All Change As First Class Ditched By New Intercity Rail Service
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on The Times.
These are the first two paragraphs.
Rail bosses signalled the end of the first-class carriage today with plans for a new all-standard intercity train service between London and Edinburgh.
The new budget service will operate on the east coast mainline from October 25, with one-way fares starting from £14.90. In all, 60 per cent of single tickets will be below £30.
I find it interesting that The Times is making the lack of First Class, the most important point in the story.
In Thoughts On Seating In East Coast Trains’ New Class 803 trains, I looked at what the seats could be like and decided they could be generous with lots of tables given the number of seats and the size of the train.
The Times article confirms my analysis.
Having travelled to Liverpool a couple of years ago in Standard Class with two senior guys from Legal and General, I suspect that many business travellers who want to read and chat could turn to East Coast Trains from the airlines.
The article does give some previously-unknown information.
The Service Will Be Called Lumo
The name is unusual, but it is short, memorable and lumo.co.uk was available and is now up and under development as the East Coast Trains web site.
Lumo has also been used for an energy provider, which has now been merged into OVO Energy and is also a video game.
The Service Starts On October 25th
The times are still as I said in Thoughts On Seating In East Coast Trains’ New Class 803 trains, with London and Edinburgh services as follows.
King’s Cross and Edinburgh
- 05:45 – Arrives 10:10 – 4 hours 25 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 10:45 – Arrives 15:17 – 4 hours 32 minutes
- 12:18 – Arrives 16:41 – 4 hours 23 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 14:36 – Arrives 19:15 – 4 hours 39 minutes
- 20:18 – Arrives 00:46 – 4 hours 28 minutes
Edinburgh and King’s Cross
- 06:14 – Arrives 10:51 – 4 hours 37 minutes
- 09:11 – Arrives 13:48 – 4 hours 37 minutes
- 11:14 – Arrives 15:46 – 4 hours 32 minutes
- 16:12 – Arrives 20:47 – 4 hours 35 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 19:58 – Arrives 01:05 – 5 hours 7 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
Note.
- Times appear to be in-line with those of LNER.
- East Coast Trains’ objective of arriving by 10:00 is not met.
- Paths exist for East Coast Trains from the 7th June.
I got these times from Real Time Trains.
The Lumo Web Site
I have also tried to book a ticket on their web site.
They accept Railcards and I was able to get a one-way ticket for £13.30. But as the site doesn’t appear to be complete, I didn’t buy the ticket.
But if you can go between London and Edinburgh for £13.30, that is certainly good value.
The First Group Press Release
This Press Release from First Group gives more details and was the source of The Times article.
New Rail Service From Newcastle To Edinburgh To Stop At These Northumberland Stations
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the Chronicle Live.
Details of the service are as follows.
- It will be run by TransPennine Express.
- It starts in December 2021.
- It will run five times per day (tpd)
- It will call at Cramlington, Morpeth, Widdrington, Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Reston and Dunbar.
It is planned to run at least until May 2023.
These are my thoughts.
What Trains Will TransPennine Express Use?
The service will probably need a single train, if it was run by a dedicated fleet of trains, that just shuttled between Edinburgh and Newcastle. TransPennine could use either an electric Class 802 train or a diesel Class 185 train.
The diesel train might not be a good idea for operational reasons as TransPennine’s current services to Newcastle and Edinburgh use Class 802 trains.
But this service wouldn’t need a Class 802 train, as the route is fully electrified, so TransPennine might use a Class 800 train, if one were available from another company in the First Group.
TransPennine could also extend selected Manchester Airport and Newcastle services to Edinburgh, which might be the most efficient ways of using both trains and platforms in Newcastle.
This would give those using the intermediate stations between Edinburgh and Newcastle a service to and from Manchester Airport and the intervening stations, with a change at Newcastle, which would involve staying on the same train.
I’d organise the service as five tpd between Manchester Airport and Edinburgh with calls at Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Leeds, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham, Chester-le-Street, Newcastle, Cramlington, Morpeth, Widdrington, Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Reston and Dunbar.
The big advantage of this, is that TransPennine could use the existing Class 802 trains, although they may need one more.
Reston Station
It looks like it will be a much needed service, that will get the new Reston station up and running.
I suspect that, passenger numbers at Reston station will determine the calling pattern after May 2023.
Will Other Services Continue?
TransPennine Express only has one service that stops between Newcastle and Edinburgh and that is the hourly service between Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh stations and that only stops at Morpeth.
I doubt this service will be changed, although after May 2023, it may make some extra stops depending on passenger numbers on the new service.
It should be noted that CrossCountry and LNER call irregularly at Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed and Dunbar.
As LNER are in rather a mess over their new timetable, I suspect that after May 2023, there could be a bit of a sort out of services.
How Will The New Service Fit With The Reopened Northumberland Line?
Initially the Northumberland Line will run as far as Ashington and won’t open until 2023 at the earliest.
But plans exist to extend the Northumberland Line to Morpeth.
The new service would fit well with an extended Northumberland Line service.
How Will The New Service Fit With East Coast Trains New London And Edinburgh Service?
East Coast Trains will be running a new Open Access service between London and Edinburgh from this autumn.
- It will have a frequency of 5 tpd.
- It will stop at Newcastle, Morpeth and Stevenage.
- It will offer one way fares of £25.
East Coast Trains are another First Group company.
As both services are five tpd in both directions, will the two services co-ordinate stops, so that passengers between say London and Reston can take advantage?
Going North, the stopping train could follow the East Coast Trains express and going South the stopping train would be a few minutes in front of the express.
This would also help with maximising capacity between Edinburgh and Newcastle on the busy East Coast Main Line.
Conclusion
This new stopping service between Edinburgh and Newcastle looks to be a simple solution to improve passenger services for intermediate stations between the two important cities.
Should London Euston’s High Speed Two Station Have Ten Or Eleven Platforms?
This article on Ian Visits is entitled Call For A Rethink Of HS2’s Euston Station Plans.
These two paragraphs describe the current plan for Euston station.
The current plans for the HS2 station at Euston will see it delivered in two phases, with six platforms opened first to carry HS2 trains on the first stage of the railway up to the West Midlands. The second phase of the Euston station would open later, with an additional 5 platforms to manage demand when HS2 is extended to Crewe, Manchester and Leeds.
Phase one was scheduled for completion in 2026, and phase two in 2033.
This paragraph describes the latest idea from the Department for Transport.
However, the Oakervee review from last year called for a redesign of the station scaling back the station and increasing the amount of oversite development to fund it. Earlier this year it was revealed that the Department for Transport has instructed HS2 to refine the development to build it in one phase, but with just 10 platforms instead of 11 platforms.
There are now two camps arguing as to whether the station should be built with ten or eleven platforms.
I used to write project management software for four decades.
I have seen and heard of many arguments like these where money, time and resources push the design of a project one way or another.
My feeling is that Oakervee is right to recommend increasing the amount of oversite development to fund the station, as there are a lot of knockers of High Speed Two, who object to the amount of money being spent.
But this might mean that the station should be built in one phase, so that the oversite development can proceed at pace on the whole site, rather than just half at a time. I wasn’t involved in the planning of Canary Wharf, but it did seem to go up faster than other developments. And it was a large site!
So perhaps building the station in one phase will get it finished earlier in a better financial state.
But the downside of that, is the station will have ten platforms instead of eleven. But it will have ten platforms from the day it opens!
I would object to the reduction in the number of platforms, if it made High Speed Two more difficult to operate.But I do tend to believe those who say that High Speed Two can manage with ten platforms, as signalling, train design and operation is improving fast.
As an example, I think the next generation of high speed trains will be able to be turned faster in a terminal station.
The test of this statement will come in a few months, when I take a ride to Edinburgh on the new East Coast Trains service, which seems to be proposing to run to a tight timetable. This says to me, that they have found ways of running more efficiently!
Conclusion
I will let others choose the number of platforms at Euston, but I reserve the right to criticise their decision.
Although, I do believe that it could be better to build the station in one phase to maximise the oversite development and optimise the cash flow to pay for the project, both during the building and in the operation.
I would also hope to see some radical ideas for the uses of the oversite development. But I suspect, it will be more of the same.
A Day Trip On East Coast Trains
Over the years, I’ve done plenty of day trips to Scotland.
In the days of Artemis, I would regularly go North to sort out a problem and since I’ve retired, I’ve gone North for various reasons.
Usually, now I take the sleeper and then come back on the last train. After all, if I fall asleep travelling to King’s Cross, I would hope I get chucked out by staff and can take a ten-minute taxi home.
But in a few weeks, there will be another practical way.
- Take the 05:45 from King’s Cross and arrive in Edinburgh at 10:10.
- The last train home leaves Edinburgh at 19:58 and arrives in London at 01:05 on the next day.
And all for a total fare of £50 courtesy of East Coast Trains.
There will also be corresponding trains that run in the opposite direction.
- Take the 06:14 from Edinburgh and arrive in King’s Cross at 10:51.
- The last train North leaves King’s Cross at 20:18 and arrives in Edinburgh at 00:46 on the next day.
Combining one of East Coast Train’s services with a sleeper must surely give some interesting possibilities.
Catching The Blue Train
I’m off this morning to try to catch one of East Coast Trains‘ Class 803 trains, as it comes South through Oakleigh Park station around 13:30 today.
I managed to get these pictures.
Note.
- I’m afraid the train caught me a bit by surprise.
- The train is currently under test, prior to starting services in October this year.
It must be nearly 65 years since I first watched the trains at Oakleigh Park station.
Should All High Speed Long Distance Services To Newcastle Extend To Edinburgh?
Look at this Google Map of Newcastle station.
Note.
- It is built on a curve.
- It is on a cramped site.
- Platforms are numbered from 1 at the top to 8 at the bottom.
- Platform 2 seems to be used for all express services going North.
- Platforms 3 and 4 seem to be used for all express services going South.
- Not all platforms would appear to be long enough for nine-car Class 80x trains.
I am certain, that any nation with a sophisticated railway system wouldn’t build a station on a curve with no avoiding lines like Newcastle these days.
Network Rail have a plan to sort out Darlington station and I’m sure they’d like to sort out Newcastle as well!
Current Long Distance Trains Through And To Newcastle
These include.
- CrossCountry – Plymouth and Edinburgh or Glasgow via Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed and Dunbar.
- CrossCountry – Southampton Central or Reading and Newcastle.
- LNER – King’s Cross and Edinburgh via Berwick-upon-Tweed
- LNER – King’s Cross and Edinburgh via Alnmouth
- TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh via Morpeth
- TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Newcastle.
Note.
- All have a frequency of one train per hour (tph)
- All trains call at Newcastle.
- Two tph terminate at Newcastle and four tph terminate at Edinburgh or beyond.
There is also a new and Edinburgh service from East Coast Trains, that will start this year.
- It will run five trains per day (tpd).
- It will call at Newcastle.
- It will stop at Morpeth between Newcastle and Edinburgh.
There will also be High Speed Two services to Newcastle in a few years.
- There will be two tph between Euston and Newcastle
- There will be one tph between Birmingham Curzon Street and Newcastle.
Note.
- All services will be run by 200 metre long High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- There is no High Speed Two service to Newcastle, that calls at Leeds.
- Only one High Speed Two service to Newcastle calls at East Midlands Hub.
I suspect High Speed Two services need a dedicated platform at Newcastle, especially, if another High Speed Two service were to be added.
Extra Paths For LNER
In the December 2020 Edition of Modern Railways, there is an article, which is entitled LNER Seeks 10 More Bi-Modes.
This is the last paragraph.
Infrastructure upgrades are due to prompt a timetable recast in May 2022 (delayed from December 2021), from which point LNER will operate 6.5 trains per hour out of King’s Cross, compared to five today. As an interim measure LNER is retaining seven rakes of Mk. 4 coaches hauled by 12 Class 91 locomotives to supplement the Azuma fleet and support its timetable ambitions until new trains are delivered.
There would certainly appear to be a path available if LNER wanted to increase the frequency of trains between King’s Cross and Edinburgh from the current two trains per hour (tph) to three.
I laid out how I would use this third path to Edinburgh in A New Elizabethan.
The Possible Long Distance Trains Through And To Newcastle
These trains can be summed up as follows.
- 1 tph – CrossCountry – Plymouth and Edinburgh or Glasgow via Alnmouth, Berwick-upon-Tweed and Dunbar.
- 1 tph – CrossCountry – Southampton Central or Reading and Newcastle.
- 1 tph – LNER – King’s Cross and Edinburgh via Berwick-upon-Tweed
- 1 tph – LNER – King’s Cross and Edinburgh via Alnmouth
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh via Morpeth
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Newcastle.
- 5 tpd – East Coast Trains – King’s Cross and Edinburgh via Morpeth
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – Euston and Newcastle
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Newcastle
- 1 tph – LNER – King’s Cross and Edinburgh – Extra service
This is ten tph and the five tpd of East Coast Trains.
Capacity Between Newcastle And Edinburgh
I wonder what capacity and linespeed would be possible on the East Coast Main Line between Newcastle and Edinburgh.
There are a few freight trains and some suburban electrics at the Northern end, but I suspect that the route could handle ten tph with some upgrades.
Edinburgh As A Terminal
Consider.
- Not all trains terminate at Edinburgh, but several tpd go through to places like Aberdeen, Glasgow, Inverness and Stirling.
- Edinburgh has several shorter East-facing bay platforms, that can take five-car Class 802 trains.
- Edinburgh has undergone a lot of reconstruction in recent years, so that it can turn more trains.
I very much feel that Edinburgh could handle, at least ten tph from the South.
Conclusion
I think it would be possible to extend all trains to Newcastle to at least Edinburgh.
Would it increase passenger capacity between the two capitals?
It would certainly avoid the difficult and expensive rebuilding at Newcastle station.
Thoughts On Seating In East Coast Trains’ New Class 803 trains
This page on RailAdvent contains this YouTube video of one of East Coast Trains’ New Class 803 trains under test.
On this page on the First Group web site, they give some details of the service.
- Five trains per day, seven days per week in both directions.
- One class of travel
- Offer tickets at an average price of less than £25.
- At seat catering on every train.
- Introduce an additional 1.5 million seats on the route every year.
They also expect 80 % of passengers to be new to rail.
The internet doesn’t give the number of seats on the train, so I will estimate a number.
The number of trains per year will be at least 365 * 2 * 5, which is an easy 3650 trains.
Dividing this into 1.5 million gives 410.9 seats per train. I’ll call that 411.
After I made that estimate, I found this page on the Beacon Rail Leasing web site.
It gives this information.
- Power – 4.5 MW
- Speed – 125 mph
- Passenger Capacity – 400
- Weight – 228.5 tonnes
Using the figure of 400 passengers and 3650 trains per year, that gives a total number of 1,460,000 passengers per year, which is probably within the margin of error for the arithmetic of marketing experts.
If you watch the video, the following can be ascertained.
- The two driver cars have six large windows each.
- The three centre cars have nine large windows each.
- It looks like the seating in the train is three on one side and two on the other.
This picture shows the Standard Class seating bay layout on a Great Western Railway Class 802 train.
Note.
- The seats are arranged either side of the window.
- There are lots of tables.
- If the blind was up, passengers will get a good view.
If as I surmised from the video, seating is two+three and there are 39 bays, that means that the train has a base seating capacity of 390 seats.
That leaves ten seats to find places for, or just two per car.
With two+two seating, there would be 312 seats in the bays under windows, so there would be a need to fit in another 86 seats.
It appears to me that to meet their objective of 1.5 million additional seats that a two+three layout is needed.
But it could be that most passengers will get a proper table and possibly reasonable leg room. Try getting that on a budget airline!
A Few Questions
These are a few questions.
When Will The Service Start?
Your guess is as good as mine, but First Group are saying Autumn 2021.
Is The Service Geared For Group Or Family Travel?
Each train has thirty-nine groups of six seats and the same number of groups of four seats.
If say it was granny’s birthday in Edinburgh or a group of six friends were going to Scotland-England at Murrayfield, the layout would accommodate groups and families well.
They certainly need a good seat allocation algorithm.
Will I Be Able To Use My Railcard?
I would suspect not!
But then it would only save £8.33!
What About Delay Repay?
This will be automatic! I can’t ever be bothered to claim otherwise!
Will There Be Disabled Toilets?
It’s the law! But I have seen some much smaller ones that are well-designed and meet all aspects of the law in some new trains, so I would expect to find innovative designs.
Will There Be Single Seats?
I can sleep anywhere and regularly find myself returning to London curled in the corner of my seat fast asleep.
A single seat in the corner of the carriage might be ideal for some passengers.
Will Everybody Get A Table?
If I’m right about each seating bay having a table, then it would look like around ninety-seven percent of passengers would get a proper table. Not big enough for a copy of the Daily Telegraph, but they should have enough space for a laptop and/or a few beers.
What Food And Drink Will Be Offered?
I suspect, it will mainly be drinks and snacks like crisps or nutrition bars, which can be easily served from a trolley.
It should be noted that the three major stations on the route King’s Cross, Newcastle and Edinburgh all have a good selection of places to buy a carry-on!
But unlike at an airport, I suspect passengers won’t turn up two or three hours before departure, so will be unlikely to eat before departure.
I do think, that we could see improvements in the food offerings for taking on the train at Stevenage and Morpeth.
East Coast Trains may also contribute to the development of carry-on shops at some stations.
Will The Trains Accept Bicycles?
This is a tricky one and personally I feel that offering a decent bike hire service could be better value all round.
Using The Fleet Of Five Trains
Wikipedia and other sources indicate that the fleet is just five trains.
We know these facts or proposals.
- King’s Cross and Edinburgh are 393.15 miles apart.
- LNER run trains between King’s Cross and Edinburgh in four hours and twenty minutes (4 stops) and four hours and forty minutes (9 stops)
- The record time between King’s Cross and Edinburgh was set in 1991 by a shortened all-electric InterCity 225 train at three hours twenty-nine minutes and thirty seconds, which represented an average speed of 112.5 mph.
- Trains start leaving King’s Cross and Edinburgh about 05:45.
- The Werrington Dive-Under will, be completed in 2021.
- The King’s Cross Remodelling should be completed this year.
- Full digital in-cab signalling is being installed between King’s Cross and Doncaster. This will allow 140 mph running and as a Control Engineer, I believe it could ease the bottlenecks at Newark and over the Digswell Viaduct.
- East Coast Trains’ Class 803 trains appear to have been designed for sparkling acceleration.
- East Coast Trains will only make three stops.
- East Coast Trains intend to compete with the budget airlines.
- East Coast Trains intend their first train to arrive in London by 10:00. Does that mean Edinburgh as well?
I have just checked on Real Time Trains and this East Coast Trains timetable can be found.
King’s Cross and Edinburgh
- 05:45 – Arrives 10:10 – 4 hours 25 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 10:45 – Arrives 15:17 – 4 hours 32 minutes
- 12:18 – Arrives 16:41 – 4 hours 23 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 14:36 – Arrives 19:15 – 4 hours 39 minutes
- 20:18 – Arrives 00:46 – 4 hours 28 minutes
Edinburgh and King’s Cross
- 06:14 – Arrives 10:51 – 4 hours 37 minutes
- 09:11 – Arrives 13:48 – 4 hours 37 minutes
- 11:14 – Arrives 15:46 – 4 hours 32 minutes
- 16:12 – Arrives 20:47 – 4 hours 35 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
- 19:58 – Arrives 01:05 – 5 hours 7 minutes – Stops at Stevenage
Note.
- Times appear to be in-line with those of LNER.
- East Coast Trains’ objective of arriving by 10:00 is not met.
- Paths exist for East Coast Trains from the 7th June.
I believe this timetable is based on what is possible today without the improvements at King’s Cross and Werrington, and the digital signalling.
What Could Be Possible?
Consider.
- The improvements that are underway will help to reduce journey times.
- I also believe that by being clever, East Coast Trains could reduce turn-round times at King’s Cross and Edinburgh.
I think it is likely, that East Coast Trains could probably run between King’s Cross and Edinburgh in a time of around four hours.
I can also see a turn-round time of five minutes, if East Coast Trains use all their First Group experience.
Could this mean, a train starting from King’s Cross doing the following trips in a day?
- 05:50 – King’s Cross to Edinburgh – Arrives 09:50
- 09:55 – Edinburgh to King’s Cross – Arrives 13:55
- 14:00 – King’s Cross to Edinburgh – Arrives 18:00
- 18:05 – Edinburgh to King’s Cross – Arrives 22:05
- 22:10 – King’s Cross to Edinburgh – Arrives 02:10
Note.
- A second train would mirror this time-table starting in Edinburgh.
- Every minute saved on each journey between King’s Cross and Edinburgh will bring the final arrival forward.
- There is tremendous potential to speed up services.
This time-table would be straight out of Michael O’Leary’s notebook about making assets sweat.
Conclusion
I think that East Coast Trains have done a Ryanair and designed the train to accommodate the maximum number of passengers. But the quoted £25 fare does appear to be good value.
I am certain that two+three seating will be used.
Thoughts On Faster Trains On Thameslink
The Class 700 trains used by Thameslink only have an operating speed of 100 mph.
I do wonder, if that is a fast enough operating speed for all Thameslink routes.
Sharing The Midland Main Line With 125 mph Trains
A couple of years ago, I travelled back into St. Pancras with a group of East Midlands drivers in a Class 222 train.
They told me several things about the route including that the bridge at the South of Leicester station would be difficult to electrify, as it was low and the track couldn’t be lowered as one of Leicester’s main sewers was under the tracks at the bridge. Perhaps, this is one place, where discontinuous electrification could be used on the Midland Main Line.
They also told me, that sometimes the Thameslink trains were a nuisance, as because of their 100 mph operating speed, the 125 mph Class 222 trains had to slow to 100 mph.
Upgrading Of The Midland Main Line South Of Bedford
The electrification of the Midland Main Line South of Bedford is being updated, so that it is suitable for 125 mph running.
An Analysis Of Services On The Midland Main Line South Of Bedford
The current Class 222 trains are capable of 125 mph and will be replaced by Class 810 trains capable of the same speed on both diesel and electricity.
Currently, a Class 222 train is capable of doing the following on a typical non-stop run between St. Pancras and Leicester.
- Covering the 30 miles between St. Albans and Bedford in 17 minutes at an average speed of 106 mph.
- Covering the 50.3 miles between Bedford and Leicester in 30 minutes at an average speed of 100.6 mph.
- Maintaining 125 mph for long stretches of the route, once the trains is North of London commuter traffic at St. Albans
I can estimate the timings on the 79.2 miles between Leicester and St. Albans, by assuming the train runs at a constant speed.
- 100 mph – 47.5 minutes
- 110 mph – 43.2 minutes
- 125 mph – 38 minutes
- 140 mph – 34 minutes
Note.
- I have done the calculation for 140 mph, as that is the maximum operating speed of the Class 810 train with full in-cab digital signalling.
- Trains have been running at 125 mph for a couple of decades on the Midland Main Line.
- To get a St. Pancras and Leicester time add another 14 minutes, which is the current time between St. Pancras and St. Albans of a Class 222 train.
- Some Off Peak trains are timed at 62-63 minutes between St. Pancras and Leicester.
- A time of under an hour between St. Pancras and Leicester might be possible and the Marketing Department would like it.
- As Thameslink trains between Bedford and St. Albans stop regularly, they are on the slow lines of the four-track railway, to the North of St. Albans.
- South of St. Albans, Thameslink trains often run on the fast lines.
I can expect that East Midlands Railway will want to be running their new Class 810 trains as far as far South as they can at 125 mph, to speed up their services. When the signalling allows it, they’ll want to run at 140 mph.
So they won’t want to see Thameslink’s slow trains on the fast lines.
- But if you look at the Thameslink trains that do run on the fast lines between St. Albans and St. Pancras, they appear to be the four trains per hour (tph) that run to and from Bedford.
- Of these trains, two tph terminate at Brighton and two tph terminate at Gatwick Airport.
- The average speed of a Class 222 train between St. Albans and St. Pancras assuming 14 minutes for the 19.7 miles is 84.4 mph.
So it looks to me that a 100 mph Thameslink train could be able to get away without slowing the East Midland Railway expresses.
But then that is not surprising, as for many years, the Class 222 trains worked happily with 100 mph Class 319 trains.
Is There Scope For Extra And Faster Services Into St. Pancras?
I have only done a simple calculation, but I do wonder if there is scope for the following.
- Increasing the frequency of trains for both Thameslink and East Midlands Railway.
- Saving a few minutes on East Midlands Railway services.
Consider.
- The new Class 810 electric trains will probably have better acceleration and deceleration than the current Class 222 diesel trains, when working using electric power.
- East Midlands Railway is introducing Class 360 trains that were built as 100 mph trains by Siemens, who are now upgrading them to 110 mph trains.
- Can Siemens do the same for the Class 700 trains and create a sub-fleet capable of 110 mph running?
- All trains will be running under full in-cab digital signalling with a large degree of automatic train control.
I feel that if the Class 700 trains had the extra speed, they would make the planning of services South of St. Albans easier and allow the Class 810 trains to both run faster and provide more services.
Sharing The East Coast Main Line With 125 mph Trains
The following Thameslink services run up the East Coast Main Line past Stevenage.
- Cambridge And Brighton – Two tph – Stops at Royston, Ashwell and Morden (1 tph), Baldock, Letchworth Garden City, Hitchin, Stevenage, Finsbury Park, London St Pancras International, Farringdon, City Thameslink, London Blackfriars, London Bridge, East Croydon, Gatwick Airport, Three Bridges, Balcombe, Haywards Heath and Burgess Hill
- Cambridge and Kings Cross – Two tph – Stops at Foxton, Shepreth, Meldreth, Royston, Ashwell and Morden, Baldock, Letchworth Garden City, Hitchin, Stevenage, Knebworth, Welwyn North, Welwyn Garden City, Hatfield, Potters Bar and Finsbury Park
- Peterborough and Horsham – Two tph – Stops at Huntingdon, St Neots, Sandy, Biggleswade, Arlesey, Hitchin, Stevenage, Finsbury Park, London St Pancras International, Farringdon, City Thameslink, London Blackfriars, London Bridge, East Croydon, Coulsdon South, Merstham, Redhill, Horley, Gatwick Airport, Three Bridges, Crawley, Ifield, Faygate (limited) and Littlehaven
Note.
- Services are generally run by Class 700 trains, although lately the Kings Cross service seems to use Class 387 trains, which have a maximum speed of 110 mph and a more comfortable interior with tables.
- It is intended that the Cambridge and Kings Cross service will be extended to Maidstone East by 2021.
In addition there are two Cambridge Express and Fen Line services.
- Kings Cross and Ely – One tph – Stops at Cambridge and Cambridge North.
- Kings Cross and King’s Lynn – One tph – Stops at Cambridge, Cambridge North, Waterbeach, Ely, Littleport, Downham Market and Watlington
Note.
- These services are generally run by Class 387 trains.
- Cambridge and King’s Cross is timetabled at around fifty minutes.
Adding all of this together means that slower services on the East Coast Main Line are comprised of the following in both directions.
- Three tph – 110 mph – Class 387 trains
- Four tph – 100 mph – Class 700 trains
These seven trains will have to be fitted in with the 125 mph trains running services on the East Coast Main Line, for LNER, Grand Central, Hull Trains and East Coast Trains.
There are also the following problems.
- All trains must navigate the double-track section of the East Coast Main Line over the Digswell Viaduct and through Welwyn North station.
- The King’s Cross and Cambridge service stops in Welwyn North station.
- Full in-cab digital signalling is being installed on the East Coast Main Line, which could increase the speed of the expresses through the double-track section.
Could the introduction of the Class 387 trains on the Cambridge and King’s Cross service have been made, as it easier to fit in all the services if this one is run by a 110 mph train?
However, the full in-cab digital signalling with a degree of automatic train control could be the solution to this bottleneck on the East Coast Main Line.
- Trains could be controlled automatically and with great precision between perhaps Hatfield and Stevenage.
- Some expresses might be slowed to create gaps for the Cambridge and Peterborough services.
- The Hertford Loop Line is also getting full in-cab digital signalling, so will some services be sent that way?
In Call For ETCS On King’s Lynn Route, I talked about a proposal to improve services on the Fen Line. This was my first three paragraphs.
The title of this post, is the same as that on an article in Edition 849 of Rail Magazine.
The article is based on this document on the Fen Line Users Aoociation web site, which is entitled Joint Response To Draft East Coast Main Line Route Study.
In addition to ETCS, which could improve capacity on the East Coast Main Line, they would also like to see journey time reductions using trains capable of running at 125 mph or faster on the King’s Lynn to Kings Cross route.
My scheduling experience tells me that a better solution will be found, if all resources are similar.
Hence the proposal to run 125 mph trains between King’s Cross and King’s Lynn and probably Ely as well, could be a very good and logical idea.
If the Class 700 trains were increased in speed to 110 mph, the trains through the double-track section of the East Coast Main Line would be.
- One tph – 110 mph – Class 387 trains
- Four tph – 110 mph – Class 700 trains
- Two tph – 125 mph – New trains
Note.
- This would probably be an easier mix of trains to digest with the high speed services, through the double-track section.
- I like the idea of extending the Ely service to Norwich to give Thetford, Attleborough and Wymondham an improved service to London, Cambridge and Norwich.
The new trains would probably be a version of Hitachi’s Regional Battery Train.
- It would need to be capable of 125 mph on the East Coast Main Line.
- If the Ely service were to be extended to Norwich, this section would be on battery power.
There are certainly a lot of possibilities.
But as with on the Midland Main Line, it looks like for efficient operation, the operating speed of the Class 700 trains on the route needs to be increased to at least 110 mph.
Could Faster Class 700 trains Improve Services To Brighton?
These are the Thameslink services that serve Bedford, Cambridge and Peterborough, that I believe could be run more efficiently with trains capable of at running at speeds of at least 110 mph.
- Bedford and Brighton – Two tph
- Bedford and Gatwick Airport – Two tph
- Cambridge and Brighton – Two tph
- Cambridge and Maidstone East – Two tph
- Peterborough and Horsham – Two tph
Note.
- I have assumed that the Cambridge and King’s Cross service has been extended to Maidstone East as planned.
- Eight tph serve Gatwick Airport.
- Four tph serve Brighton.
The Gatwick Express services have a frequency of two tph between London Victoria and Brighton calling at Gatwick Airport is already run by 110 mph Class 387 trains.
It would appear that if the Bedford, Cambridge and Peterborough were run by uprated 110 mph Class 700 trains, then this would mean that more 110 mph trains would be running to Gatwick and Brighton and this must surely improve the service to the South Coast.
But it’s not quite as simple as that, as the Cambridge and Maidstone East services will be run by eight-car trains and all the other services by twelve-car trains.
Conclusion
There would appear to be advantages in uprating some or possibly all of the Class 700 trains, so that they can run at 110 mph, as it will increase capacity on the Brighton Main Line, East Coast Main Line and Midland Main Line.
Northern Powerhouse Rail – Significant Upgrades Of The East Coast Main Line From Leeds To Newcastle (Via York And Darlington) And Restoration Of The Leamside Line
In this article on Transport for the North, which is entitled Northern Powerhouse Rail Progress As Recommendations Made To Government, one of the recommendations proposed for Northern Powerhouse Rail is significant upgrades to the East Coast Main Line and reopening of the Leamside Line.
Northern Powerhouse Rail’s Objective For The Leeds and Newcastle Route
Wikipedia, other sources and my calculations say this about the trains between Leeds and Newcastle.
- The distance between the two stations is 106 miles
- The current service takes around 85 minutes and has a frequency of three trains per hour (tph)
- This gives an average speed of 75 mph for the fastest journey.
- The proposed service with Northern Powerhouse Rail will take 58 minutes and have a frequency of four tph.
- This gives an average speed of 110 mph for the journey.
This last figure of 110 mph, indicates to me that a faster route will be needed.
These are example average speeds on the East Coast Main Line.
- London Kings Cross and Doncaster – 156 miles – 98 minutes – 95.5 mph
- London Kings Cross and Leeds – 186 miles – 133 minutes – 84 mph
- London Kings Cross and York – 188.5 miles – 140 minutes – 81 mph
- London Kings Cross and Hull – 205.3 miles – 176 minutes – 70 mph
- York and Newcastle – 80 miles – 66 minutes – 73 mph
I also predicted in Thoughts On Digital Signalling On The East Coast Main Line, that with full digital in-cab ERTMS signalling and other improvements, that both London Kings Cross and Leeds and York would be two-hour services, with Hull a two-and-a-half service.
- London Kings Cross and Leeds in two hours would be an average speed of 93 mph.
- London Kings Cross and York in two hours would be an average speed of 94.2 mph.
- London Kings Cross and Hull in two-and-a-half hours would be an average speed of 94.2 mph.
I am fairly certain, that to achieve the required 110 mph average between Leeds and Newcastle to meet Northern Powerhouse Rail’s objective of four tph in under an hour will need, at least the following.
- Full digital in-cab ERTMS signalling
- Completion of the electrification between Leeds and York.
- Ability to run at up to 140 mph in places.
- Significant track upgrades.
It could also eliminate diesel traction on passenger services on the route.
High Speed Two’s Objective For The York and Newcastle Route
At the present time, High Speed Two is not planning to run any direct trains between Leeds and Newcastle, so I’ll look at its proposed service between York and Newcastle instead.
- Current Service – 80 miles – 66 minutes – 73 mph
- High Speed Two – 80 miles – 52 minutes – 92 mph
Note.
- High Speed Two will be running three tph between York and Newcastle.
- Northern Powerhouse Rail have an objective of 58 minutes for Leeds and Newcastle.
High Speed Two and Northern Powerhouse Rail do not not have incompatible ambitions.
Current Direct Leeds And Newcastle Services
These are the current direct Leeds and Newcastle services.
- TransPennine Express – 1 tph – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh
- TransPennine Express – 1 tph – Manchester Airport and Newcastle.
- CrossCountry – 1 tph – Plymouth and Edinburgh
Timings appear to be between 81 and 91 minutes.
What Would A Leeds And Newcastle In Under An Hour Do For London Kings Cross And Edinburgh Timings?
This question has to be asked, as a 58 minute time between Leeds and Newcastle will mean that timings between York and Newcastle must reduce.
York And Newcastle at various average speeds give the following times.
- 73 mph (current average) – 66 minutes
- 80 mph – 60 minutes
- 90 mph – 53 minutes
- 92 mph – 52 minutes (High Speed Two promise)
- 100 mph – 48 minutes
- 110 mph – 44 minutes
If any speed over 90 mph can be averaged between York and Newcastle, this means that with a London and York time of under two hours the following times are possible.
- London Kings Cross and Newcastle in under three hours. – High Speed Two are promising two hours and seventeen minutes.
- London Kings Cross and Edinburgh in under four hours. – High Speed Two are promising three hours and forty minutes.
Consider.
- An InterCity 225 achieved a time of under three-and-a-half hours between London and Edinburgh. in 1991.
- That record journey was at an average speed of 112 mph.
- There must be opportunities for speed improvements North of Newcastle.
- Train and signalling technology is improving.
- High Speed Two is promising three hours and forty minutes between London and Edinburgh.
I can see a fascinating rivalry between trains on High Speed Two and the East Coast Main Line, developing, about who can be faster between London and Edinburgh.
Current Projects Between Leeds And Newcastle
These projects are in planning or under way on the section of the East Coast Main Line between Leeds and Newcastle.
Phase 2 Of The East Coast Main Line Power Supply Upgrade
Phase 1 between London and Doncaster should have been completed, if the covids allowed and now work can be concentrated on Phase 2 to the North of Doncaster.
This page on the Network Rail web site describes the project. These paragraphs are the introduction to Phase 2.
Phase 2 of the project will involve the installation of feeder and substations along the route, capacity upgrades, new 132kv connection at Hambleton junction and upgrades to existing power supply connections.
The second phase of the project is currently in design stages and dates for carrying out the work are still being finalised.
Phase 2 will be delivering upgraded power to the East Coast Mainline railway between Bawtry and Edinburgh.
This project may not improve speeds on the railway, but it will certainly improve reliability and reduce the use of diesel power.
I do wonder, that as the reliability of the East Coast Main Line increases, this will reduce the need for the electric Class 801 trains, to have diesel engines for when the power supply fails.
It is known, that the Class 803 trains, that are under construction for East Coast Trains, will have only a small battery for emergency use.
A sensible weight saving would surely improve the acceleration and deceleration of the trains.
York to Church Fenton Improvement Scheme
This page of the Network Rail web site, describes the project. These paragraphs introduce the project.
Our work between York and Church Fenton is in preparation for the Transpennine Upgrade, which will provide more capacity and faster journeys between Manchester Victoria and York, via Leeds and Huddersfield.
The five mile stretch between Church Fenton and Colton Junction – the major junction where trains from Leeds join the East Coast Main Line towards York – sees over 100 trains each day, with up to one freight or passenger train passing through every five minutes. This is one of the busiest stretches of railway in the North.
The work will include.
- Modernising the signalling.
- Replacing about five miles of track between Holgate (York) and Colton Junction.
- Completing the eleven miles of electrification between York and Church Fenton stations.
I estimate that when the project is completed, there will be only around thirteen miles of track without electrification between Church Fenton station and Neville Hill TMD in Leeds.
The route between Church Fenton and Garforth stations, is shown in this map clipped from High Speed Two.
Note.
- York is just off the North-East corner of the map.
- Garforth is in the South-West corner of the map.
- Shown in orange is the new route of High Speed Two from East of Leeds towards York.
- Shown in blue is existing tracks, that will be used to take High Speed Two Trains to York and further North.
- The rail line running North-South on the edge of the map is the Selby Diversion, which opened in 1983 and was built to avoid possible subsidence from the Selby coalfield.
- The pre-Selby Diversion route of the East Coast Main Line goes South from the join of the blue and orange sections of High Speed Two.
- At Church Fenton station, this route splits, with one route going West through Micklefield, East Garforth and Garforth stations to Neville Hill TMD and Leeds.
- The main road going North-South is the A1 (M).
It seems to me, that High Speed Two’s and Northern Powerhouse Rail’s plans in this area, are still being developed.
- There has been no decision on the electrification between Church Fenton and Neville Hill TMD.
- How do Northern Powerhouse Rail trains go between Leeds and Hull?
- How do Northern Powerhouse Rail trains go between Leeds and York?
- How do High Speed Two trains go between Leeds and York?
I suspect, when the full plans are published, it will answer a lot of questions.
Darlington Station Remodelling
A remodelling of Darlington station is under consideration.
I outlined this in £100m Station Revamp Could Double Local Train Services.
This was my conclusion in the related article.
I think that this will happen.
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- The Tees Valley Line trains will be greatly improved by this project.
- Trains will generally run at up to 140 mph on the East Coast Main Line, under full digital control, like a slower High Speed Two.
- There will be two high speed platforms to the East of the current station, where most if not all of the High Speed Two, LNER and other fast services will stop.
- There could be up to 15 tph on the high speed lines.
With full step-free access between the high speed and the local platforms in the current station, this will be a great improvement.
It will create a major interchange, where high speed trains from High Speed Two, LNER and Northern Powerhouse Rail will do the following.
- Approach at 140 mph or more.
- Perform a controlled stop in the station.
- Drop and pick-up passengers.
- Accelerate back up to linespeed.
The station stop will be highly-automated and monitored by the driver.
One of the objectives would be to save time for all fast trains.
Capacity And Other Problems Between Leeds And Newcastle Listed In Wikipedia
These problems are listed in a section called Capacity Problems in the Wikipedia entry for the East Coast Main Line.
The North Throat Of York Station Including Skelton Bridge Junction
I describe this problem and my solution in Improving The North Throat Of York Station Including Skelton Bridge Junction.
Use Of The Leamside Line
Wikipedia says this about capacity to the South of Newcastle.
South of Newcastle to Northallerton (which is also predominately double track), leading to proposals to reopen the Leamside line to passenger and freight traffic.
I could have included it in the previous section, but as it such a important topic, it probably deserves its own section.
Looking at maps, reopening is more than a a possibility. Especially, as reopening is proposed by Northern Powerhouse Rail and mentioned in the title of this post.
I discussed the Leamside Line in detail in Boris Johnson Backs Station Opening Which Could See Metro Link To County Durham, which I wrote in June this year.
These are some extra thoughts, that update the original post.
Ferryhill Station
I was prompted to write the related post, by something Boris Johnson said at PMQs and it was mainly about Ferryhill station.
In the latest copy of this document on the Government web site, which is entitled Restoring Your Railway: Successful Bids, a new station at Ferryhill has been successful. Another bid in the same area to restore rail services between Consett and Newcastle has also been successful.
This map shows the East Coast Main Line as it goes North South between Durham and Darlington.
Note.
- Ferryhill is in the South-West of the map opposite the sand-pits in the South-East
- The East Coast Main Line runs North-South between the village an d the sand-pits.
- Follow the railway North and you come to Tursdale, where there is a junction between the East Coast Main Line and the Leamside Line.
- The East Coast Main Line goes North-Westerly towards Durham and Newcastle.
- The Leamside Line goes North to Washington and Newcastle.
- There is also the Stillington Freight Line going South-Easterly to Sedgefield and Stockton from Ferryhill.
Could Ferryhill be a useful interchange to local services connecting to Newcastle, Sunderland and Washington in the North and Hartlepool, Middlesbrough and Stockton in the South?
The Leamside Line As An East Coast Main Line Diversion
I didn’t discuss using the line as a diversion for the East Coast Main Line in my original post, but if the infrastructure is to the required standard, I don’t see why it can’t take diverted traffic, even if it is also used for the Tyne and Wear Metro.
It should be remembered, that to create extra capacity on the East Coast Main Line between Peterborough and Doncaster, the route of the Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway, was upgraded. I first wrote about this line six years ago in Project Managers Having Fun In The East and the route seems to be working well. It is now being augmented by the addition of the £200 million Werrington Dive Under. See Werrington Dive-Under – 8th November 2018, for more details of this project, which will speed up all trains on the East Coast Main Line.
After the undoubted success of the upgrade of the Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway, surely the team responsible for it, should be given the task of devising a similar plan for the Leamside Line, to take pressure off the East Coast Main Line between Newcastle and Northallerton.
Sharing The Leamside Line
The Tyne and Wear Metro also has its eyes on the Leamside Line for an extension.
It should be noted that the Extension To Wearside, uses the Karlsruhe Model to allow the Metro trains to share with freight and other passenger trains.
The new Stadler trains will probably make this even easier, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reopened Leamside Line handling a varied assortment of trains of all types.
The Sunderland Example
Sunderland station is a station, which has both Metro and mainline services from the same platforms.
Could a station at Washington be built to similar principles, so that some long distance services to Newcastle used this station?
A Terminal Station On The Leamside Line
Newcastle station may be a Grade One Listed station, but it is built on a curve and would be a nightmare to expand with more platforms.
Sunderland station is already used as a terminal for London trains, so would it be sensible to provide a terminal at somewhere like Washington?
My Final Thought On The Leamside Line
Reopen it!
A Few Random Final Thoughts
This post has got me thinking.
Newcastle Station Capacity
I have seen reports over the years that Newcastle station, is lacking in capacity.
- There could be extra services, as High Speed Two is proposing two tph from London Euston stations and one tph from Birmingham Curzon Street station.
- There may be extra services because of Northern Powerhouse Rail, which has an objective of four tph from Leeds station.
- There may be extra services because of new services to Ashington and Blyth.
- There may be extra services because of new services to Consett.
Note.
- The first two services could use two hundred metre long trains.
- Some platforms can accept 234 metre long Class 800 trains.
- The last two services might use the Metro platforms.
As the station has twelve platforms, I feel with careful operation, that the station will have enough capacity.
This Google Map shows the station.
And this second Google Map shows the station, its position with relation to the Tyne and the lines rail routes to and from the station.
Note.
- Trains from the South arrive over the King Edward VII Bridge and enter Newcastle station from the West.
- Trains from England to Scotland go through the station from West to East and then go straight on and turn North for Berwick and Scotland.
- Next to the King Edward VII Bridge is the blue-coloured Queen Elizabeth II Bridge, which takes the Tyne and Wear Metro across the Tyne, where it uses two platforms underneath Newcastle station.
- The next bridge is the High Level Bridge, which connects the East end of the station to the rail network, South of the Tyne. It connects to the Durham Coast Line to Teeside and the Leamside Line.
History has delivered Newcastle a comprehensive track layout through and around Newcastle station.
- Services from the East can be run back-to-back with services from the West.
- The Metro and its two underground platforms removes a lot of traffic from the main station.
- There are seven through platforms, of which at least three are over two hundred metres long.
- There are four West-facing bay platforms and one facing East.
But most intriguingly, it looks like it will be possible for trains to loop through the station from the South, by perhaps arriving over the King Edward VII bridge and leaving over the High Level bridge. Or they could go the other way.
Could this be why reoopening the Leamside Line is important?
LNER’s Extra Paths
The sentence, from an article entitled LNER Seeks 10 More Bi-Modes, in the December 2020 Edition of Modern Railways indicates that more capacity will be available to LNER.
Infrastructure upgrades are due to prompt a timetable recast in May 2022 (delayed from December 2021) from which point LNER will operate 6.5 trains per hour, out of Kings Cross, compared to five today.
I suspect that LNER could use the half path to run a one train per two hour (tp2h) service to Hull.
- Currently, London Kings Cross and Hull takes a few minutes under three hours.
- Currently, Doncaster and Hull takes around 55 minutes.
- I have estimated that once full digital in-cab signalling is operational, that London Kings Cross and Hull could take a few minutes under two-and-a-half hours.
The full path to Hull could be shared with Hull Trains to provide an hourly service between London Kings Cross and Hull.
LNER could do something special with the full extra path.
Consider.
- Some train operating companies have said, that they’ll be looking to attract customers from the budget airlines.
- There could be a need for more capacity between London Kings Cross and all of Edinburgh, Leeds and Newcastle.
- Faster services would be attractive to passengers.
- York and Leeds will be fully electrified or trains could be fitted with batteries to bridge the thirteen mile gap in the electrification.
A limited-stop service between London Kings Cross and Edinburgh via Leeds could be an interesting addition.
- The train would only stop at Leeds and possibly Newcastle.
- One objective would be a time under three-and-a-half hours between London Kings Cross and Edinburgh.
- What time could be achieved between London Kings Cross and Leeds?
It would certainly give High Speed Two a run for its money!
A New Elizabethan
I can remember The Elizabethan, which was a steam-hauled non-stop express between London and Edinburgh between 1953 and 1961.
I have laid out my ideas for a modern express train of the same name in A New Elizabethan.
It could be an interesting concept, to increase capacity between London and Edinburgh.
As I indicated in the previous section, LNER certainly have a path, that could be used to their advantage.
High Speed Two
The East Coast Main Line and High Speed Two have a lot in common.
- The two routes will share tracks between a junction near Ulleskelf station and Newcastle station.
- High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains could be based on Hitachi AT-300 train technology.
- High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains would probably be able to run on the East Coast Main Line between London Kings Cross And Edinburgh.
- Trains from both routes will share platforms at York, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle stations.
- I would hope that the signalling systems on both routes are compatible.
From a project management point of view, this commonality means that in an ideal world the new route of both High Speed Two and Northern Powerhouse Rail, and the upgrades to the East Coast Main Line should be planned together.
I believe there are still details on the design of the joint route, that have not been disclosed, or perhaps not even decided.
- Will between Church Fenton station and Neville Hill depot be electrified?
- How will Northern Powerhouse Rail connect Leeds and Hull stations?
- How will Northern Powerhouse Rail connect Leeds and York stations?
- Will High Speed Two connect Leeds and York stations?
- What will be the operating speed of the joint section of the East Coast Main Line?
- What will be the capacity in trains per hour of the joint section of the East Coast Main Line?
- Will Newcastle station need an extra platform to handle three High Speed Two tph from London Euston
Two projects have been discussed in this post.
- The unlocking of the bottleneck at Skelton Bridge.
- The reopening of the Leamside Line.
I feel that these projects are important and will probably be needed for efficient operation of High Speed Two.
Other early projects could include.
- Upgrading and electrification of the chosen route between Leeds and Hull,
- Installation of the chosen system of in-cab ERTMS digital signalling on the route.
- Electrification between Church Fenton station and Neville Hill depot.
I would deliver these and other joint projects early, so that travellers see a positive benefit from High Speed Two before the main work has even started.
High Speed East Coast
I wonder what is the maximum speed of the Class 80x trains, that are the backbone of services on the East Coast Main Line.
Consider.
- It is known, that with in-cab digital ERTMS signalling, these trains will be capable of 140 mph, but could they go even faster.
- High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains will be capable of 225 mph.
- Will Hitachi’s offering for these trains, be based on the Class 80x trains?
I would think, that it is fairly likely, that the existing Class 80x trains could be updated to an operating speed in the range of 150-160 mph.
In Thoughts On Digital Signalling On The East Coast Main Line, I said this.
The combined affect of both track and signalling improvements is illustrated by this simple calculation.
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- As Dalton-on-Tees is North of Doncaster, the route between Woolmer Green and Doncaster should be possible to be run at 140 mph
- Woolmer Green and Doncaster stations are 132.1 miles apart.
- Non-stop York and London Kings Cross trains are currently timed at 70 minutes between Doncaster and Woolmer Green stations.
- This is an average speed of 113.2 mph.
If 140 mph could be maintained between Doncaster and Woolmer Green, the section of the journey would take 56.6 minutes, which is a saving of 13.4 minutes.
I can do this calculation for higher speeds.
- 150 mph would take 52.8 minutes
- 160 mph would take 49.5 minutes
- 170 mph would take 46.6 minutes
- 180 mph would take 44 minutes
- 200 mph would take 39.6 minutes
Note.
- Eurostar’s latest Class 374 trains are capable of operating at 200 mph.
- A Class 395 train, which is closely related to the Class 80x trains, has attained a record speed of 157 mph.
There may be worthwhile time savings to be made, on some of the straighter sections of the East Coast Main Line.
Other improvements will also be needed.
- A solution to the Newark crossing problem, which could be solved by the use of in-cab ERTMS digital signalling. See Could ERTMS And ETCS Solve The Newark Crossing Problem?
- Some extra four-tracking of the route.
- Upgrading of Cambridge and Kings Lynn services for faster running. See Call For ETCS On King’s Lynn Route.
Note, that I am assuming, that the Digswell Viaduct section would not be updated, as it would cause too much disruption.
I also believe that by using selective joining and splitting at Edinburgh, Leeds and perhaps Doncaster, Grantham, Newark or York, that a very comprehensive network of direct trains to and from London can be built from Grantham Northwards.
Beverley, Bradford, Cleethorpes, Glasgow, Grimsby, Harrogate, Huddersfield, Hull, Lincoln, Middlesbrough, Nottingham, Perth, Redcar, Sheffield, Skipton, Sunderland and Washington could all be served at an appropriate frequency.
- Some like Bradford, Glasgow, Harrogate, Hull, Lincoln and Middlesbrough would have several trains per day.
- Others might have a much more limited service.
What sort of timings will be possible.
- London Kings Cross and Doncaster could be around an hour.
- London Kings Cross and Leeds could be around one hour and thirty minutes, using the current Doncaster and Leeds time, as against the one hour and twenty-one minutes for High Speed Two.
- London Kings Cross and York could be around one hour and twenty-three minutes, using the current Doncaster and York time, as against the one hour and twenty-four minutes for High Speed Two.
- Timings between York and Newcastle would be the same fifty-two minutes as High Speed Two, as the track will be the limitation for both services.
- High Speed Two’s timing for York and Newcastle is given as fifty-two minutes, with York and Darlington as twenty-five minutes.
- London Kings Cross and Darlington could be around one hour and forty-nine minutes
- London Kings Cross and Newcastle could be around two hours and sixteen minutes.
- London Kings Cross and Edinburgh would be under three-and-a-half hours, as against the proposed three hours and forty-eight minutes for High Speed Two.
High Speed East Coast would be a serious and viable alternative to High Speed Two for the Eastern side of England and Scotland.
Conclusion
This is an important joint project for Northern Powerhouse Rail, High Speed Two and the East Coast Main Line.
Project Management Recommendations
This project divides neatly into several smaller projects..
- Upgrade the power supply on the East Coast Main Line.
- Finish the York to Church Fenton Improvement Scheme
- Remodel Darlington station.
- Install of in-cab ERTMS digital signalling.
- Complete the electrification between Neville Hill TMD and York.
- Solve the problem of Skelton Bridge and its complicated track layout.
- Reopen the Leamside Line.
Most of these projects are independent of each other and all would give early benefits to the East Coast Main Line.
When complete, we’ll see the following timing improvements.
- Leeds and Newcastle will drop from 85 minutes to 56 minutes, with an increase in frequency from three to four tph.
- York and Newcastle will drop from 57-66 minutes to 52 minutes.
- There could be ten minutes savings on Edinburgh services.
Passengers and operators would welcome this group of projects being started early.
High Speed Two And Scotland
In this post, I will only look at services and capacity.
I will leave the economics to others with the appropriate data.
Current Anglo-Scottish Services
Currently, these services run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central stations.
- 1 train per hour (tph) – Avanti West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Carlisle.
- 1 train per two hours (tp2h) – Avanti West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Milton Keynes Central, Coventry, Birmingham International, Birmingham New Street, Sandwell and Dudley, Wolverhampton, Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Edinburgh Waverley via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York and Newcastle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Glasgow Central via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley.
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via York, Darlington, Newcastle and Berwick-upon-Tweed
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via Peterborough, Newark North Gate, Doncaster, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Newton-le-Willows, Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham, Newcastle and Morpeth
- 1 tp2h – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh Waverley via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 3 trains per day (tpd) – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow Central via St. Helen’s Central, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
Note.
- I’ve not included service extensions to Aberdeen and Inverness.
- I’ve cut out a few smaller stations
- Some services call at both Edinburgh and Glasgow.
- Because of signalling and track improvements it is likely that London Kings Cross and Edinburgh timings will come down to four hours.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1 tph
- London and Edinburgh – 2 tph
- London and Glasgow – 1.5 tph
- Leeds and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Leeds and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
- Liverpool and Edinburgh – 1 tph
- Liverpool and Glasgow – 3 tpd
- Manchester and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Manchester and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
Note.
- I have ignored the five tpd London Kings Cross and Edinburgh service, that starts next year, which will be run by East Coast Trains.
- 0.5 tph is equivalent to one tp2h.
It looks a fairly well-balanced and comprehensive service.
High Speed Two Anglo-Scottish Services
According to a table in the June 2020 Edition of Modern Railways, these High Speed Two services will run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central.
- 1 tph – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tph – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tp2h – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket.
- 1 tp2h – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie and Motherwell.
Note.
- All trains will be High Speed Two’s 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains.
- The four one tph services will run as two pairs of trains and split and join at Carlisle.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1.5 tph
- London and Edinburgh – 2 tph
- London and Glasgow – 2 tph
Note.
- Passengers between Liverpool or Manchester and Scotland will have to change at Preston.
- There is no connection between the Eastern Leg of High Speed Two and Edinburgh.
- London and Edinburgh Waverley will take three hours and forty minutes, which saves twenty minutes on the likely four hours on the East Coast Main Line.
- London and Glasgow Central will take three hours and forty minutes, which saves fifty minutes on the current time.
High Speed Two certainly provides good services between London, Birmingham and Scotland, but it leaves out travelling between the cities of the North and North of the Border.
High Speed Two Classic-Conventional Trains
In Thoughts On Class 807 Trains And High Speed Two’s Classic-Compatible Trains, I discussed a design of Classic-Compatible High Speed Two train based on the recently-ordered Class 807 trains for Avanti West Coast.
Except for the required speeds, the specifications of the trains are similar and this was my conclusion.
I wouldn’t be surprised that Hitachi’s offering for more trains on the West Coast Main Line and the Classic-Compatible trains for High Speed Two are very similar to the Class 807 trains.
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- The Classic-Compatible trains for High Speed Two could be eight-car trains with twenty-five metre cars.
- The replacements for the eleven-car Class 390 trains could be nine-car trains with twenty-six metre cars.
Both would be based on the Class 807 train.
A common design would surely ease operation of the combined West Coast Partnership.
TransPennine Express Between Liverpool Lime Street And Edinburgh
Will this TransPennine Express service still be the primary connection between the North of England and Edinburgh?
- It has a frequency of one tph.
- It takes about four hours and fifty minutes.
- It connects Liverpool, Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle to the Scottish capital.
- According to Real Time Trains, it runs as far as York on diesel and then using the electrification.
Current plans envisage Northern Powerhouse Rail will create an electrified route across the Pennines.
This report on the Transport for the North web site, is entitled At A Glance – Northern Powerhouse Rail.
It gives these times and frequencies for the various legs of the route.
- Liverpool and Manchester via Manchester Airport – 26 minutes – 6 tph
- Manchester and Leeds – 25 minutes – 6 tph
- Leeds and Newcastle – 58 minutes – 4 tph
- Newcastle and Edinburgh – 90 minutes
This totals to three hours and nineteen minutes.
Note.
- The Newcastle and Edinburgh time is that currently achievable today by Class 801 trains.
- Liverpool and Manchester city centres have a six tph high speed service via Manchester Airport.
- Manchester and Edinburgh will be under three hours.
- Leeds and Edinburgh will be under two-and-a-half hours.
- The Manchester and Manchester Airport leg could be shared with High Speed Two.
Most of this will be achievable with the current TransPennine Express Class 802 trains, which are capable of 140 mph.
In addition, I think that it is likely that the East Coast Main Line will be upgraded between York and Newcastle for High Speed Two.
Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh will unlikely be to High Speed Two standards, but it could match the standards of the East Coast Main Line.
Improvements To The East Coast Main Line Between Newcastle and Edinburgh
Consider
- There have been reports that the power supply on the route is not very robust and Class 800 and Class 802 trains have to use diesel power.
- The route is fairly straight and could probably be partially-upgraded for 140 mph running with appropriate signalling.
- The route carries about five tph in both directions. Modern digital signalling could probably double this frequency.
- The Scottish Government has suggested adding new stations at East Linton and Reston.
- Edinburgh and Newcastle are 124.5 miles apart and trains typically take ninety minutes.
In addition, High Speed Two might like to extend some or all of their three Newcastle services to Edinburgh.
- 1 tph – Birmingham Curzon Street and Newcastle via East Midlands Hub, York, Darlington and Durham
- 1 tph – London Euston and Newcastle via Old Oak Common and York
- 1 tph – London Euston and Newcastle via Old Oak Common, York and Darlington.
High Speed Two will run between London Euston and Newcastle in two hours and seventeen minutes.
I think it could be possible, that an upgraded Newcastle and Edinburgh route could be covered in seventy minutes by either one of High Speed Two’s Classic Compatible trains or a Class 80x train.
This could mean these timings.
- Under four hours for classic services between London Kings Cross and Edinburgh.
- Around three hours for classic services between Liverpool and Edinburgh.
- Under three-and-a-half hours for High Speed Two services between London Euston and Edinburgh.
This shows the importance of improving the East Coast Main Line to the North of Newcastle.
Improvements To The West Coast Main Line Between Carlisle and Glasgow/Edinburgh
If the frequency and speed of trains on the East Coast Main Line can be increased, what can be done on the West Coast Main Line?
Consider.
- High Speed Two are showing Carlisle and Glasgow Central as a one hour and nineteen minute journey. Avanti West Coast do the journey in one hour and eleven minutes.
- High Speed Two are showing Carlisle and Edinburgh as a one hour and eleven minute journey. Avanti West Coast do the journey in one hour and fifteen minutes.
- Could the route be fully upgraded for 140 mph running with appropriate signalling?
- In a typical hour, there are two Avanti West Coast trains and one TransPennine Express passing along all or part of the West Coast Main Line North of Carlisle.
- The route carries a total of about four tph in both directions. Modern digital signalling could probably increase this frequency.
- Hitachi and Avanti West Coast seem to be saying that their new Class 807 trains have similar performance to the Class 390 trains, but without using tilting technology.
There doesn’t appear to be the scope for such dramatic improvement in the West, as in the East, but I can still see a succession of 140 mph trains running between Carlisle and Glasgow or Edinburgh in no more than an hour and eleven minutes.
These passenger services could be running North of Carlisle, when High Speed Two is fully open.
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – Class 397 train
- 0.5 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central – Class 397 train
- 3 tpd – TransPennine Express – Liverpool and Glasgow Central – Class 397 train
Note.
- I am assuming that Avanti West Coast’s services will be replaced by the High Speed Two services.
- As the TransPennine Express services share a path, it would appear that six tph will be running between Carlisle and Edinburgh or Glasgow.
There would appear to be space for more trains on the West Coast Main Line, to the North of Carlisle.
A Few Random Thoughts
These are a few random thoughts and ideas.
Avanti West Coast And High Speed Two Classic-Compatible Trains
Avanti West Coast will have these fleets of high-speed trains.
- 11-car Class 390 electric trains, which are 265.3 metres long
- 9-car Class 390 electric trains, which are 217.5 metres long.
- 7-car Class 807 electric trains, which will be 182 metres long
- 5-car Class 805 bi-mode trains, which will be 130 metres long
- High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains, which will be 200 metres long
- Full-size High Speed Two trains, which will be 400 metres long.
It would appear that there could be some fleet simplification.
All Passenger Trains Between Newcastle Or Carlisle and Glasgow Central Or Edinburgh Should Be Capable Of Operating At 140 mph
Both the East and West Coast Main Lines between Carlisle and Newcastle in England and Edinburgh and Glasgow in Scotland are not far off being capable of running trains at 140 mph. Modern digital in-cab signalling and some track works will be needed.
Once 140 mph running is achieved, then all trains will need to be capable of making use of the speed, to maximise the capacity of the routes.
Freight Trains Between Newcastle Or Carlisle and Glasgow Central Or Edinburgh Should Be Capable Of Operating As Fast As Possible
Freight trains will need to be hauled by electric locomotives, at as high a speed as possible, to avoid slowing the express passenger trains.
More well-positioned freight loops may be needed.
Will TransPennine’s Manchester And Scotland Service Transfer To High Speed Two?
I think, that this is highly likely.
- The service would be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- Depending on track layout, the Liverpool and Scotland service on the West Coast Main Line could be upgraded to the High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains or discontinued.
This would mean, that all passenger trains on the West Coast Main Line North of Lancaster would be High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 3 tpd – High Speed Two – Liverpool and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
This must mean that if the operating speed on the West Coast Main Line were to be increased, all passenger services could take advantage, which would surely improve timings.
What About CrossCountry?
CrossCountry run a single hourly service between Plymouth and Edinburgh.
- The route goes via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle.
- Some services are extended to Glasgow Central and Aberdeen.
Currently, this service is run by a diesel train, which surely will need to be replaced with a zero-carbon train.
Consider.
- Scotland is keen to electrify or allow electric trains to run between Edinburgh and Aberdeen.
- High Speed Two will provide an electrified route between Birmingham and York via East Midlands Hub for Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield and Leeds.
- The likes of Hitachi and Adrian Shooter of Vivarail are very bullish about battery electric trains.
- Great Western Railway, Hitachi and Network Rail have probably hired Baldrick for a cunning plan to run battery electric trains between Bristol and Penzance.
Could it be possible for Hitachi or another manufacturer to design a High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train, with a battery capability?
A train with this specification, could be ideal for the Plymouth and Edinburgh service.
It might also be useful for these CrossCountry services.
- Southampton and Newcastle
- Bournemouth and Manchester Piccadilly
- Exeter St. Davids/Bristol and Manchester Piccadilly
- Cardiff Central and Nottingham
- Birmingham and Nottingham
- Birmingham and Stansted Airport
Note.
- All could run on High Speed Two fpr part of the route.
- Birmingham and Nottingham has already been proposed for running using High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train, by Midlands Engine Rail, as I wrote about in Classic-Compatible High Speed Two Trains At East Midlands Hub Station.
- I proposed a Birmingham and Cambridge service using High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains in A Trip To Grantham Station – 4th November 2020.
High Speed Two could have a big positive effect on CrossCountry services.
Future Anglo-Scottish Services After High Speed Two Opens Fully
It is possible, that when High Speed Two fully opens, these services will run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central stations.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Edinburgh Waverley via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York and Newcastle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Glasgow Central via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley.
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via York, Darlington, Newcastle and Berwick-upon-Tweed
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via Peterborough, Newark North Gate, Doncaster, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket.
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie and Motherwell.
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Newton-le-Willows, Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham, Newcastle and Morpeth
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh Waverley via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 3 trains per day (tpd) – High Speed Two – Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow Central via St. Helen’s Central, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
Note.
- I have assumed that the Liverpool/Manchester services to Scotland via the West Coast Main Line have transferred to High Speed Two.
- All trains would be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1.5 tph (1 tph)
- London and Edinburgh – 4 tph (2 tph)
- London and Glasgow – 2 tph (1.5 tph)
- Leeds and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (1.5 tph)
- Leeds and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Liverpool and Edinburgh – 1 tph (1 tph)
- Liverpool and Glasgow – 3 tpd (3 tpd)
- Manchester and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (1.5 tph)
- Manchester and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Manchester Airport and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
Note.
- My estimates for the number of trains in the future, are probably best described as minimum figures.
- The figures in brackets are the current frequencies.
- Currently, there are eleven express trains between England and Scotland and after High Speed Two is fully open there could be at least fifteen express trains.
I have a few final thoughts.
Capacity Between England And Scotland
Capacity of the current and future Anglo-Scottish trains is as follows.
- High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train – 500-600
- Eleven-car Class 390 train – 589
- Nine-car Class 800 train – 611
It appears that the all the longer trains have roughly the same capacity.
As there are now eleven Anglo-Scottish long trains and these will be increased to fifteen, that indicates an minimum 36 % increase in capacity.
Will High Speed Two And Northern Powerhouse Rail Share A Route Across The Pennines?
Northern Powerhouse Rail have talked about extending High Speed Two services from Manchester to Huddersfield, Leeds, Hull, York and Newcastle.
I wrote about this in Changes Signalled For HS2 Route In North.
I like this plan for the following reasons.
It gives more places like Huddersfield and Hull access to High Speed Two.
It increases frequencies across the North.
But most importantly, as infrastructure is shared, it saves a lot of money.
It also opens up possibilities for services.
- The Liverpool and Edinburgh service could be run on the High Speed Two route across the Pennines and up the East Coast Main Line.
- London and Manchester services could be extends to Leeds, York, Newcastle and Scotland.
If Northern Powerhouse Rail were to be cleared for High Speed Two’s Full-Size trains, it opens up the possibility of running them further North.
Conclusion
High Speed Two will increase Anglo-Scottish capacity by more than a third.














