay Park station, there is space for more track, as it would sappear there was an island platform between the pairs of lines. It is actually shown on the map of the lines through Canonbury and Dalston, earlier in this section.
These are some pictures of the lines between the Canonbury Curve and Mildmay Park.
I was really surprised to see how much space there is between Dalston and Highbury and Islington and I don’t believe it would be an impossible task to create a route between Dalston Junction and Finsbury Park stations via the Canonbury Curve.
I think the biggest problem could be where to switch from the third-rail electrification of the East London Line to the overhead electrification of the North London Line and the Canonbury Curve.
One of the solutions would be to use trains with on-board energy storage and they would automatically deploy pantograph or pick-up shoe, once they were on the electrified sections.
Six-Car Trains On The East London Line
Over the years there have been mixed messages about whether six-car trains will ever run on the East London Line.
The problems of lengthening some of the platforms at stations like Shadwell, Wapping and Rotherhithe mean that the current five-car trains need to use selective door opening.
But as this is probably the only problem to running longer trains, I suspect that running six-car Class 378 trains through the Thames Tunnel, is still an option to increase capacity on the East London Line.
So if six-car Class 378 trains with selective door opening can run from Dalston Junction to Surrey Quays and several stations in the South, surely six-car Class 717 trains could do the same, if they had selective door opening fitted.
As both trains are walk-through trains, selective door opening is not a great inconvenience to passengers, as with comprehensive information on the train, the passengers move to doors that open.
I can’t see any reason, why with a few simple modifications, Great Northern’s Class 717 trains could not use the East London Line to connect North and South London.
Frequency Between Finsbury Park And East Croydon
London Overground’s services on the East London Line and some other lines is based on the rule of four.
If you provide at least four tph, then passengers will turn up and go.
So there must be at least four trains between Finsbury Park and Croydon in both directions in every hour.
The upper limit to the frequency would probably be determined by two main questions.
- How many trains could negotiate through the Canonbury Curve and Canonbury station in an hour?
- How many spare paths exist through the Thames Tunnel?
The question also has to be asked if four tph were going to East Croydon, do four tph still need to go to West Croydon?
I think all this will mean that the probable frequency will be four tph.
Alternative Routes
I have been parochial and have concentrated on the core service between Finsbury Park and East Croydon, which would be of the greatest benefits to those like me, who live on the current East London Line.
But if trains can work the route profitably, why does there have to be a limit of where they can go?
Possible termini in the North include all of the current ones used as termini by services into Moorgate.
- Alexandra Palace
- Gordon Hill
- Hertford North
- Letchworth Garden City
- Welwyn Garden City
I have added Alexandra Palace, as it could have a reversing siding and could be invaluable in maintaining the stability of the service. It is also the last station on the route, that serves both Northern branches.
In the South, the possible termini include the following.
- Caterham, which was a Thameslink possible and has now been discarded.
- Gatwick Airport, because it likes to have its fingers in everything.
- Purley, because Southern are using it as a station to split Caterham and Tattenham Corner services.
- South Croydon, because it has form and is in a convenient location.
- Tattenham Corner, which was a Thameslink possible and has now been discarded.
I calculated the core time between Finsbury Park and East Croydon using these current journeys.
- Finsbury Park to Highbury and Islington – 4 minutes – Great Northern
- Highbury and Islington to New Cross Gate – 26 minutes – London Overground
- New Cross Gate to East Croydon – 22 minutes – Southern
This gives a time of 52 minutes, between Finsbury Park and East Croydon which until proven otherwise is a good base time.
It is also the current scheduled time for London Overground’s Highbury and Islington to West Croydon service.
The following should be borne in mind.
- New trains could shave a twenty seconds or so from each of the nineteen stops.
- Cutting the corner using the Canonbury Curve should save time.
- Modern trains would be able to change voltage quicker.
I would think that a sub-fifty minute time between Finsbury Park and East Croydon is possible.
The times between Finsbury Park and my possible Northern termini are.
- Alexandra Palace – 7 minutes
- Gordon Hill – 21 minutes
- Hertford North – 37 minutes
- Letchworth Garden City – 62 minutes
- Welwyn Garden City – 20 minutes
And those between East Croydon and possible Southern termini are.
- Caterham – 25 minutes
- Gatwick Airport – 15 minutes
- Purley – 6-9 minutes
- South Croydon – 3 minutes
- Tattenham Corner – 33 minutes
When linked to passenger statistics and the capacity on the various routes, I suspect that some routes could be shown to be a lot better than others.
Conclusions
If the following projects can be successfully delivered.
- A suitable Northern terminal platform or other arrangement.
- A suitable Southern terminal platform or other arrangement.
- An updated Canonbury Curve to connect the East London Line to Finsbury Park station.
- The procurement of suitable dual-voltage trains.
I can see no reason why a train service from Finsbury Park to East Croydon couldn’t be successfully run via the Canonbury Curve.
It would give the following benefits.
- Extra connectivity for those going to and from stations between Finsbury Park and East Croydon.
- Better access to Canary Wharf, Dalston, Gatwick Airport and Shoreditch.
- It would take some of the pressure off Moorgate services, if Crossrail loads them up.
- Development of a quality Southern terminus, might enable a better service from East Croydon to Old Oak Common and the West Coast Main Line using the West London Line.
Perhaps though, the biggest benefit would be that more trains could be running on the East London Line, without needing extra platform capacity at the current termini.
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A Numerical Analysis Of Great Northern’s New Class 717 Trains
Great Northern is replacing forty-four Class 313 trains of three-cars with twenty-five Class 717 trains of six-cars to work all services out of Moorgate station and probably some out of Kings Cross station.
So 132 carriages are being replaced with 150, which increases the space by about six percent.
But how many trains are actually needed to work the various routes?
Moorgate To Welwyn Garden City
Moorgate to Welwyn Garden City is a 3 trains per hour (tph) service.
The trip takes 51 minutes, so this means a train can go from Welwyn Garden City to Moorgate and back in under two hours.
We get the number of trains as follows.
- 3 tph needs 6 trains.
- 4 tph needs 8 trains.
- 6 tph needs 12 trains.
Moorgate To Hertford North
Moorgate to Hertford North is a 3 tph service.
,The trip takes 50 minutes, so the needs for the Hertford North are as follows.
- 3 tph needs 6 trains.
- 4 tph needs 8 trains.
- 6 tph needs 12 trains.
Moorgate To Letchworth Garden City
As the extended train to Letrhworth Garden City takes 25 minutes from Hertford North, this probably means that the trains needed for the extended service are as follows.
- 1 extended tph needs another train.
- 2 extended tph needs another 2 trains.
Total Trains On The Northern City Line
So this gives the following totals for trains on the Northern City line.
- 3 tph on each route with 1 tph to Letchworth Garden City needs 13 trains.
- 4 tph on each route with 1 tph to Letchworth Garden City needs 17 trains.
- 4 tph on each route with 2 tph to Letchworth Garden City needs 18 trains.
- 6 tph on each route with 1 tph to Letchworth Garden City needs 25 trains.
I don’t think we’ll see six tph on both routes, as that could be too many trains for the tunnel to Moorgate, which probably has a capacity of less than 10 tph.
Kings Cross To Foxton
In addition, Great Northern run an hourly service between Kings Cross and Foxton, which could use the new trains.
The service takes 75 minutes.
So as the service actually starts and finishes at Cambridge, this probably means the round trip is three hours, so the service will require the following number of trains.
- 1 tph would require 3 trains.
- 2 tph would require 6 trains.
Conclusion
The mathematics say to me, that the number of trains ordered is enough for the following services.
- 4 tph from Moorgate to Welwyn Garden City – 8 trains
- 4 tph from Moorgate to Hertford North – 8 trains
- 2 tph extended from Hertford North to Letchworth Garden City. – 2 trains
- 2 tph from Kings Cross to Foxton and Cambridge – 6 trains.
Although this doesn’t mean that this will be the service pattern.
It’s just if Great Northern wanted to go from 3 tph to 4 tph on the Northern City routes and increase other services, they have ordered enough trains.
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The Level Crossing At Lydney
This article in Rail News talks about the closure of the Severn Tunnel for electrification and the effects, that this will have locally.
This is said.
The closure means many more passenger and freight trains running through the Cotswolds and the Forest of Dean via Stroud, Gloucester and Lydney, and the extra rail traffic means that a number of level crossings will be much busier, with an extra 44 passenger trains and 27 freight using the diversion from Swindon on an average day.
So I searched and found this Google Map of Lydney station and the adjacent level crossing.
It looks like they’ll be having an interesting time during the closure.
A Level Crossing That Should Be Closed
One of my Google Alerts found this article in the Bicester Advertiser, which is entitled Tunnel could be dug under Bicester London Road railway line to keep route open.
So I found a Google Map of the crossing and Bicester Village station.
If you consider that when the next phase of the East West Rail Link opens in a few years time, the following passenger trains will be going through the station.
- 2 trains per hour (tph) from London Marylebone to Oxford
- 2 tph from Oxford to London Marylebone
- 2 tph from Reading to Bedford/Milton Keynes
- 2 tph from Bedford/Milton Keynes to Reading
That is 8 tph for a start and when you add in a few long freight trains, it is surely a good idea to close the level crossing and dig a road tunnel under the rail line.
Do We Need More Angels?
Before my reader, thinks I’ve gone all religious, I’m talking about the Angel tube station.
The station was substantially rebuilt in the early 1990s and this is said in Wikipedia in a section about the rebuilding.
For years since its opening, the station regularly suffered from overcrowding and had a very narrow island platform (barely 12 feet (3.7 m) in width), which constituted a major safety issue and caused justified fear among passengers. Consequently, the station was comprehensively rebuilt in the early 1990s. A new section of tunnel was excavated for a new northbound platform, and the southbound platform was rebuilt to completely occupy the original 30-foot tunnel, leaving it wider than most deep-level platforms on the system. The lifts and the ground-level building were closed and a new station entrance was opened on 10 August 1992 around the corner in Islington High Street together with the northbound platform while the southbound platform opened on 17 September 1992. Because of the distance between the new entrance and the platforms, and their depth, two flights of escalators were required, aligned approximately at a right angle.
So that explains why the station is unusual and safe. Rather than unusual and scary!
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the layout of the tunnels through Angel station.
Note.
- The dotted lines of the original tracks.
- The track to the North (top) was the original Northbound track.
- The Southbound track still has the same layout.
- The original twelve-foot island wide platform has now been widened to create the platform labelled 2.
- The platform labelled 1 and the track labelled 1992 is new work.
- The other dotted line was a siding.
I suppose the only complaint, is that the new station is not step-free, but then the work pre-dated the time from when disabled-access became commonplace.
London Bridge station went through a similar process in the late 1990s.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the track layout of the Northern and Jubilee Lines at the station.
The work that will be carried out at Bank station follows some of the things that were done over twenty years ago at Angel.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the current layout at the station.
Note the following about the current layout and future developments.
- Platforms 3 and 4 are the current Southbound and Northbound platforms respectively, with non-traditional on the right running.
- A new single-track Southbound tunnel is being built to the West of the current one, to create a space between the lines.
- The current platform 3 will become part of the passenger space as it has at Angel.
- Platforms are being widened.
- Better step-free access is being created.
- There will be escalators direct to the Central Line.
- Oversite development is being added on the top of the new station entrance on Cannon Street.
- In some ways too at Bank station, the precedents set by the new Walbrook Square entrance are also being followed.
This visualisation, shows what the new Bank station will look like.
I think more stations can be rebuilt along using similar techniques.
Clapham North and Clapham Common stations are the last two Northern Line platforms with an island platform in the tunnel and must be towards the top of any list. This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows their locations.
Note their closeness to Clapham High Street station, I am sure, that eventually a better solution to these two stations will come about because of property development in the area.
- Euston station must be added, but this will probably be sorted with HS2 and the rebuilding above.
- Camden Town station is planned for a major upgrade with property development on top.
- Finsbury Park station is being improved, but given the station’s future importance, is what is planned enough?
And then there is always Highbury and Islington station, which is probably the worst station on the Victoria Line for platform access.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the lines through the station.
Note the following about Highbury and Islington station.
- The Overground has been sorted with step-free access.
- The bridge outside the station, which was decidedly dodgy will be fixed soon.
- Islington Council have ambitious plans for Highbury Corner.
- The Northern City Line is being upgraded to a high frequency with new Class 717 trains.
- The frequency on the North London Line is going to be increased a notch or so.
- There will be more trains to the South on the East London Line.
- The Victoria Line is going to get closer to forty trains per hour.
All of this adds up to a desperate need to rebuild the station with more escalators and lifts, probably on both sides of the Holloway Road.
There is a further unlikely possibility at Highbury and Islington station.
Note the Canonbury Curve in the map, which lies on a single-track electrified line that links the North London Line to Finsbury Park on the East Coast Main Line, Thameslink and the Northern City Line.
If, as I suspect, that in a few years the Northern City Line is upgraded to a higher frequency, once the new Class 717 trains, there will be an even bigger need to sort out this station.
The Future Of Commuting
I take the title from this article in this Guardian, which is entitled Cattle-class: are Thameslink’s new ‘tube-style’ trains the future of commuting?
This is the sub-title to the article.
As the UK south-east’s rail nightmare continues, a new class of commuter trains has been quietly revealed – long, metro-style carriages without tables, built to accommodate as many standing passengers as possible. Is this the new normal?
The New Class 700 Trains
I have travelled on the new Class 700 trains and I wrote about my journey in A First Ride In A Class 700 Train.
These are things I thought some people might not like.
- The lack of audible messages. – I liked the quiet, but I’m not blind.
- The lack of tables in Standard Class compared with say the Class 387 trains, that currently work the line.
- The lack of wi-fi.
- The length of the train at 242.6m., if they get in the wrong carriage.
- The high step up into the train.
The last one is possibly to be compatible with other trains and is being addressed at East Croydon station, by raising the platforms. I didn’t go to Gatwick, but imagine large numbers of heavy cases being loaded and unloaded.
I think that the problem is that some bright spark in the Department of Transport or the Treasury, decided that the trains should be a one size fits all and that they had to cope with a lot of stations, where the platforms wouldn’t be seriously modified.
Thank goodness this idiot didn’t order the same trains for Crossrail.
The Routes Compared
It is interesting to compare the route and trains of Thameslink with Crossrail
The trains are similar in length, with about a third of the passengers getting seats at full capacity of 1500 for Crossrail’s Class 345 trains and 1800 for Thameslink’s Class 700 trains.
But I think there will be a big difference in passenger loading between the two lines.
These are times from four selected end points to Farringdon, where the two lines cross.
- Bedford (Thameslink) – 60 minutes
- Brighton (Thameslink) – 86 minutes
- Reading (Crossrail) – 58 minutes
- Shenfield (Crossrail) – 43 minutes
So it looks like the average commute on Thameslink could be longer, so possibly their trains should reflect that, with wi-fi, lots of tables etc.
But whereas Brighton and Bedford will get a few trains every hour to Central London, Shenfield will get ten.
Shenfield and Reading will also have long distance services coming in from further out and going direct to the capital.
Unfortunately, trains can’t start further South than Brighton.
Another big difference, is that Crossrail serves a lot of the places, commuters and visitors to the capital want to go. For example.
- Bond Street for the shops and the Underground
- Canary Wharf with a cross-platform change, if not direct.
- Heathrow for the planes
- Liverpool Street for long distance trains and the Underground.
- Moorgate for a walk to the City.
- Old Oak Common for long distance trains and the Overground.
- Paddington for long distance trains.
- Stratford for the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, shopping and the Underground.
- Whitechapel for the Overground.
Thameslink’s list is shorter and less impressive.
- Blackfriars for a walk to the City.
- City Thameslink for a walk to the City.
- Gatwick for the planes.
- Kings Cross St. Pancras for Eurostar and long distance trains.
- London Bridge for a walk to the City and the Underground.
I might be wrong, but this leads me to think that Crossrail will act like a high-capacity Underground Line across Central London,and will for example, be used by visitors wanting to have a walk in the City and then go to do some shopping in Oxford Street. Thameslink doesn’t have similar casual uses across Central London.
Another difference, is that Crossrail’s Shenfield and Reading branches are very much all-stations branches, whereas Thameslink’s have a lot of semi-fast trains.
This thinking leads to an important difference.
Crossrail’s train design and capacity depends heavily on the needs from Stratford to Old Oak Common, wheras Thameslink’s trains are more about the needs of long-distance commuters.
But then, Crossrail has been designed as a system of trains and routes to satisfy the capital’s needs, whereas Thameslink has been created by stitching together a series of Victorian lines, that all have different needs.
A Redesign For Thameslink
I think a few years after Crossrail and Thameslink open, Thameslink services will have a big redesign.
So what will happen?
It will be driven by the statistics of where passengers need to go.
But I can see the following happening.
Upgrading Of The Class 700 Trains
The more I read about the two sets of trains, the more I feel that passengers will moan about the Class 700 trains on Thameslink, when they experience the Class 345 trains on Crossrail.
Points of annoyance could include.
- The lack of wi-fi and charging sockets.
- Nowhere to put a coffee.
- The number of tables.
- The layout of the seats.
- Bicycles
But then these trains weren’t specified by the operator, unlike those on Crossrail, where Transport for London had a big input.
Creation Of More Cross-Platform And Same-Platform Interchanges
The only quality interchange between Thameslink and other services is London Bridge. But that has been designed recently.
East Croydon has been the victim of make-do-and mend for decades.
Gatwick Airport could be so much better.
St. Pancras is truly terrible and was designed so that passengers are kept fit, by walking long distances underground to reach other services.
West Hampstead Thameslink could be another Stratford, but it falls short.
I think we’ll see improvements to some of these stations to create better same-platform or cross-platform interchange between Thameslink and longer distance services.
As an example Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park seem to have been improved so that Thameslink has a good interchange with local services out of Kings Cross and Moorgate.
On Thameslink East Croydon, Gatwick and West Hampstead Thameslink must be updated to improve connectivity between Thameslink and longer distance services.
Separation Of Short And Longer Distance Trains South Of The River
On Crossrail, passengers going further East can change at Liverpool Street or Stratford in the centre or Shenfield in the East and those going further West can change at Paddington in the centre or Reading in the West.
Four of the five interchange stations; Liverpool Street, Paddington, Reading, Shenfield and Stratford, are large stations with excellent facilities and lots of trains and I can see that Shenfield will be improved by some pragmatic use of the current platforms and the nearby High Street.
North of the River on Thameslink, the interchange between short and longer distance distance trains isn’t perfect, but Finsbury Park, Kentish Town, Welwyn Garden City and West Hampstead are better and have more spare capacity than East Croydon.
The only decent interchange South of the River is the recently-updated London Bridge. But it is too close to the centre of London.
South of the River, Thameslink needs a station like Reading or Shenfield, where passengers have a cross-platform or same-platform change to and from a proper long-distance commuter train to a comfortable high-density shuttle across London, as an alternative to getting one train all the way.
The Brighton Belle Will Return
The Brighton Belle was the way to commute between London and Brighton until it ceased running in the 1970s.
I may have ridden it once as a child of about seven with my father, but we may have made our trip to Brighton on an ordinary train.
Having travelled to Brighton many times, the route could probably sustain a higher quality service than it currently gets.
Currently, there are three services on the route.
- Thameslink, that when complete will go via Gatwick, East Croydon and London Bridge to all points North of the River.
- Southern to Victoria, that will go via Gatwick Airport, East Croydon and Clapham Junction.
- Gatwick Express to Gatwick and Victoria.
All are operated by the same franchise, Govia Thameslink Railway.
In my view, this is part of the commuting problem to the South Coast and especially Brighton.
There are no paths for a high-class operator on the route between either Victoria or London Bridge and Gatwick, but I think that better use could be made of the current services to increase capacity and the quality of the trains.
So I believe that as it was after the initial privatisation, Gatwick Express should become a separate franchise.
In its simnplest reincarnation, it would offer a high-class operator between Vicrtoria, Gatwick and Brighton, perhaps calling at Three Bridges and/or Horsham, just as did the original Brighton Belle called at Horsham.
But I’ve believed for some time that with the electrification of the Great Western Railway, that a service between Reading and Gatwick, should come under the control of Gatwick Express.
Consider.
- A network of upmarket Gatwick Express services could be developed centred on Gatwick.
- A Class 387 train, running from Reading to Gatwick would do the journey faster than using Crossrail/Thameslink, without all the problems of even a simple change.
- A Gatwick to Ebbsfleet or Ashford service would be possible.
- Gatwick could have Gatwick Express services to Luton Airport using Thameslink via London Bridge and St. Pancras.
- The current services to Victoria and Brighton would continue.
- It would have dedicated platforms at Brighton, Gatwick, Victoria and possibly Reading.
Properly structured it could be a mix of high-class Airport and commuter services.
- It must have nothing to do with Govia Thameslink Railway.
- The Class 387 trains are probably good enough for the franchise.
- Something like a Chiltern-style Class system might be best.
- Surely, modern technology should be able to create a decent buffet car.
- Ticketing would be as now and must include contactless bank card and Oyster.
- If it wants to extend services to Eastbourne, Portsmouth and Southampton, it should be taken seriously.
I’m certain, a bright marketing man would come up with an iconic name for the service.
The only problem would be that Govia Thameslink Railway would object like mad, but in some ways they’ve brought it on themselves.
Only Twelve-Car Trains Through The Central Tunnel
It is essential that to maximise capacity of the line, that in the most restricted section through the central tunnel, that all trains through the tunnel are twelve-car trains.
So this would mean that Sutton Loop Line services would have to terminate at Blackfriars station, as was originally intended until MPs intervened.
In the Wikpedia entry for The Sutton Loop Line, this is said.
Recent proposals were to increase the frequency of the Thameslink service but terminate at Blackfriars. This would allow the trains through the core section to be replaced with longer trains which could not use the loop, but this has not proceeded due to objections from loop passengers about the withdrawal of their through service.
It might be difficult to bring in now, due to the layout of Blackfriars station. This means that passengers going South will need to Cross under the lines to get to the bay platforms on the other side of the station.
It should be noted, that under the latest plans, passengers coming South on Thameslink and wanting to go to Sevenoaks, will have to negotiate this down and up at Blackfriars. It will be easier, if they are on the Midland branch, as they could get any of the four Sutton Loop Line trains and change at Elephant and Castle. But those passengers on the East Coast branch have only the 2 tph Maidstone East service that goes through Elephant and Castle.
Sufficient Trains On Each Section Of Thameslink
If you look at the current proposed timetable in All Change On Thameslink, you can summarise each section as follows.
- Bedford to St. Pancras – 16 trains per hour (tph)
- Bedford to Luton – 8 tph
- Luton to St. Albans – 10 tph
- St. Albans to Kentish Town – 14 tph
- Kentish Town to St. Pancras – 16 tph
- Peterborough/Cambridge to St. Pancras – 6 tph
- Peterborough to Hitchin – 2 tph
- Cambridge to Hitchin – 4 tph
- Hitchin to St. Pancras – 6 tph
- St. Pancras to Blackfriars – 22 tph
- Blackfriars To Elephant and Castle – 8 tph
- Elephant and Castle to Sutton Loop – 4 tph
- Elephant and Castle to Swanley- 4 tph
- Swanley to Maidstone East- 2 tph
- Swanley to Sevenoaks – 2 tph
- Blackfriars to London Bridge 16 tph
- London Bridge to Orpington – 2 tph
- London Bridge to Rainham via Greenwich and Dartford – 2 tph
- London Bridge to East Croydon- 12 tph
- East Croydon to Gatwick – 10 tph
- Gatwick to Brighton – 4 tph
- Gatwick to Horsham – 2 tph
- Gatwick to Littlehampton – 2 tph
My numbers are probably not totally correct, but it does show there are reasonable frequencies everywhere.
Note.
- Rainham to Luton via Dartford, Greenwich and London Bridge looks a service for an area of South East London that needs development.
- Rainham to Luton calls at Abbey Wood for Crossrail, so it also is a valuable extension to Crossrail services at Abbey Wood.
- Swanley seems to be developing into an interchange for services to Kent, with four tph to Blackfriars and two tph to each of Maidstone East and Sevenoaks.
- Gatwick gets a frequency of 10 tph to London on Thameslink.
- There are 8 tph between Gatwick and Luton airports.
These frequencies have changed from those given in Wikipedia
The Effect Of The Northern City Line
The original service plan for Thameslink to the North of London, showed the following.
- 4 tph to Bedford
- 2 tph to Peterborough
- 4 tph to Cambridge
In total sixteen sixteen services were planned go up the Midland Main Line and eight up the East Coast Main Line and the Cambridge Branch.
But as I showed in All Change on Thameslink, it is now planned to be.
- 8 tph to Bedford
- 2 tph to Peterborough
- 4 tph to Cambridge
The service to Finsbury Park and Welwyn Gsrden City has also disappeared, so although the total number of services on the Midland Main Line remains the same, the number of services on the East Coast Main Line has dropped to six.
Could this be because the Northern City and the Hertford Loop Lines are going to be given an increased role in providing services, when the new Class 717 trains arrive in a couple of years?
It certainly looks as if Govia Thameslink Railway could be organising their services out of Kings Cross and Moorgate to augment the Thameslink services.
It looks like the following is happening.
- Short distance services up to about Hitchin and Letchworth Garden City are being served by trains from Kings Cross and Moorgate.
- The increase in the number and quality of the Class 717 trains is being used to provide an improved local service.
- Trains from Thameslink and Great Northern will provide the bulk of the long distance commuter services to Cambridge and Peterborough.
- GTR have also said that their Class 387 trains, will be working between Kings Cross, Cambridge, Peterborough and Kings Lynn.
I don’t think anybody will be complaining.
Embracing The East London Line
If you were going from say Gatwick Airport to Hatfield, when Thameslink is fully open in a few years time, you would probably get one of the direct trains, which will run at a frequency of 4 tph.
But rail enthusiasts and masochists might travel by this route.
- Gatwick Airport to East Croydon on Thameslink or Southern.
- East Croydon to Norwood Junction on Southern
- Norwood Junction to Highbury and Islington on the East London Line
- Highbury and Islington to Finsbury Park on the Northern City Line
- Finsbury Park to Hatfield on Great Northern or Thameslink.
I know it’s rather convoluted, but it does show how the East London Line is an important cross-London route, with strong links to railways controlled by Govia Thameslink Railway.
It is well-connected at the North, but connections at the South to Southern and Thameslink at the important station of East Croydon are woeful.
Thameslink must embrace the East London Line fully, just as it is embracing the Northern City Line.
Swanley Station
Swanley station could prove to be an important station for Thameslink.
Currently services call at the station are as follows.
- 4tph to London Victoria via Bromley South
- 2tph to West Hampstead Thameslink via Catford
- 2tph to Sevenoaks via Bat & Ball
- 1tph to Ashford International via Maidstone East
- 1tph to Canterbury West via Maidstone East
- 1tph to Dover Priory via Chatham
But if the current plans for Thameslink are fulfilled there will be the following Thamesline services through Swanley.
- 2 tph – Maidstone East to Cambridge
- 2 tph – Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
Adding these to the current services gives.
- 4tph to London Victoria via Bromley South
- 4tph to Blackfriars via Catford
- 2tph to Cambridge via Catford and Blackfriars
- 2tph to Sevenoaks via Bat & Ball
- 4 tph to Maidstone East
Effectively, Swanley will get a turn-up-and-go 4 tph service to Blackfriars, Maidstone East and Victoria.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the layout of lines at Swanley station.
Note.
- Swanley station has two island platforms.
- The line going North-East is the Chatham Main Line.
- The line going South-East is the Maidstone Line, leading to Maidstone East and Sevenoaks stations.
- At present, the platform arrangement is not one island platform for each direction.
This station could be dramatically improved to be a cross-platform interchange with London-bound and coast-bound services each with their own island platform. If of course, this were to be possible for other operational reasons.
The only passengers who would be inconvenienced, would be those who were travelling between stations on different lines to the East.
- The East London Line having cross-platform interchange vwith Thamesllink.
- Sortout the dreadful St. Pancras with good interchange between Thameslink and other lines.
- Gatwick acts as a collector station, where passengers from all over the South change trains to a high-capacity Gatwick to Luton/Bedford shuttle.
Thameslink will be radically different to how it is planned to be today.
Sometimes You Win Slow
Announcements on the East West Rail Link, haven’t exactly come thick and fast, the last one being the route of the section between Bedford and Cambridge, that I talked about in Is Cambridge University Being Pragmatic About The East West Rail Link?, was published in March 2016.
This article on Mix96 is entitled Winslow’s Station Is One Step Closer.
This is said.
Now a station for the town is one step nearer as Bucks County Council has paid £900,000 for a site to build it.
That looks like nine hundred thousand small steps to me.
Winslow station is to be built to the North-West of the town and this Google Map shows the location.
The lower black scar contains a rusty single-track and is all that remains of the original Varsity Line
When open the station will have two services.
- London Marylebone to Milton Keynes Central via Aylesbury, Winslow and Bletchley
- Reading-to Bedford via Oxford, Winslow, Bletchley and possibly Milton Keynes Central.
Wikipedia talks about opening one train per hour on both services in 2019.


































