The Anonymous Widower

Improving Trains Between London And Bradford

Current Services Between London And Bradford

LNER services run between Kings Cross  and Bradford Forster Square stations.

  • Two trains per day (tpd) run between Bradford and London in the early morning.
  • Two tpd run between London and Bradford in the evening.
  • Trains take two and three-quarter hours.
  • Stops are at Shipley, Leeds, Wakefield Westgate, Doncaster, Retford Grantham and Stevenage.
  • Trains seem to be generally a pair of five-car Class 801 trains.

Note.

  1. Trains reverse at Leeds.
  2. The timetable seems a bit lopsided, as there is no early morning train to Bradford or an evening one to London.
  3. Harrogate gets a one train per two hours (tp2h) service to and from London.

The timetable could do with an improvement.

Grand Central services run between Kings Cross  and Bradford Interchange stations.

  • Four tpd run between Bradford and London.
  • Four tpd run between London and Bradford.
  • Trains take three and a quarter hours.
  • Stops are at Pontefract Monkhill, Wakefield Kirkgate, Mirfield, Brighouse, Halifax and Low Moor
  • Trains are five-car Class 180 trains, which have seen better days.

Note.

  1. The timetable seems a bit lopsided, as there is no early morning train to Bradford or an evening one to London.

The timetable and the trains could do with an improvement.

LNER’s New Ticketing And Nine-Ten Car Trains

LNER have introduced the selling of  Advanced Tickets from machines or the Booking Office as late as five minutes before the train leaves.

  • My last three trips from Leeds to London cost me £33.55, £33.75 and £33.55 with my Senior Railcard.
  • All were bought less than ten minutes before the train left.
  • In two of the journeys, I spread out in two seats
  • Trains were either a pair of five-car Class 801 trains or a nine-car InterCity 225.

I took these pictures after my last return from Leeds on Tuesday.

Note.

  1. Two of the three trains I’ve taken lately have arrived 3-4 minutes early.
  2. Not a great increase, but I do wonder if LNER are seeing what is possible with the new digital signalling.
  3. The British Rail era; InterCity 225 seems to hold its own against the new Hitachi train.

I wouldn’t be surprised that LNER intend to both run high-capacity trains between London and Leeds and fill them by competitive pricing.

A Grand Central Train Failure On Tuesday

This was my journey to Bradford on Tuesday,

  • I was supposed to take the 1057 Grand Central service to Bradford Interchange, where it was timed to arrive at 1400.
  • But the train didn’t run and we were all advised to get on the 1103 to Leeds and change at Doncaster.
  • We arrived at Doncaster in Platform 4, a minute late at 1240 and got straight on a Grand Central train in the opposite Platform 6.
  • We left Doncaster at 1251, which was sixteen minutes late.
  • But we arrived in Bradford Interchange more or less on time at 1401.

Despite leaving six minutes late from Kings Cross and changing trains at Doncaster, we arrived at Bradford on time.

Battery-Electric Trains Between London and Bradford Interchange

I feel that my journey on Tuesday indicated.

  • Electric trains between London and Doncaster can easily meet the current timetable.
  • The Grand Central train went between Doncaster and Bradford Interchange was sixteen minutes faster than the timetable.

I wouldn’t be surprised that London and Bradford Interchange could be a few minutes under three hours.

Consider.

  • It has been said that between Bradford Interchange and Leeds will be electrified.
  • Bradford Interchange and Doncaster does not have electrification, but is only 52 miles.
  • Electrification of Bradford Interchange station, will allow battery-electric trains to be charged in around 10-12 minutes.
  • Most inter-city battery-electric trains have a battery range of at least eighty miles.
  • Digital signalling is being installed between London and Doncaster to allow 140 mph running and more trains in the timetable.

I believe that a battery-electric train with sufficient range, charging South of Doncaster and at Bradford Interchange could go between London and Bradford Interchange in 5-10 minutes under three hours.

Bradford Interchange and all the other stations North of Doncaster on the route could probably also have a one tp2h service to and from London and the South.

Splitting And Joining Of Trains

Consider.

  • Pairs of the Hitachi Class 801 trains have the ability to split and join en route, during a station stop extended by a few minutes.
  • Platforms are long enough to handle splitting and joining at Doncaster, Leeds and York.
  • Currently, three services to and from London go past Leeds; Bradford Forster Square, Harrogate and Skipton. All these services reverse in Leeds station, when they pass through.
  • The reversing in Leeds station takes about 8-9 minutes.
  • The track between Leeds and Bradford Forster Square is electrified.
  • Leeds and Harrogate is not electrified and is 19.3 miles.
  • The track between Leeds and Skipton is electrified.
  • Bradford Forster Square has a service of two tpd.
  • Harrogate has a service of one tp2h.
  • Skipton has a service of one  tpd.

In the Wikipedia entry for LNER, this is said.

From December 2019, LNER introduced a Harrogate to London service six times a day. LNER expected to introduce two-hourly services to Bradford and a daily service to Huddersfield by May 2020 when more Azuma trains had been introduced, however the latter has not yet been introduced.

Note.

  1. The Huddersfield service would have to reverse in Leeds station, like those to Bradford Forster Square, Harrogate and Skipton.
  2. Leeds and Huddersfield is not electrified and is 17.1 miles.
  3. Leeds and Huddersfield is being electrified.

Could LNER’s plan be to give Bradford Forster Square, Harrogate, Huddersfield and Skipton stations a two-hourly service , as the Wikipedia extract indicated, they intend to do for Bradford?

  • All trains enter and leave Leeds to and from the West.
  • Pairs of five-car trains would split and join at Leeds.
  • Bradford Forster Square and Skipton services would be served by electric trains.
  • Harrogate and Huddersfield services would be served by bi-mode or battery-electric trains.
  • Horsforth, Keighley and Shipley could also get a one tp2h service to London.

It looks like services via Leeds could be much improved.

In a two-hour period the Leeds area will have the following trains to and from London Kings Cross.

  • Two trains between London and Leeds via Peterborough, Doncaster and Wakefield Westgate
  • One train between London and Bradford Forster Square via Stevenage, Grantham, Retford (Bradford-bound only), Doncaster, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds and Shipley.
  • One train between London and Harrogate via Stevenage, Grantham, Doncaster, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds and Horsforth
  • One train between London and Huddersfield via Stevenage, Grantham, Doncaster, Wakefield Westgate and Leeds
  • One train between London and Skipton via Peterborough, Newark Northgate, Doncaster, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, Shipley (London-bound only) and Keighley.

Note.

  1. Stops between London and Leeds would be adjusted to satisfy passenger numbers.
  2. Currently, there are a total of four trains in a two hour period.
  3. Six trains will be fitted in by having two London and Leeds trains and two pairs of five-car trains, that joined and split at Leeds.

There is still only four train paths needed in a two hour period between London and Leeds.

Digital Signalling Between London And Doncaster

The East Coast Digital Programme has its own web site, which gives this introduction to the programme.

The East Coast Digital Programme is delivering the next generation of train travel – creating a better performing East Coast Main Line for passengers and everyone else who uses and depends on it.

As part of the programme, traditional lineside signals will be removed and replaced with state-of the art digital signalling to improve the reliability of the train service.

The new technology continuously communicates with each train, providing signalling information directly to a computer screen in the driver’s cab. It boosts reliability, reduces carbon emissions and provides a more punctual service for customers.

In the first stage, digital signalling will be introduced on the Northern City Line, between Finsbury Park and Moorgate. It will then be progressively rolled out on the southern section of the East Coast Main Line (between London King’s Cross and the Stoke Tunnels, near Grantham).

It is expected that the first trains to operate on the East Coast Main Line using digital signalling technology will run in 2025, with all improvements expected to be completed by the end of the decade.

As a result of this programme, the East Coast Main Line will be GB’s first intercity mainline to be upgraded to digital. It lays the foundation for further improvements across the network, creating a more efficient railway fit for the future.

There is also a video.

Benefits of digital signalling will include.

  • 140 mph running instead of 125 mph.
  • An increase in the number of train paths.
  • Trains will be able to be run closer together.

As a Graduate Control Engineer, I also believe that digital signalling will enable better control of trains through bottlenecks.

A computer solution would surely be more affordable than some massive civil engineering.

What Will Be The Fastest Times Possible Between London King’s Cross And Leeds?

I put my thoughts in What Will Be The Fastest Times Possible Between London King’s Cross And Leeds?.

Conclusion

The original High Speed Two specification gave a time of one hour and twenty-one minutes between Euston and Leeds.

I suspect that time will be approached before 2040.

September 15, 2023 - Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , ,

2 Comments »

  1. LNER should be allowed to buy another 10 x 5 cars so they can step up the frequency on the ECML branches. It would also give Hitachi some more work as HS2 main build is years off. In my day would have got a good price for follow on order but current procurement rules dont allow this so we have the nonsense that completely different supplier gets selected so interworking becomes impossible.

    Comment by Nicholas Lewis | September 15, 2023 | Reply

    • If LNER are going to join and split to maximise capacity between the Leeds area and London, then LNER will need some more Azumas.

      I do feel though, that a small build of HS2 Classic Compatible Trains would be a good idea. It certainly was with the Deltic.

      They could be thoroughly tested for compatibility and problems between London and Leeds running the main hourly service.

      I suspect with clever allocation of the stops South of Doncaster, some Leeds and London services could be made non-stop and I estimate these could have a time comparable with the times HS2 originally proposed of about eighty minutes.

      I have high hopes that the HS2 Classic Compatible Trains will set a new standard for passengers and as they are being designed to run at 140 mph between Crewe and Glasgow and York and Edinburgh, then it might be a good idea to run some between Euston and Glasgow and Kings Cross and Edinburgh before Phase 2 of HS2 is built. Imagine what O’Leary would say, when there were trains going North in three-and-a-half hours.

      But the big thing is that the British public would see an earlier taste of the future.

      Comment by AnonW | September 15, 2023 | Reply


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