The Future Of Commuting
I take the title from this article in this Guardian, which is entitled Cattle-class: are Thameslink’s new ‘tube-style’ trains the future of commuting?
This is the sub-title to the article.
As the UK south-east’s rail nightmare continues, a new class of commuter trains has been quietly revealed – long, metro-style carriages without tables, built to accommodate as many standing passengers as possible. Is this the new normal?
The New Class 700 Trains
I have travelled on the new Class 700 trains and I wrote about my journey in A First Ride In A Class 700 Train.
These are things I thought some people might not like.
- The lack of audible messages. – I liked the quiet, but I’m not blind.
- The lack of tables in Standard Class compared with say the Class 387 trains, that currently work the line.
- The lack of wi-fi.
- The length of the train at 242.6m., if they get in the wrong carriage.
- The high step up into the train.
The last one is possibly to be compatible with other trains and is being addressed at East Croydon station, by raising the platforms. I didn’t go to Gatwick, but imagine large numbers of heavy cases being loaded and unloaded.
I think that the problem is that some bright spark in the Department of Transport or the Treasury, decided that the trains should be a one size fits all and that they had to cope with a lot of stations, where the platforms wouldn’t be seriously modified.
Thank goodness this idiot didn’t order the same trains for Crossrail.
The Routes Compared
It is interesting to compare the route and trains of Thameslink with Crossrail
The trains are similar in length, with about a third of the passengers getting seats at full capacity of 1500 for Crossrail’s Class 345 trains and 1800 for Thameslink’s Class 700 trains.
But I think there will be a big difference in passenger loading between the two lines.
These are times from four selected end points to Farringdon, where the two lines cross.
- Bedford (Thameslink) – 60 minutes
- Brighton (Thameslink) – 86 minutes
- Reading (Crossrail) – 58 minutes
- Shenfield (Crossrail) – 43 minutes
So it looks like the average commute on Thameslink could be longer, so possibly their trains should reflect that, with wi-fi, lots of tables etc.
But whereas Brighton and Bedford will get a few trains every hour to Central London, Shenfield will get ten.
Shenfield and Reading will also have long distance services coming in from further out and going direct to the capital.
Unfortunately, trains can’t start further South than Brighton.
Another big difference, is that Crossrail serves a lot of the places, commuters and visitors to the capital want to go. For example.
- Bond Street for the shops and the Underground
- Canary Wharf with a cross-platform change, if not direct.
- Heathrow for the planes
- Liverpool Street for long distance trains and the Underground.
- Moorgate for a walk to the City.
- Old Oak Common for long distance trains and the Overground.
- Paddington for long distance trains.
- Stratford for the Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park, shopping and the Underground.
- Whitechapel for the Overground.
Thameslink’s list is shorter and less impressive.
- Blackfriars for a walk to the City.
- City Thameslink for a walk to the City.
- Gatwick for the planes.
- Kings Cross St. Pancras for Eurostar and long distance trains.
- London Bridge for a walk to the City and the Underground.
I might be wrong, but this leads me to think that Crossrail will act like a high-capacity Underground Line across Central London,and will for example, be used by visitors wanting to have a walk in the City and then go to do some shopping in Oxford Street. Thameslink doesn’t have similar casual uses across Central London.
Another difference, is that Crossrail’s Shenfield and Reading branches are very much all-stations branches, whereas Thameslink’s have a lot of semi-fast trains.
This thinking leads to an important difference.
Crossrail’s train design and capacity depends heavily on the needs from Stratford to Old Oak Common, wheras Thameslink’s trains are more about the needs of long-distance commuters.
But then, Crossrail has been designed as a system of trains and routes to satisfy the capital’s needs, whereas Thameslink has been created by stitching together a series of Victorian lines, that all have different needs.
A Redesign For Thameslink
I think a few years after Crossrail and Thameslink open, Thameslink services will have a big redesign.
So what will happen?
It will be driven by the statistics of where passengers need to go.
But I can see the following happening.
Upgrading Of The Class 700 Trains
The more I read about the two sets of trains, the more I feel that passengers will moan about the Class 700 trains on Thameslink, when they experience the Class 345 trains on Crossrail.
Points of annoyance could include.
- The lack of wi-fi and charging sockets.
- Nowhere to put a coffee.
- The number of tables.
- The layout of the seats.
- Bicycles
But then these trains weren’t specified by the operator, unlike those on Crossrail, where Transport for London had a big input.
Creation Of More Cross-Platform And Same-Platform Interchanges
The only quality interchange between Thameslink and other services is London Bridge. But that has been designed recently.
East Croydon has been the victim of make-do-and mend for decades.
Gatwick Airport could be so much better.
St. Pancras is truly terrible and was designed so that passengers are kept fit, by walking long distances underground to reach other services.
West Hampstead Thameslink could be another Stratford, but it falls short.
I think we’ll see improvements to some of these stations to create better same-platform or cross-platform interchange between Thameslink and longer distance services.
As an example Alexandra Palace and Finsbury Park seem to have been improved so that Thameslink has a good interchange with local services out of Kings Cross and Moorgate.
On Thameslink East Croydon, Gatwick and West Hampstead Thameslink must be updated to improve connectivity between Thameslink and longer distance services.
Separation Of Short And Longer Distance Trains South Of The River
On Crossrail, passengers going further East can change at Liverpool Street or Stratford in the centre or Shenfield in the East and those going further West can change at Paddington in the centre or Reading in the West.
Four of the five interchange stations; Liverpool Street, Paddington, Reading, Shenfield and Stratford, are large stations with excellent facilities and lots of trains and I can see that Shenfield will be improved by some pragmatic use of the current platforms and the nearby High Street.
North of the River on Thameslink, the interchange between short and longer distance distance trains isn’t perfect, but Finsbury Park, Kentish Town, Welwyn Garden City and West Hampstead are better and have more spare capacity than East Croydon.
The only decent interchange South of the River is the recently-updated London Bridge. But it is too close to the centre of London.
South of the River, Thameslink needs a station like Reading or Shenfield, where passengers have a cross-platform or same-platform change to and from a proper long-distance commuter train to a comfortable high-density shuttle across London, as an alternative to getting one train all the way.
The Brighton Belle Will Return
The Brighton Belle was the way to commute between London and Brighton until it ceased running in the 1970s.
I may have ridden it once as a child of about seven with my father, but we may have made our trip to Brighton on an ordinary train.
Having travelled to Brighton many times, the route could probably sustain a higher quality service than it currently gets.
Currently, there are three services on the route.
- Thameslink, that when complete will go via Gatwick, East Croydon and London Bridge to all points North of the River.
- Southern to Victoria, that will go via Gatwick Airport, East Croydon and Clapham Junction.
- Gatwick Express to Gatwick and Victoria.
All are operated by the same franchise, Govia Thameslink Railway.
In my view, this is part of the commuting problem to the South Coast and especially Brighton.
There are no paths for a high-class operator on the route between either Victoria or London Bridge and Gatwick, but I think that better use could be made of the current services to increase capacity and the quality of the trains.
So I believe that as it was after the initial privatisation, Gatwick Express should become a separate franchise.
In its simnplest reincarnation, it would offer a high-class operator between Vicrtoria, Gatwick and Brighton, perhaps calling at Three Bridges and/or Horsham, just as did the original Brighton Belle called at Horsham.
But I’ve believed for some time that with the electrification of the Great Western Railway, that a service between Reading and Gatwick, should come under the control of Gatwick Express.
Consider.
- A network of upmarket Gatwick Express services could be developed centred on Gatwick.
- A Class 387 train, running from Reading to Gatwick would do the journey faster than using Crossrail/Thameslink, without all the problems of even a simple change.
- A Gatwick to Ebbsfleet or Ashford service would be possible.
- Gatwick could have Gatwick Express services to Luton Airport using Thameslink via London Bridge and St. Pancras.
- The current services to Victoria and Brighton would continue.
- It would have dedicated platforms at Brighton, Gatwick, Victoria and possibly Reading.
Properly structured it could be a mix of high-class Airport and commuter services.
- It must have nothing to do with Govia Thameslink Railway.
- The Class 387 trains are probably good enough for the franchise.
- Something like a Chiltern-style Class system might be best.
- Surely, modern technology should be able to create a decent buffet car.
- Ticketing would be as now and must include contactless bank card and Oyster.
- If it wants to extend services to Eastbourne, Portsmouth and Southampton, it should be taken seriously.
I’m certain, a bright marketing man would come up with an iconic name for the service.
The only problem would be that Govia Thameslink Railway would object like mad, but in some ways they’ve brought it on themselves.
Only Twelve-Car Trains Through The Central Tunnel
It is essential that to maximise capacity of the line, that in the most restricted section through the central tunnel, that all trains through the tunnel are twelve-car trains.
So this would mean that Sutton Loop Line services would have to terminate at Blackfriars station, as was originally intended until MPs intervened.
In the Wikpedia entry for The Sutton Loop Line, this is said.
Recent proposals were to increase the frequency of the Thameslink service but terminate at Blackfriars. This would allow the trains through the core section to be replaced with longer trains which could not use the loop, but this has not proceeded due to objections from loop passengers about the withdrawal of their through service.
It might be difficult to bring in now, due to the layout of Blackfriars station. This means that passengers going South will need to Cross under the lines to get to the bay platforms on the other side of the station.
It should be noted, that under the latest plans, passengers coming South on Thameslink and wanting to go to Sevenoaks, will have to negotiate this down and up at Blackfriars. It will be easier, if they are on the Midland branch, as they could get any of the four Sutton Loop Line trains and change at Elephant and Castle. But those passengers on the East Coast branch have only the 2 tph Maidstone East service that goes through Elephant and Castle.
Sufficient Trains On Each Section Of Thameslink
If you look at the current proposed timetable in All Change On Thameslink, you can summarise each section as follows.
- Bedford to St. Pancras – 16 trains per hour (tph)
- Bedford to Luton – 8 tph
- Luton to St. Albans – 10 tph
- St. Albans to Kentish Town – 14 tph
- Kentish Town to St. Pancras – 16 tph
- Peterborough/Cambridge to St. Pancras – 6 tph
- Peterborough to Hitchin – 2 tph
- Cambridge to Hitchin – 4 tph
- Hitchin to St. Pancras – 6 tph
- St. Pancras to Blackfriars – 22 tph
- Blackfriars To Elephant and Castle – 8 tph
- Elephant and Castle to Sutton Loop – 4 tph
- Elephant and Castle to Swanley- 4 tph
- Swanley to Maidstone East- 2 tph
- Swanley to Sevenoaks – 2 tph
- Blackfriars to London Bridge 16 tph
- London Bridge to Orpington – 2 tph
- London Bridge to Rainham via Greenwich and Dartford – 2 tph
- London Bridge to East Croydon- 12 tph
- East Croydon to Gatwick – 10 tph
- Gatwick to Brighton – 4 tph
- Gatwick to Horsham – 2 tph
- Gatwick to Littlehampton – 2 tph
My numbers are probably not totally correct, but it does show there are reasonable frequencies everywhere.
Note.
- Rainham to Luton via Dartford, Greenwich and London Bridge looks a service for an area of South East London that needs development.
- Rainham to Luton calls at Abbey Wood for Crossrail, so it also is a valuable extension to Crossrail services at Abbey Wood.
- Swanley seems to be developing into an interchange for services to Kent, with four tph to Blackfriars and two tph to each of Maidstone East and Sevenoaks.
- Gatwick gets a frequency of 10 tph to London on Thameslink.
- There are 8 tph between Gatwick and Luton airports.
These frequencies have changed from those given in Wikipedia
The Effect Of The Northern City Line
The original service plan for Thameslink to the North of London, showed the following.
- 4 tph to Bedford
- 2 tph to Peterborough
- 4 tph to Cambridge
In total sixteen sixteen services were planned go up the Midland Main Line and eight up the East Coast Main Line and the Cambridge Branch.
But as I showed in All Change on Thameslink, it is now planned to be.
- 8 tph to Bedford
- 2 tph to Peterborough
- 4 tph to Cambridge
The service to Finsbury Park and Welwyn Gsrden City has also disappeared, so although the total number of services on the Midland Main Line remains the same, the number of services on the East Coast Main Line has dropped to six.
Could this be because the Northern City and the Hertford Loop Lines are going to be given an increased role in providing services, when the new Class 717 trains arrive in a couple of years?
It certainly looks as if Govia Thameslink Railway could be organising their services out of Kings Cross and Moorgate to augment the Thameslink services.
It looks like the following is happening.
- Short distance services up to about Hitchin and Letchworth Garden City are being served by trains from Kings Cross and Moorgate.
- The increase in the number and quality of the Class 717 trains is being used to provide an improved local service.
- Trains from Thameslink and Great Northern will provide the bulk of the long distance commuter services to Cambridge and Peterborough.
- GTR have also said that their Class 387 trains, will be working between Kings Cross, Cambridge, Peterborough and Kings Lynn.
I don’t think anybody will be complaining.
Embracing The East London Line
If you were going from say Gatwick Airport to Hatfield, when Thameslink is fully open in a few years time, you would probably get one of the direct trains, which will run at a frequency of 4 tph.
But rail enthusiasts and masochists might travel by this route.
- Gatwick Airport to East Croydon on Thameslink or Southern.
- East Croydon to Norwood Junction on Southern
- Norwood Junction to Highbury and Islington on the East London Line
- Highbury and Islington to Finsbury Park on the Northern City Line
- Finsbury Park to Hatfield on Great Northern or Thameslink.
I know it’s rather convoluted, but it does show how the East London Line is an important cross-London route, with strong links to railways controlled by Govia Thameslink Railway.
It is well-connected at the North, but connections at the South to Southern and Thameslink at the important station of East Croydon are woeful.
Thameslink must embrace the East London Line fully, just as it is embracing the Northern City Line.
Swanley Station
Swanley station could prove to be an important station for Thameslink.
Currently services call at the station are as follows.
- 4tph to London Victoria via Bromley South
- 2tph to West Hampstead Thameslink via Catford
- 2tph to Sevenoaks via Bat & Ball
- 1tph to Ashford International via Maidstone East
- 1tph to Canterbury West via Maidstone East
- 1tph to Dover Priory via Chatham
But if the current plans for Thameslink are fulfilled there will be the following Thamesline services through Swanley.
- 2 tph – Maidstone East to Cambridge
- 2 tph – Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
Adding these to the current services gives.
- 4tph to London Victoria via Bromley South
- 4tph to Blackfriars via Catford
- 2tph to Cambridge via Catford and Blackfriars
- 2tph to Sevenoaks via Bat & Ball
- 4 tph to Maidstone East
Effectively, Swanley will get a turn-up-and-go 4 tph service to Blackfriars, Maidstone East and Victoria.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the layout of lines at Swanley station.
Note.
- Swanley station has two island platforms.
- The line going North-East is the Chatham Main Line.
- The line going South-East is the Maidstone Line, leading to Maidstone East and Sevenoaks stations.
- At present, the platform arrangement is not one island platform for each direction.
This station could be dramatically improved to be a cross-platform interchange with London-bound and coast-bound services each with their own island platform. If of course, this were to be possible for other operational reasons.
The only passengers who would be inconvenienced, would be those who were travelling between stations on different lines to the East.
- The East London Line having cross-platform interchange vwith Thamesllink.
- Sortout the dreadful St. Pancras with good interchange between Thameslink and other lines.
- Gatwick acts as a collector station, where passengers from all over the South change trains to a high-capacity Gatwick to Luton/Bedford shuttle.
Thameslink will be radically different to how it is planned to be today.
London Bridge Station Will Be A Game-Changer For Many Passengers
After my first glimpse of the new London Bridge station, which I posted in London Bridge Station Wakes Up, I have a feeling that the station could be a gam-changer for many passengers.
These are a few of the ways the new station will help. Some are very specific for me, as I live in Dalston, without direct access to the Underground.
London Bridge Station Is Bus-Friendly
Ever since the new bus station at London Bridge has opened, it has been easier for those like me in Islington, Hackney and Tower Hamlets to get to the station, as there are several buses between our area and London Bridge.
But now the top entrance under the Shard is now complete, you can take one escalator to the concourse under all the tracks.
You can also still walk through direct to platforms 10-15, which I often do, as these platforms are the terminals for trains to and from Freedom Pass territory. There’s also a convenient M&S Simply Food, which I regularly use.
I also think that, as the concourse,has better access to and from Tooley Street, this will help those wanted to use buses on Tooley Street.
This visualisation from this page on the Thameslink Programme shows what Tooley Street will look like.
There seems to be a wide pavement between the traffic and the station.
London Bridge Station Is Reasonably Tube-Friendly
The main London termini serving the South, are not as far as I’m concerned the easiest to get to by Underground, especially from East London.
Victoria and Waterloo are a long way to the West and Cannon Street and Charing Cross are downright difficult to get to.
However, the Northern and Jubilee Lines probably make London Bridge, the easiest terminal for the South for many to use.
Will Thameslink Be Considered Part Of The Tube?
Since it opened in the 1980s, I’ve always considered that Thameslink should have been considered to be another Underground line.
Although, I really haven’t used Thameslink seriously, until I moved back to London in 2010.
I believe that the following things should be done to make Thameslink better for passengers and increase ridership on the line.
- Show all Thameslink routes and stations on the Tube map.
- Allow Oyster and contactless bank card ticketing at all Thameslink stations.
- Have the same Freedom Pass rules as Crossrail.
- Run Thameslink stations under TfL design, information and operational rules.
- Thameslink stations should be manned from first to last train.
- Disabled passengers should be able to just turn up and ask for assistance.
- Thameslink should be part of the Night Tube.
As I suspect that as these conditions will apply to Crossrail, surely both lines running under the same rules would be very passenger friendly.
I look forward to the day, when I touch in with my bank card at Finsbury Park and touch out at Cambridge or Brighton.
London Bridge Station Will Be An Easier Walk To The City
I’ve walked across London Bridge in late afternoon on a sunny day and the pedestrian traffic to London Bridge station from the City is large.
It would appear that all the work being done on the Tooley Street side of the station, will open up routes to the concourse under the tracks and create better walking routes to and from the City.
Unfortunately, it’s probably not possible to totally pedestrianise Tooley Street, as there is nowhere for the traffic to go.
London Bridge Station For Cannon Street And Charing Cross Avoidance
Before work on the station started, you could always avoid going to Cannon Street or Charing Cross stations to get a train, by catching it as it passed through London Bridge
But it wasn’t the easiest of connections.
Now though with the new platforms 8 and 9 open, you can see how Cannon Street and Charing Cross services will be handled at London Bridge station.
London Bridge Station And Thameslink
If I needed to use the old London Bridge station to access Thameslink services, it wasn’t the easiest.
But now that I can see how I will access the Thameslink platforms at London Bridge, I will probably use a 141 or 21 bus through the City.
I have a feeling that London Bridge will see a bigger increase in passenger use of the Thameslink platforms, when they reopen, as the interchange at London Bridge will be so much easier than say St. Pancras.
In fact, London Bridge station, just amplifies how bad the passenger-friendliness is at St. Pancras station.
Island Platforms And Thameslink
On Crossrail all Central London stations between Woolwich and Paddington, would appear to be island platforms or ones where you can walk across between the Eastbound and Westbound platforms without any steps.
If you look at some of the classic Underground stations, built over the last hundred years, like Angel, Bermondsey, Gants Hill, Pimlico, Regents Park and Southgate, then they are all built to this simple design.
- Escalators and/or lifts are probably easier to provide, as these can descend to the central space to serve both lines.
- A large circulation space can be built between the tracks.
- When staff are provided on the platforms, it probably means they can be more efficiently provided.
- Passengers can easily reverse direction, either deliberately or because they’ve got on a train going in the wrong direction.
- The layout might be better for health and safety reasons, if say power fails on one track and passengers need to be evacuated.
It is for these and other reasons, that I think island platforms, should be built wherever possible.
But on the central section of Thameslink, only London Bridge has an island platform.
To make matters worse the idiots, who designed St. Pancras Thameslink station, inexplicably chose to build it with two separate platforms.
Thus, they made say New Barnet to Luton Airport with heavy bags, much more difficult than it should be.
You actually wonder, if that journey will be more convenient, when London Bridge is fully connected to Thameslink, by doing the extra stops to London Bridge and changing trains there.
Probably not, as the extra stops would take twenty minutes or so!
But if they had a good coffee stall and kiosk on the platform at London Bridge, you might think about it.
London Bridge Station Wakes Up
Part of the new concourse of London Bridge station opened at five o’clock this morning.
I got there around 05:30, so at least there would be some light.
Points to note.
- The concourse is underneath the platforms.
- Often when this is done, as at Brussels Midi, the concourse is dark and claustrophobic. London Bridge certainly isn’t, as natural light is allowed in and there are masses of LED lights.
- The concourse is split into an open side and one where you must have a valid ticket.
- Escalators join the platforms in the centre.
- The island platforms have three escalators, two sets of stairs and a lift.
- The first through platform; 8 and 9 for Charing Cross, form a wide island platform.
- If platforms 4 and 5 for Thameslink, are as wide as 8 and 9, they will be a game-changer for those with limited mobility on Thameslink.
- Currently, the only dreary public area, is the old cross-passage between Tooley Street and Guy’s Hospital, but that dates from a few years ago and is probably going to be updated.
It is certainly a very good start.
Both Sides Of The Bermondsey Dive-Under – 26th August 2016
The Bermondsey Dive-Under is on track to be completed by Spring 2017.
This is a visualisation of the completed structure.
These pictures show the dive-under from a train, running from London Bridge to Caterham on the line between the Millwall FC ground and the structure.
It’s now getting to look a lot like the official visualisation.
These pictures were taken from a train running into London Bridge from New Cross, on the other side of the structure.
Crossrail may be the more spectacular and expensive project, but it has no intricate blend of old and new like the Bermondsey Dive-Under.
Thinking about the dive-under and when it is complete.
- Will there be walking routes through the structures and in the green spaces?
- How many extra small business units will be created underneath and around the arches?
- Will the area be integrated into the surrounding community?
Judging on other Network Rail sites, I don’t think the space will be wasted.
I do think that railway arches are a unique city resource, that can create jobs and increase economic activity and also improve the local environment.
Network Rail ought to sponsor an award for the Best New Railway Arch Business every year.
London Gets A New Attraction On Monday
One of my Google Alerts found this article on the Network Rail web site, which is entitled New London Bridge station concourse to open this Bank Holiday.
I’m surprised that the new concourse is actually opening on the Bank Holiday, but I’ll be going with my camera.
It’s been a long time coming and I hope the new station lives up to its billing!
The Tanners Hill Flydown
With Thameslink, Network Rail, are trying to remove bottlenecks all over the place. The Tanners Hill Flydown, is an extra track in the area of St. John’s station, which is described like this in Wikipedia.
To improve capacity on the line between London Bridge and Lewisham, a new stretch of single track has been built alongside the original bi-directional single track between Tanners Hill Junction (near St John’s Station) and Lewisham Vale Junction. Before the new track was laid, St John’s Vale Road Bridge was partially demolished and reconstructed with a concrete pier, as well as a new south span over the new track; the existing embankment along the fly-down was also widened. This work was completed in April 2013, and the new track is being used for some services to/from Charing Cross via Lewisham.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr, shows the flydown and St. Johns and Lewisham stations.
This map shows how the flydown allows trains from London terminals to take various routes to the South East, either through Lewisham station or on the South Eastern Main Line.
The Google Map shows the flydown.
The flydown is the double-track line that is on the opposite site of the tracks to the station. It starts to the London side of the bridge taking St. Johns Vale Road over the railway and then connects to the Nunhead to Lewisham Link Line.
As Wikipedia says the flydown is now being used for some Charing Cross services via Lewisham.
These pictures were taken from St. Johns station and show the various lines that pass through and by the station.
Note that the high pictures were taken from the station footbridge and others from passing trains, on the many routes, on or crossing the main lines in the area.
This junction illustrates both the complication and the possibilities created by South London’s intensive rail network.
Will we be seeing more lines, junctions and crossing giving a sound sorting?
More On The Tanners Hill Flydown
London Recconnections has two excellent articles on the Tanners Hill Flydown.
The first article gives an insight into why some of the problems with our railways occur, due to a lack of future-proofing in the 1970s, when the original Tanners Hill Flydown was built, with it seems much annoyance to local residents.
Bermondsey Dive-Under – 8th August 2016
On my way to Tulse Hill, I took these pictures of the Bermondsey Dive-Under.
According to the Wikipedia entry for the Bermondsey Dive-Under, it will open in Spring 2017.
Blackfriars staion, London Bridge station and the Borough Market viaduct, may have got all the publicity and infuture the plaudits of critics, but I have a feeling that engineers and those that worked on it, will rate the untying of the railway lines, by creating the Bermondsey Dive-Under to be a greater achievement.
All Change On Thameslink
Wikipedia gives a Provisional Timetable for Thameslink.
- 4 trains per hour (tph) – Sutton to St. Albans (2 tph via Wimbledon, 2tph via Mitcham)
- 2tph – Brighton to Bedford
- 2 tph – Gatwick Airport to Bedford
- 2 tph – Brighton to Cambridge
- 2 tph – Horsham to Peterborough
- 2 tph – Tattenham Corner to Cambridge
- 2 tph – Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
- 2 tph – Caterham to Finsbury Park (stopping via Sydenham or semi-fast)
- 2 tph – Maidstone East to Luton
- 2 tph – East Grinstead to West Hampstead
- 2 tph – Littlehampton to West Hampstead
Some services are extended in the Peak to and from Bedford, Luton, Three Bridges and Welwyn Garden City.
According to Modern Railways for August 2016, the new proposal is.
- 4 trains per hour (tph) – Sutton to St. Albans (2 tph via Wimbledon, 2tph via Mitcham)
- 2tph – Brighton to Bedford
- 2 tph – Three Bridges/Gatwick Airport to Bedford
- 2 tph – Brighton to Cambridge North
- 2 tph – Horsham to Peterborough
- 2 tph – Maidstone East to Cambridge
- 2 tph – Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
- 2 tph -Orpington to Kentish Town/West Hampstead
- 2 tph – Rainham to Luton (via Dartford and Greenwich)
- 2 tph – East Grinstead to Bedford
- 2 tph – Littlehampton to Bedford
No information on Peak extensions is given.
I can make the following observations.
More Off Peak Trains Through The Core
According to Modern Railways for August 2016, there will be another 2 tph in the Off Peak, through the core from St. Pancras to London Bridge.
The core section of Thameslink, which effectively goes from West Hampstead/Kentish Town and Finsbury Park in the North to London Bridge and Elephant and Castle in the South.
This section is getting to look more like a high-capacity Underground Line. The frequency is in the mid-twenty trains per hour, which is better than some Underground lines.
There is also a lot of connections.
- West Hampstead – Jubilee Line and North London Lines and possibly Chiltern and Metropolitan Lines.
- Kentish Town – Northern Line
- Finsbury Park – Great Northern, Piccadillyand Victoria Lines.
- St. Pancras – Circle, Metropolitan, Northern,Piccadilly and Victoria Lines, and Main Line services out of Kings Croiss and St. Pancras.
- Blackfriars – Circle and District Lines
- London Bridge – Northern and Jubilee Lines and Main Line services.
- Elephant and Castle – Northern and Bakerloo Lines
With this level of connections, it should surely be on the Underground Map.
Changing In The Core
Passengers will have to get more used to changing trains in the core section between St. Pancras and Blackfriars.
Passengers will get off one train at a station they like, wait for hopefully a few minutes, before getting a train to their preferred destination.
I think Thameslink could make this a lot easier, by providing kiosks and coffee shops on the platforms of the station, they would like people to change.
New Routes
Thameslink will open up new routes.
Until I was fifteen, I lived near Oakwood station and getting to and from Gatwick from there is not easy. But after Thameslink opens, the Piccadilly Line takes me to Finsbury Park for Thameslink, where I suspect I’ll be able to get a train to Gatwick.
All the fuss is about Crossrail, but the effect of a full Thameslink could be almost as great.
London Bridge Station
According to a platform layout diagram in Wikipedia of London Bridge station, Thameslink will use the following platforms.
- Platform 4 to go South.
- Platform 5 to go North.
Is the design of the island platform 4/5 in the new station, wide enough to have kiosks and/or coffee shops?
It’s certainly an island platform, that will enable passengers to change direction.
Sutton Loop Services
Sutton currently has 2 tph to St. Albans and 2 tph to Luton, so the new proposal might be seen as a cutback, as it doesn’t go all the way to Luton.
Will users of the Sutton Loop Line find this acceptable? According to the Political Developments section in the Wikipedia entry for the Thameslink Programme, this is said.
Network Rail had planned to terminate Sutton Loop Thameslink trains at Blackfriars station, rather than have them continue through central London as at present. This upset many residents in South London and their local politicians, who saw it as a reduction in services rather than an improvement. In response to pressure, government has ordered Network Rail to reverse the decision.
There are powerful interests!
Cambridge
Are some Cambridge services going to Cambridge North station, to give better connections between Thameslink and services to and from Kings Lynn, Norwich, Peterborough and the Midlands?
Cambridge North station is given in Wikipedia as a three platform station.
Is that enough? Especially, if trains arriving at Cambridge North station from the North were to be turned back.
Thameslink will also highlight a real problem at Cambridge.
After Thameslink opens, for many passengers, going to say Ipswich or Norwich via Cambridge could be a better option, than going via Liverpool Street.
At present trains from Cambridge to Ipswich, Norwich and Peterborough do not have enough capacity or frequency. At least a four-car train running every thirty minutes is needed now and, Thameslink will bring more passengers to the routes.
Hopefully, the new East Anglia Franchise will improve these important services across the region.
Midland Main Line
It would seem that services on the Midland Main Line branch of Thameslink, stop a few stations further in with perhaps fewer services going to Luton.
Given that the Midland Main Line is to be electrified and fast trains will be running from St. Pancras to Derby, Nottingham and Sheffield, the interface between the two lines needs to be well thought out.
Consider.
- The interchange between Thameslink and Midland Main Line services at St. Pancras is not the best.
- Will Bedford be upgraded to be a better interchange?
- Trains on the electrified Midland Main Line will probably be 200 kph trains, as opposed to the 160 kph of the Class 700 train‘s on Thameslink.
- The trains run on separate pairs of lines, with the slow lines to the East and the fast lines to the West.
In my view, there is a need for a cross platform interchange between Thameslink and long distance services, but on a brief look, this might be difficult, at anywhere other than Bedford station.
As Bedford will also become the Eastern terminus of the East West Rail Link, and there is space in the area of the station, could we see Bedford developed into an important and efficient interchange?
St. Pancras Station
A lot of this could have been much easier, if St. Pancras station had been designed as a working station, rather than to show off! It may have a fur coat, but it’s certainly got no knickers.
A simple illustration of the bad design of St. Pancras, is to imagine you’re coming from say Flitwick on Thameslink and want to go to anywhere on the Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria Lines.
- The Piccadilly and Victoria Lines are a long walk from Thameslink and the Midland Main Line platforms at St. Pancras.
- The Northern Line is better as sensible passengers will use Kentish Town or London Bridge to change.
At least there is a good interchange to the Circle, District and Metropolitan Lines at Farringdon and Blackfriars.
In some ways the easiest way to get from the Thameslink platforms at St. Pancras to the Victoria and Piccadilly Lines, especially if you’re going South, is to get off at Farringdon station and use the cross-platform interchange between the Southbound Thameslink and the Westbound Circle/Metropolitan, which I showed in A Space Too Good To Leave Empty, and then take one stop back to Kings Cross before walking up the stairs to take the escalators to the Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria Lines.
East Coast Main Line
Thameslink’s links to the East Coast Main Line hopefully will be much better, as there are stations, where interchange to local and long-distance services could be excellent.
- Finsbury Park (At least 6 tph) will hopefully give good interchange to Great Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria Lines and local services.
- Welwyn Garden City (At least 4 tph) will interchange with local services
- Stevenage (At least 4 tph) will interchange with local services and some long distance trains.
- Peterborough (2 tph) will interchange with local services and lots of long distance trains.
As the slow lines are on the outside of the fast lines on the East Coast Main Line, I suspect that there are several good opportunities to create cross- or same platform interchanges between local services, Thameslink and long distance services to the North and Scotland.
Northern City And Hertford Loop Lines
One set of services that will benefit from Thameslink are those on the Northern City Line out of Moorgate and the associated Hertford Loop Line.
- The service will be connected to Thameslink services at Finsbury Park, Welwyn Garden City, Stevenage and other stations.
- The lines recently went to seven-day-a-week operation.
- The lines are getting new Class 717 trains.
- The Hertford Loop Line is a double-track line with a 120 kph speed limit and stations for six-car trains.
- The current Southern terminus at Moorgate, is not the easiest to access.
In the future, don’t discount improvements to the Hertford Loop Line, to get more trains through the area.
Consider.
- The Hertford Loop Line is the only diversion past the bottleneck of the Digswell Viaduct.
- Both ends of the line are grade-separated.
- The fastest trains between Finsbury Park and Stevenage on the main line take 18 minutes with no stops and 31 minutes with five stops.
- A typical stopping train on the Hertford Loop Line takes around 41-50 minutes.
- The line can handle long trains and frequently does, when there are problems on the main line.
- Thameslink Class 700 trains could certainly run on the line, but couldn’t stop unless platforms were extended.
- After the Great Northern Class 717 trains are delivered, under normal operation only the most modern trains with the latest signalling will use the line.
- Stevenage station already has cross platform interchange between main line, Thameslink, local and Hertford Loop services.
I think we shouldn’t discount the possibility of some Thameslink services going via an uprated Hertford Loop Line to release paths on the congested part of the East Coast Main Line.
Suppose the Hertford Loop Line was updated to include.
- 160 kph speed limit.
- Perhaps longer platforms at Hertford North station.
- Cross-platform or same platform interchange at Finsbury Park and Stevenage and perhaps Alexandra Palace.
- Perhaps a new parkway station South of Stevenage which could accept 12-car Thameslink trains.
I suspect Network Rail are updating their book of cunning plans to get more capacity through and around the Digswell Viaduct.
More Routes To Kent
The headline of the article in the August 2016 article in Modern Railways is Thameslink To Medway In Revised Timetable.
So why is Thameslink increasing its presence in Kent?
I could be cynical and say it is to take traffic from their rival company; Southeastern, but I think it is all about managing resources.
Consider.
- The core section of Thameslink can handle 24 tph in both directions.
- North of the Thames, the increased capacity has been used to create a second route out of London to Welwyn Garden City, Cambridge and Peterborough.
- East Croydon is a bottleneck and can’t take any more trains.
- The Bermondsey Dive-Under and the new London Bridge station will create more capacity and better routes to South East London and Kent.
- Thameslink has always served Kent.
- Many Kent services go right across London to Victoria, whenb perhaps it would be easier if they served London Bridge or went through Thameslink.
So by switching some of the available services through London to Kent, this could be to relieve pressure at Victoria and East Croydon. So perhaps in the long term, this will allow more services from Victoria to Brighton via East Croydon and Gatwick Airport
But obviously, these changes wouldn’t be done if the passengers didn’t need to use the route.
I have to admit, that I hear regular complaints about the quality of the train service in South East London.
The 2 tph between Orpington and West Hampstead certainly looks like a measure to address South East London’s bad connectivity. I know one solicitor who’ll use it to get from home to her office.
The 2 tph between Rainham and Luton is the interesting service, as it goes via the Medway towns, Dartford and Greenwich.
- It gives the Medway towns an additional route and more capacity to London.
- It connects to Greenhithe for Bluewater.
- It connects to Crossrail at Abbey Wood.
- Could this route release capacity in Victoria?
One thing that surprises me, is that it duplicates the proposed Crossrail extension to Gravesend. Perhaps it is just a better idea.
The other Kent service which is the 2 tph between Cambridge and Maidstone East, which is extended to Ashford in the peaks, seems to be a replacement for an existing service, but it could be taking the pressure off Victoria services.
Obviously Thameslink have the detailed passenger figures and can plan accordingly.
But surely, if the East Coastway service is extended to Ashford, perhaps by the use of IPEMU-capable Class 377 trains, then does this create another high-class commuter route to the far South-East?
Connecting To East Croydon And Gatwick From East London
For those of us in East London, who live along the East London Line, this is one of the most important sections of Thameslink.
At present, we can get to and from Gatwick Airport and East Croydon stations, by changing at somewhere like New Cross Gate or Norwood Junction stations.
It had been hoped that the improved Thameslink would have laid down a simple rule for getting from the East London Line to Gatwick, but when I asked Thameslink about this, they referred me to Transport for London, who unsurprisingly referred me back to Thameslink. I wrote about it in detail in Searching For What Is Going To Happen On The East London Line After The Thameslink Programme Opens.
Obviously, when Crossrail opens, it will help, as it runs from Whitechapel to Farringdon, but it would still be ideal to be able to get to Gatwick with one change, without making several and going halfway round London.
London Bridge To Caterham And Tattenham Corner via Purley
These destinations were originally to be incorporated into Thameslink, but it now appears, that they will become a shared service from London Bridge that divides at Purley station.
The current service is 2 tph from London Bridge to both Caterham and Tattenham Corner. As each train stops at all stations between New Cross Gate and East Croydon stations, this could appear to be the service that the East London Line needs.
The current London Overground services on the East London Line through New Cross Gate are 4 tph to West Croydon and 4 tph to Crystal Palace. As I said in Increased Frequencies On The East London Line, from 2018 Crystal Palace will receive 6 tph from Dalston Junction station.
So this means that from 2018, every six minutes a London Overground train will travel in both directions between New Cross Gate and Sydenham stations,. The services would run on the slow lines well out of the way of Thameslink on the fast lines.
There would probably be paths on the fast line to run the London Bridge to Purley services, but because Thameslink is such a high-frequency service, I suspect that they would run on the slow lines.
This would of course create a local Metro service to feed passengers to London Bridge and especially East Croydon to access longer distance services.
Let’s hope that there is sufficient capacity on the slow lines between New Cross Gate and East Croydon to incorporate a London Bridge to Purley service of sufficient frequency, so that plebs like me in Dalston wanting to go to East Croydon, can just get the first train to Sydenham and wait for a few minutes for the arrival of an East Croydon train.
In a perfect world, there would be ten trains per hour from London Bridge to East Croydon to match the Overground service. This would mean that the two services would alternate.
But I doubt this will happen, as other trains use the slow lines, like the service from Victoria to Sutton via Crystal Palace and West Croydon.
However, if we have at least a 4 tph service between London Bridge and Purley via East Croydon, that would mean that a reasonable service with one same platform interchange would exist between the East London Line and East Croydon, with all its connections to the South. Thameslink would be providing at least the following services from East Croydon.
- 4 tph to Brighton
- 4 tph to Three Bridges
- 2 tph to Horsham
All 10 tph would serve Gatwick Airport.
I wonder if the London Bridge to Purley services would share the same platform or island platform at East Croydon with Thameslink services.
If they did, then going to and from Gatwick Airport and Brighton from anywhere on the East London Line, would involve a maximum of two same platform changes.
London Bridge To Uckfield
For several months, I’ve thought that London Bridge to Uckfield will be run by an IPEMU or a train with onboard energy storage. I wrote about this in The Uckfield Branch Is Almost Ready For Longer Trains.
At present this service uses the fast lines between London Bridge and East Croydon and is run by Class 171 trains. An ideal train would be a modified Class 377 train, running in anb 8-, 10- or 12-car formation.
Between London Bridge and South Croydon, it would run using the third rail electrification and could keep up to a Thameslink speed. Only South of Oxted would it use the energy from the onboard storage to power the train.
Will Thameslink really want this interloper on their train superhighway between London Bridge and East Croydon?
Probably not!
But surely, the service could share the slow lines with the London Bridge to Purley services and the London Overground.
The Extended East London Line
Summarising the services that use the East London Line and the slow lines of the Brighton Main Line North of New Cross Gate we get from 2018.
- 4 tph Dalston Junction to West Croydon (London Overground) – Uses route from New Cross Gate to Norwood Junction
- 6 tph Highbury and Islington to Crystal Palace (London Overground) – Uses route from New Cross Gate to Sydenham.
- ? tph London Bridge to Purley (Southern) – Uses route from New Cross Gate to East Croydon
- ? tph London Bridge to Uckfield (Southern) – Uses route from New Cross Gate to East Croydon
- 4 tph Crystal Palace to West Croydon (Southern) – Uses route through Norwood Junction.
If say we had 4 tph to Purley and and 2 tph to Uckfield, then that would mean.
- 16 tph between New Cross Gate and Sydenham
- 14 tph through Norwood Junction
- 8 tph through East Croydon
- 8 tph to West Croydon
I suspect, that people who know about train scheduling could squeeze up to about the same twenty trains per hour along the line, that London Overground will be running through the Thames Tunnel.
If something like this train pattern were to be implemented, it would effectively create an extended East London Line from Highbury and Islington and Dalston Junction in the North to Gatwick Airport, Brighton and Uckfield in the South via East Croydon. All passengers would probably do is change trains, but not platforms once or twice.
The Brighton Main Line 2
There are a lot of commuters and others, who press for a second main line to Brighton, It even has its own web site, which would seem to like to see.
- Another route to London created using the Uckfield Branch and a reinstated Wealden Line.
- Better access to the Canary Wharf area of London.
Having looked at what Thameslink are doing, I think I can say the following.
- The new 12-car Class 700 trains will bring extra seats.
- Brighton will get 4 tph Thameslink train service through London.
- Thameslink services will interchange with East London Line services in a more efficient manner to give better access to Canary Wharf, Shoreditch, Whitechapel and East London in general.
- If the Thameslink services do create capacity at Victoria and East Croydon, then we’ll see more services from Brighton to Victoria.
- 10- or 12-car services will run from Uckfield into London Bridge, at 2-4 tph.
Hopefully, it will put off the day, when serious money needs to be spent to build a second line from Brighton to London.
Conclusion
I obviously don’t know, if this logic is right!
But if the following is done.
- Move services from Surrey to Kent.
- Provide a new Metro route from London Bridge to Caterham and Tattenham Corner via Purley.
- Optimise service end-points.
- Look seriously at the Hertford Loop Line
- Have a good think about how to serve Cambridge.
The following will happen.
- Victoria will have some spare capacity.
- Pressure on East Croydon will be eased.
- A frequent service can be created between London Bridge and Uckfield.
- The East London Line gets connected to Gatwick and Brighton.
- South East London gets much needed connectivity.
But the biggest effect will be the ability to create more services between Victoria and Brighton via East Croydon and Gatwick Airport.
It all illustrates some of the possibilities created by the new Thameslink proposals.
And all without any new infrastructure, other than what is currently being constructed.
Could More Pedestrianisation And Better Public Transport Be A Weapon Against Terrorism?
Protecting against the sort of attack like the one in Nice last night , must be every policeman’s nightmare.
The City of London put a ring of steel around the Square Mile and there hasn’t been a serious attack since. But it caused lots of other problems.
I actually think, that we now have so many areas where large crowds congregate for work, shopping and sporting events, that we need more and more traffic restrictions like those proposed for Oxford Street.
Intriguingly, the City of London is going the same way and wants to remove a lot of traffic from the area around Bank.
So is this pedestrianisation, perhaps linked with better public transport, one of our best weapons against terrorism?
The Mind Of A Terrorist
I don’t know, as I’m at best, a poor amateur psychologist, but it strikes me there are two types of terrorist wanting to create mayhem and kill lots of people.
The first group, are those who want to leave a bomb or device and get safely away.The Bishopsgate and Baltic Exchange bombings which in today’s money together caused over a billion pounds of damage, are examples of this type, where no-one was ever prosecuted, or even publicly named.
The second group are the much-more suicide bombers, who generally strike without warning
Incidentally, I only think one Irish bomber was killed by his own bomb and we can all be thankful for that, as if suicide tactics had been employed, we would have seen many more deaths.
The City Of London’s Ring Of Steel
The City of London is protected by a so-called Ring of Steel, which is a network of barriers, check-points and 649 CCTV cameras.
It certainly seems to have protected the City from further bombings and made terrorists seek out alternative targets outside the Square Mile.
It has had one very positive effect, although at times that doesn’t seem to be as effective as it was. The City inside the ring, is now a very pleasant place to walk about and explore, as traffic is much-reduced.
Also, at weekends, the City is now a very quiet place for much of the year.
When I was still driving and needed perhaps to park a car for the evening or overnight, I would also park it prominently on a meter or legal parking space inside the ring, as I knew it would still be there in the morning.
The Future Of The City Of London
The City of London is pushing ahead with a policy of pedestrianisation, improved walking routes and better access to the Underground and rail network.
They have one great advantage compared to most other local authorities. Land is so expensive in the City and therefore fortunes are spent to create buildings that will earn billions, that if the City says to a developer, can you put an Underground entrance in your building, the answer is usually yes.
At the present time, Bloomberg are creating a new headquarters building called Walbrook Square, that will incorporate a second entrance to the Waterloo and City Line.
Other cities across the UK and the wider world are not so lucky!
Crossrail and the upgraded Thameslink will have their effects on the City, because of the positions of their stations and other factors.
- , Crossrail will have a massive double-ended station stretching from Liverpool Street in the East to Moorgate in the West.
- Thameslink will have a line of stations; Fasrringdon, City Thameslink and Blackfriars, down the West of the City.
- Crossrail and Thameslink will have their important interchange at Frarringdon.
- Crossrail will have a major interchange at Whitechapel serving the East of the City.
- Thameslink will also have a major interchange at London Bridge, just across the River from the City.
- Crossrail and Thameslink will be running two hundred metre long trains at a frequency of twenty-four trains per hour in both directions.
Add to that the existing services of the Central, Circle, District, Metropolitan and Waterloo and City Lines of the Underground and National Rail services out of Cannon Street, Fenchurch Street, Liverpool Street and Moorgate, all of which will be upgraded and I believe that at some point in the future, the City of London, will take the bold and very green step of making the whole area a pedestrian-only one, with the only vehicles allowed in the day, being approved electrical ones.
It would be a bold move, but it have several positive effects.
- Air quality would improve.
- The City would be the place to work!
- The City would become one of London’s major tourist attractions, with visitors able to walk all across from St. Pauls to the Tower and the River.
- Innovation would work to provide the services a city needed despite the restrictions.
Would terrorists realise that the sort of spectaculars they love, would be more difficult and go elsewhere?
We could see a return to suicide bombers on the Underground!
Conclusions
The City of London will reinvent itself, as it does periodically with great success.
Given that Oxford Street has said that it will pedestrianise by 2020, are we seeing a green transport revolution?
I can think of a few other cities and towns, that could follow London’s example.










































































