And Then There Were Three!
This morning, I went to Gospel Oak station to look at what was running on the Gospel Oak to Barking Line.
I’d just watched two Class 710 and two Class 378 trains run the 10:10, 10:35, 10:50 and 11:05 trains to Barking, when another Class 710 train come through, by-passing Platform 3 and going straight on towards Barking.
So that must mean there’s at least a third Class 710 train, either being tested, training drivers or accumulating mileage.
Checking on Real Time Trains, it appears that the train passed Gospel Oak station at 11:11 and then ran all the way to Barking station, where it arrived at 11:53, which would have been the time that the missing 11:20 train would have arrived in Barking.
I can’t find any trains disappearing, but it looks like a train joined the service in the missing 11:20 slot and another train disappears back to Willesden Depot, thus creating a slot for another train.
The outcome is the following.
- Passengers seem to be getting at least three trains in every hour in each direction.
- London Overground have at least two and possibly three Class 710 trains running between Gospel Oak and Barking.
Baldrick would be proud!
May 25, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line | Leave a comment
And Finally!
They have been a long time coming, but today two Class 710 trains, started running on the Gospel Oak to Barking Line.
I took these pictures.
They certainly stand out with their large orange noses.
A few thoughts on various topics.
Doors And Controls
The doors are all double and wide as they should be for easy entry.
There are also full door controls on each side of the door and a door opening button in the door itself.
So on a crowded train, there won’t be the problem, you get on some trains, that the buttons are blocked by a large person standing in the way.
Information Displays
They are clear and very much follow the style of the displays on the Crossrail trains.
Although, they do have a clock, that seemed to be liked by other passengers and myself.
I also suspect the displays can be used advertising.
Noise
Like the Class 345 trains, they are quiet inside.
Seats
The longitudinal seats are as comfortable as those of their elder siblings; the Class 378 trains.
There are also lots of armrests.
As on those trains, passengers find their own place to put their legs and the passage up the middle of the train seems to stay free.
There are also no perches either side of the door, as in the Class 378 trains. It this to cut out canoodling?
USB Sockets
There isn’t a large number and they are only accessible from a few seats.
This picture shows the sockets on a Vivarail Class 230 train.
I think each armrest should have one.
Wi-Fi
I tested it and it worked
The Train Software
If I was designing something like a train, a tram, a bus or a car, the vehicle would have a backbone, that was compatible with the Internet.
The train software, that seems to have caused the delay could even be an operating system, like the one on your computer or phone.
In my experience, operating systems are very difficult to write, but once they are working, the following is possible.
- They work for all compatible computers, phones or trains.
- They can analyse the hardware to see what they’ve got connected.
- A large team of programmers can write compatible additions, just like thousands write apps for mobile devices.
I also believe that testing operating systems work as they should is one of the most difficult things to do in computing.
I don’t believe that the delay to the Class 710 trains because of software problems has been overly long in my experience.
Complex systems just take an awful long time to get write.
The good news though, is that if Bombardier have got their design right, they may well have cracked the computer systems for all other Aventras.
Conclusion
They tick a lot of boxes and I like the design.
I also feel that if Bombardier have solved the software problems, then Aventras could be delivered in a steady stream.
May 23, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Computing, Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, Software | 3 Comments
New Overground Trains Are Here – But Service Remains Reduced Until The Summer
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the Barking And Dagenham Post.
The title says most of it, but it appears that the trains will start running today from mid-morning!
May 23, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line | Leave a comment
Where Do They All Come From?
Not the lonely people in the Beatles, Eleanor Rigby, but although some may be lonely, I am referring to the passengers on the North London Line.
Today on the Saturday morning before the Bank Holiday, the Class 378 train was fairly full, with all seats taken and quite a few standing.
When the refurbished line opened in 2009 with new trains, there were six trains per hour (tph) of three-cars between Stratford and Willesden Junction stations. Now there are eight tph of five-cars. This is an increase in capacity of 2.22.
Travel this route in the Peak and it is difficult to find space to put your feet on the floor.
Passenger loading on this line seems to have got higher, since the train frequency increased from six tph to eight in December 2018.
So where do these passengers all come from?
- Are passengers avoiding the Gospel Oak To Barking Line, because of the reduced capacity?
- Has the increased frequency on the Victoria Line and new Class 717 trains on the Northern City Line, encouraged more passengers between Highbury & Islington and Stratford stations.
- Are passengers fed up with being fried on the Central Line?
- Is it people living in new developments along the line?
- Is it just people are fed up with driving in North London’s traffic and using trains as an alternative?
- Is it passengers using the line as an alternative after the non-appearance of Crossrail?
But whatever it is, action needs to be taken to create more capacity.
So what can be done?
Crossrail Needs To Be Opened
Crossrail’s non-appearance must make a difference, so when it finally opens, I will be very surprised if a proportion of passengers travelling to Highbury & Islington, don’t use Crossrail with its massive capacity as an alternative.
Class 710 Trains Will Finally Arrive On The Gospel Oak To Barking Line
When the Class 710 trains are working well on the Gospel Oak to Barking Line, this will mean that the three Class 378 trains, currently working the line, can go back home to the North, West and East London Lines fleet.
The Gospel Oak to Barking Line may also take passengers from the North London Line, once it is working with four tph and four-car trains.
Class 710 Trains On The Watford DC Line
The six Class 378 trains on the Watford DC Line will be replaced with Class 710 trains, thus adding six trains to the North, West and East London Lines fleet.
Extra Class 710 Trains For The North and West London Lines
Six new five-car Class 710 trains will also be delivered for the North and West London Lines.
As Clsas 710 trains can’t work the East London Line, does this mean that the six Class 378 trains cascaded from the Watford DC Line will go to the East London Line.
I have to ask what frequency of services could be run with an extra six trains.
In Gospel Oak-Barking Fleet Plan Remains Unclear, I calculated how many Class 378 trains were needed to run a full service on the North, East and West London Lines.
I said this about the trains needed for North and West London Lines.
Between Stratford and Richmond, trains take 59-64 minutes to go West and 62 minutes to come East.
Between Stratford and Clapham Junction, trains take 62 minutes to go West and 64 minutes to come East.
The round trip times are very similar and are around two and a half hours.
This means that the current eight tph service would need twenty trains
Extending this calculation gives the following numbers of trains for a combined North and West London Lines service.
- Eight tph needs twenty trains.
- Ten tph needs twenty-five trains.
- Twelve tph needs thirty trains.
Could this mean that the North and West London Line will get these services?
Stratford and Willesden Junction – 10 tph
Willesden Junction and Clapham Junction – 5 tph
Willesden Junction and Richmond – 5 tph
There would be one train spare, to cover for maintenance, software updates and breakdowns.
Six-Car Trains
In Will The East London Line Ever Get Six-Car Trains?, I looked at the possibility of six-car trains on the East London Line.
I came to this conclusion.
I will be very surprised if Network Rail’s original plan on six-car trains on the East London Line happens in the next few years.
There are various reasons.
- Bombardier don’t make Electrostars any more.
- Trains need an end-door for tunnel evacuation.
- Class 710 trains don’t have end doors.
- Some platforms would probably need difficult and expensive lengthening.
But six-car trains on the North and West London Lines could be a possibility.
In By Overground To High Speed Two, I said this about running six-car trains on the North and West London Lines.
Only a few stations can handle six-car trains without selective door opening and even the rebuilt West Hampstead station still has platforms for five-cars.
Selective door opening would allow six-car trains to use the five-car platforms and passengers have in London have shown they can cope with moving forward to get out at certain stations. Especially, as the walk-through design of the train, makes this a lot easier.
These numbers of trains would be needed to run the following frequencies to Richmond and Clapham Junction stations.
- Four tph – 20 trains
- Five tph – 25 trains
- Six tph – 30 trains
Obtaining these numbers of Class 710 trains would probably not be a big problem, if they were needed and the budget was available.
Conclusion
The new Class 710 trains and the moving around of trains should keep services going for a couple of years.
May 4, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 378 Train, Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, London Overground, North London Line, West London Line | 5 Comments
A Better News Day For New Trains
Yesterday, was a better news day for new trains, with articles with these headlines.
- Bombardier Class 710/2s Authorised, But Wait Goes On For Entry Into Traffic
- First Of CAF’s New Nova Fleet Accepted By TPE Ahead Of Rollout Across North Of England
- ORR Gives Green Light For LNER ‘801s’ To Enter Traffic
All are significant for passengers.
Class 710 Trains
The authorisation of the Class 710 trains is particular importance to me, as they will be running locally to where I live.
It will be a couple of months before they enter passenger service.
But the trains have mainly been delayed by software problems and now that appears to have been fixed and as there are twenty trains already built, I could see them entering service, as soon as drivers have been trained.
It should be noted that eight trains are needed for the Gospel Oak to Barking Line and six for the Watford DC Line, so if twenty have been built, I would expect that these two routes could be converted to the new trains by the summer.
Class 801 Trains
LNER’s Class 801 trains will be a significant introduction, as they will enable the cascade of the Mark 4 coaches to other operators, like Trains for Wales and East Midlands Railway.
April 17, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Class 801 Train, East Coast Main Line, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, London Overground, Mark 4 Coach, Mark 5A Coach, TransPennine Express, Watford DC Line | 2 Comments
Thoughts On Barking To Grays And Barking To Barking Riverside Train Services
c2c’s Fenchurch Street And Grays Service
This service runs at a frequency of two trains per hour (tph).
- Each journey takes about 34-36 minutes each way.
- If ten minutes is allowed at each end, that gives a ninety minute round trip.
- The service will need three trains.
A four tph service would need.
- Six trains.
- The ability to handle extra two tph at Fenchurch Street station and in the bay platform at Grays station.
Grays station can probably handle the extra trains, but Fenchurch Street station may need extra capacity.
London Overground’s Gospel Oak And Barking Riverside Service
This service runs at a frequency of four tph.
Changing At Barking Station
Both service will use.
- Platform 7 At Barking Station When Running Eastbound
- Platform 8 At Barking Station When Running Westbound
Both platforms will have to handle six tph.
Would It Be Better For Changing If Both Services Were Four tph?
This would mean.
- Passengers would never wait more than fifteen minutes to their desired destination.
- The combined frequency would be eight tph or a train every seven-and-a half minute.
- There would be a lot of scope for optimising the timetable for the convenience of passengers.
As an example, consider a passenger going from Barking Riverside to Fenchurch Street.
If trains were equally-spaced at Barking station, passengers would wait a maximum of seven-and-a-half minutes, if trains were on time.
On balance, if both services were four tph would be better.
Conclusion
If c2c and London Overground co-operate, customers will benefit.
April 9, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Barking Riverside Station, Barking Station, c2c, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, Grays Station, London Overground | Leave a comment
Riding The 9:09 From Harringay Green Lanes to Barking
On my trip to Grays station this morning, I took the 9:09 train from Harringay Green Lanes station to Barking station, where I got a direct train to Grays.
The three Class 378 trains seem to be coping and the four-car train was not overly full.
- In the short trip, a lot of passengers don’t seem to do more than one or two stations.
- There were even several big cases and a couple of buggies.
- There were spare seats all of the way.
If nothing else Bombardier’s late delivery of the Class 710 trains, has brought the qualities of the Class 378 trains to the fore.
As the Class 710 trains will have the same layout, I suspect when they are in service, there will be loads of space all day, until new passengers fill them up! As they always do!
April 9, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Barking Station, Class 378 Train, Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, Harringay Green Lanes Station | Leave a comment
The Mayflower At South Tottenham Station
The steam engine called Mayflower came through South Tottenham station this morning.
It was the first steam special along the Gospel Oak to Barking Line since the recent electrification.
Intriguingly, the locomotive is younger than I am and it has probably had better TLC than I have had in the last seventy years.
The crowd at the station wasn’t that large, but I don’t think there was that much publicity, outside of enthusiasts and the Barking – Gospel Oak Rail Users Group.
As an engineer, I think that the enlightened policy of allowing heritage steam and diesel locomotives to use the main line, is a good one. If it encourages bright students to become engineers, all the investment will be repaid in the long term.
March 23, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Engineering, Gospel Oak And Barking Line, South Tottenham Station | 1 Comment
Back To Two Trains Per Hour On The Gospel Oak To Barking Line
Checking this morning, it appears that four trains per hour (tph), which has been flagged up all week, will not be happening tomorrow according to the on-line timetable.
March 22, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line | Leave a comment
It Gets Stranger On The Gospel Oak To Barking Line
I’ve just looked at the on-line National Rail timetable for the next few days in trains per hour (tph)
- Friday, Mar 22nd – Two tph
- Saturday, Mar 23rd – Four tph
- Sunday, Mar 24th – Four tph
- Monday, Mar 25th – Twotph
- Tuesday Mar 26th – Two tph
We shall see what happens.
March 21, 2019 Posted by AnonW | Transport/Travel | Class 710 Train, Gospel Oak And Barking Line | Leave a comment
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