The Anonymous Widower

Did Plans For Crossrail Ever Include A Station At Holborn?

I have only one North-South bus route, where I live.

The 141 bus connects Palmers Green and London Bridge station.

  • The 141 bus was the replacement for the 641 trolley bus, which was the main link between Wood Green, Turnpike Lane and Harringay, and the City of London, when I was a child.
  • The vehicles are up to ten years old Wrightbus diesel hybrids.
  • The route suffers badly from overcrowding as it connects, Bank and Moorgate stations in the City of London, with the outer reaches of the Piccadilly Line.

The overcrowding on the 141 bus route has got worse in the last couple of years because of the following.

  • The rebuilding of London Bridge station brought more passengers to the 141 bus route.
  • The opening of the new London Bridge bus station at London Bridge station has improved access to the buses at London Bridge station.
  • The improvement of the connection of the buses to the Docklands Light Railway, Central Line and Northern Line at Bank station.
  • The opening of the Battersea branch of the Northern Line, which brings more passengers to Bank station.
  • The opening of the new Cannon Street entrance to Bank Underground station.
  • The opening of the Elizabeth Line through Moorgate station.
  • Recently, a new walking route between Moorgate and Liverpool Street was opened, which will bring more passengers to the buses on Moorgate.
  • The rebuilding of Old Street station brought more passengers to the 141 bus route.

So what was the response of the Mayor and Transport for London, to all this increase of passenger numbers?

The 21 bus, which shadowed the 141 route, and doubled the number of buses through where I live, was moved to serve Holloway.

It was a big crime against mathematics and the wishes of our long-serving Labour MP; Meg Hillier.

So to handle many more passengers between London Bridge station and Newington Green through the City of London, the number of buses was halved.

I believe that the overcrowding will get worse because of the improvements, that Transport for London have planned.

  • The Piccadilly Line will be getting new air-conditioned trains within a couple of years and these will inevitably attract more passengers to the line.
  • On the other hand the air-conditioning may persuade passengers to use the Piccadilly Line more than they do now. Instead of changing to the 141 bus at Manor House station, passengers could change at Finsbury Park, King’s Cross St. Pancras or Holborn stations for other routes to the City of London.
  • The third line to receive the new air-conditioned trains will probably be the Central Line, which would create another East-West air-conditioned line and bring more passengers to Bank station.
  • The Central Line could give some relief for the buses through Bank, if an extra station was built on the Central Line to interchange with Shoreditch High Street station on the East London Line of the London Overground.
  • The fourth line to receive the new air-conditioned trains will probably be the Waterloo and City Line, which would create another air-conditioned line and bring more passengers to Bank station.
  • It is likely, that more services will be added to the Elizabeth Line, which will bring more passengers to Moorgate station.
  • It is likely, that more services will be added to the Northern City Line, which will bring more passengers to Moorgate station.
  • The Mayor is also planning to pedestrianise Oxford Street, which may fill up the Central Line with extra passengers.

It looks to me, that there will be a need for a large increase of bus capacity through the City of London on a North-South axis.

On the other hand, the City of London  have stated that they will pedestrianise many of their streets.

So what can be done to avoid gridlock in the City of London?

Develop The Northern City Line At Moorgate

I use this route regularly to and from Moorgate station.

  • It already has new Class 717 air-conditioned trains.
  • The route is already  digitally signalled in conjunction with the East Coast Digital Programme.
  • It has two platforms at Moorgate station.
  • Highbury & Islington station has interchanges with the Victoria Line and the North and East London Lines of the London Overground.
  • Finsbury Park station has interchanges with the Victoria Line and National Rail services.
  • Bowes Park station has an out of station interchange with Bounds Green station on the Piccadilly Line.
  • Step-free access needs improving.
  • The Victorians had plans to extend the line to Lothbury near Bank station.

If the Northern City Line could handle more passengers, would passengers get to all parts of the City of London by changing at Finsbury Park and walking from Moorgate or Old Street stations?

I regularly go between my house and Moorgate, by taking a bus to Essex Road station and using the Northern City Line.

I believe that with improvements on the Northern City Line, the line could be turned into a very valuable part of London’s rail infrastructure.

Connect The Central Line And The East London Line At Shoreditch High Street Station

I wrote about this proposal in Will Shoreditch High Street Be Connected To The Central Line?

The Elizabeth Line needed to be completed before this could be started.

Build The Western Extension Of The Docklands Light Railway

I wrote about this proposal in The Bank Station Upgrade And The Western Extension Of The DLR.

Rebuild Holborn Station

The interchange between Piccadilly and Central Line at Holborn station is difficult to say the least.

Holborn station is being extended with a new entrance. As with Euston, I suspect it has been designed with a feasible place for DLR platforms to be added.

This document on the TfL web site, gives more details of what is proposed at Holborn station.

I extracted this visualisation of the proposed station.

This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the lines in the through and around the station.

.Note, the Elizabeth Line, which is shown by dotted lines passes to the North of the station.

Conclusion

Not all these improvements need to be done, but each would improve transport in the City of London.

 

June 4, 2025 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | Leave a comment

Are There Any Plans For The Bay Sub-Surface Platforms At Moorgate Station?

I use Moorgate station regularly, as there’s a Leon Restaurant just outside the station, that looked after me properly during the Covid-19 Pandemic, so when I’m in the area and need feeding I pop in.

These pictures show the four bay platforms on the Sub-Surface lines.

Note.

  1. The pair of platforms to the left or South are numbered 5 and 6 and used to handle Thameslink trains, that ran to Moorgate station.
  2. Platforms 5 and 6 used to be electrified with 25 KVAC overhead wires.
  3. The pair of platforms to the right or North are numbered 3 and 4 and are used to terminate some Metropolitan Line services at Moorgate station.
  4. Platforms 3 and 4 are  electrified with London Underground four-rail electrification.
  5. The number for Platform 4 can clearly be seen.

This map from cartometro shows the track layout in Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate stations.

Note.

  1. The multi-coloured tracks and platforms of the Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith & City Lines running through Platforms 1 & 2 at Farringdon, Barbican and Moorgate stations.
  2. The multi-coloured tracks and platforms of the Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith & City Lines terminating in Platforms 3 & 4 at Moorgate station.
  3. The purple tracks and platforms of the Elizabeth Line running underneath the Metropolitan, Circle and Hammersmith & City Lines and their stations.
  4. The maroon and white tracks and platforms of Thameslink running through Platforms 3 & 4 in Barbican station and terminating in Platforms 5 & 6 at Moorgate station.
  5. The black tracks of Thameslink running through Farringdon and City Thameslink stations.
  6. It would appear there used to be two junctions to allow trains from Moorgate to go North through Farringdon station or South through City Thameslink station.
  7. The Thameslink tracks have two useful crossovers.
  8. The black tracks of the City branch of the Northern Line running through Old Street, Moorgate and Bank stations.
  9. The black tracks of the Northern City Line running through Old Street station  and terminating in Moorgate station.
  10. The red tracks of the Central Line running through Chancery Lane, St. Paul’s and Bank station.

Because of the layout of the various tracks new connections and improvements may be possible.

Extending The Northern City Line To Bank Station

In Walking Along Moorgate – 30th September 2020, I describe some of the possibilities opened up by the design of Moor House, which has been built to allow more tunneling underneath.

I believe two extensions South from Moorgate station would be possible.

Note.

  1. As the extension to Bank station has dug tunnels all over the place, I would expect that the engineers on that project would have a good idea on the best way to connect Moorgate and Bank stations.
  2. I usually use the Northern Line between Moorgate and Bank stations, but sometimes the Northern Line is rather crowded.
  3. The Northern City Line is being resignalled and may have an increased number of trains, so more passenger capacity may be needed.
  4. If a new station were to be built at Lothbury, it might be possible to improve step-free access to the Northern City Line.
  5. A new station on the Northern City Line and a pedestrian tunnel could connect to the newly-installed travelator at Bank station.

There are certainly serious possibilities to improve connections between Moorgate and Bank stations.

Could Metropolitan Line Trains Be Turned At Moorgate Station?

Currently, there are eight trains per hour (tph) between Aldgate and Uxbridge in the Off Peak.

With the new signalling on the Sub-Surface Lines would it allow more trains to operate, if some Metropolitan Line services were terminated in Platforms 3 & 4 at Moorgate station.

Would It Be Worthwhile To Run Thameslink Trains Again Into Moorgate Station?

It would only need to terminate trains from the North, as trains from the South can terminate at Black friars Station.

Perhaps a two tph service from a convenient station would suffice.

A Pedestrian Connection Between City Thameslink Station And St. Paul’s Tube Station

I covered this in A Pedestrian Connection Between City Thameslink Station And St. Paul’s Tube Station.

March 29, 2025 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 7 Comments