Manchester Piccadilly Station Platform Layout
In this post, I will look at the current platform layout at Manchester Piccadilly station and see if it could be updated for High Speed Two.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the current platform layout at the station.
Note.
- There are twelve platforms in the main station, which are numbered 1 to 12 from North to South.
- There are also two platforms to the South of the main station, which are on the Castlefield Corridor and numbered 13 and 14.
- The current Avanti West Coast services use Platforms 5 to 8.
- Platforms 1 to 8 seem well-spaced.
- The Internet gives the length of Platform 1 as 238 metres, so it can be used as a ruler on all the platforms.
- The green tracks are for the Manchester Metrolink, which runs under the station.
I will now take a detailed look at the four platforms used by Avanti West Coast services, which are 5 to 8.
- The platforms are 340, 277, 277 and 340 metres long respectively.
- All four platforms can handle 11-car Pendolino Class 390 trains, which are 265.3 metres long.
- All four platforms will also handle 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible trains, which will be 200 metres long.
- The platforms also seem to have a straight run-in to the buffers, which is about 260 metres long.
- This straight section is long enough to accommodate an 11-car Pendolino or an 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train.
I would think it reasonable that an 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train could take over the service of an 11-car Pendolino, but running on HS2 infrastructure, where it exists.
The current Avanti West Coast service to Manchester Piccadilly is as follows.
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Milton Keynes Central, Rugby, Stoke-on-Trent, Macclesfield and Stockport
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Nuneaton, Stoke-on-Trent and Stockport
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Stafford, Crewe, Wilmslow and Stockport
In the original design for HS2, this was the service pattern.
Note.
- Trains to the left of the vertical black line are Phase 1 and those to the right are Phase 2.
- Full-Size trains are shown in blue.
- Classic-Compatible trains are shown in yellow.
- The dotted circles are where trains split and join.
- In the red boxes routes alternate every hour.
Click on the diagram to enlarge it.
Services to Manchester Piccadilly and the Manchester area are as follows.
- Train 6 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent
- Train 7 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange and Manchester Airport
- Train 8 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport
- Train 9 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport
- Train 13 – 200 m HS2 FS – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport
- Train 14 – 200 m HS2 FS – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport
Note.
- All trains are one train per hour (tph)
- Macclesfield should be able to handle one 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible train per hour, as it is shorter and has less passengers than an 11-car Pendolino.
- All Manchester Piccadilly services call at Manchester Airport.
I believe this allows two possible solutions.
- A largely tunneled solution, that gives access to enough 400 m platforms underneath or alongside Manchester Piccadilly station.
- An interim solution, that replaces 11-car Pendolinos with 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
I will answer this question first.
Will HS2 Use A Tunnel Between Manchester Airport And Manchester Piccadilly Station?
I asked Google AI and received this answer.
Yes, in the original HS2 proposals, a 7.5-mile twin-bore tunnel was planned to run between Manchester Airport and the Ardwick area, surfacing near Manchester Piccadilly. This tunnel was designed to carry the high-speed line underneath the built-up areas of south Manchester and into the terminal station.
Key Details of the Proposed Tunnel:
Purpose: To connect the new Manchester Airport High Speed Station with Manchester Piccadilly station.
Structure: A 7.5-mile (approx. 12km) twin tunnel.
Route: Following the airport, the line would enter the tunnel, traveling towards Piccadilly station.
Location: The tunnel handles the approach to Manchester city centre, allowing the high-speed tracks to bypass surface-level congestion in the south Manchester suburbs.
Note: While this was the planned route for Phase 2b, the future of the northern leg of HS2 has been subject to change and government reviews, which may impact these designs
The Full Solution
This will entail the following.
- A two-platform underground station at Manchester Airport, that is capable of handling 400 m. HS2 Full-Size trains.
- A large enough extension to Manchester Piccadilly station that is capable of terminating enough 400 m. HS2 Full-Size trains.
- The extension to Manchester Piccadilly station could be underneath or alongside, the current station.
- A 7.5 mile twin-bore tunnel between the two stations.
I also believe the full solution will need the completion of the high speed line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
That would be an expensive and difficult solution, so we will need an interim solution.
The Interim Solution
This will entail the following.
- All HS2 services into Manchester Piccadilly will be run by 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
- They will use Platforms 5 to 8 in Manchester Piccadilly station, which are 340, 277, 277 and 340 metres long respectively.
- The Manchester Piccadilly services will not call at Manchester Airport.
- The Macclesfield service will run to serve Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent.
- I also believe the interim solution will not need the completion of the high speed line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
My project management experience leads me to believe, that after HS2 is completed to Handsacre junction, Manchester Piccadilly station could be served by 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
How Many Trains Will The Interim Solution Run Through The Trent Valley Line?
If the interim solution is to work, then HS2 trains for North of Handsacre Junction will have to take their chances on the Trent Valley Line.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the route of the Trent Valley Line between Handsacre Junction and Crewe.
Note.
- Stafford station is marked with a blue arrow.
- Crewe station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- Lichfield Trent Valley station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The Northern end of HS2 is should dotted around Lichfield Trent Valley station
- Rugeley Trent Valley station is to the North-West of Lichfield Trent Valley station.
- Crewe, Stafford, Rugeley Trent Valley and Lichfield Trent Valley stations are all on the Trent Valley Line, which runs North-West and South-East across the map.
- Handsacre junction is to the North of Lichfield Trent Valley station and links the North end of HS2 to the the Trent Valley Line.
This second OpenRailwayMap shows Handsacre junction in more detail.
Note.
- Rugeley Trent Valley station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- Lichfield Trent Valley station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The Trent Valley Line runs diagonally across the map between the two stations.
- The route of HS2 is shown as a dotted red line in the South-East corner of the map.
- HS2 and the Trent Valley Line will join at Handsacre junction.
The stub of HS2 in the North-East corner of the map, will eventually link to Crewe.
The following services will join the Trent Valley Line at Handsacre junction.
- Train 4a – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Lancaster via Old Oak Common, Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston
- Train 4b – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Liverpool via Old Oak Common, Crewe and Runcorn
- Train 5 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Liverpool via Old Oak Common, Crewe and Runcorn
- Train 6 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent
- Train 7 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange
- Train 8 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common
- Train 9 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common
- Train 10a – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- Train 10b – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- Train 11a – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- Train 11b – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International, Preston and Carlisle
- Train 12 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley/Glasgow Central via Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme, Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Carstairs and Edinburgh Haymarket/Motherwell
- Train 13 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly
- Train 14 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly
Note.
- All trains are one train per hour (tph)
- Train 4 splits and joins at Crewe, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 10 splits and joins at Carlisle, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 11 splits and joins at Carlisle, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 12 runs alternatively to Edinburgh Haymarket and Edinburgh Waverley/Motherwell and Glasgow Central.
In any hour, it looks like eight single trains and three pairs will run along the Trent Valley Line.
How Close In Minutes Can Trains Run On The Trent Valley Line?
I asked Google AI and received this answer.
On the modernised Trent Valley Line (part of the West Coast Main Line), trains can run at high frequencies, often with fast, long-distance services operating with headway (spacing) of approximately 3 to 5 minutes, though typically, a 2-4 train per hour per direction service pattern is standard, equating to 15–30 minute intervals between similar services.
Capacity: The line is a four-track railway between Rugby and Stafford, allowing fast, long-distance express trains (up to 125 mph) to overtake slower, local, and freight trains.
Service Frequency: High-frequency, high-speed travel is standard.
Constraints: While the infrastructure supports close spacing, schedules are constrained by capacity at major bottlenecks and the requirement for consistent track maintenance.
It’s probably tight, but not impossibly so. Especially, as Train 6 to Macclesfield cuts off through Stoke-on-Tent after Stafford.
What Is The Capacity Of Each Train Timetable Between London Euston And Manchester Piccadilly/Macclesfield?
Consider.
- An 11-car Pendolino has 607 seats.
- I’m assuming all Pendolinos are 11-car trains.
- An 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train has 504 seats.
- I’m assuming that HS2 Full Size trains have the same capacity as the Classic Compatible trains.
These are figures for each timetable.
Current Timetable
3 x 11-car Pendolino = 1,821 seats. per hour
Interim Timetable
4 x 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains = 2,016 seats per hour, which is a 10.7 % increase over today.
Full Timetable
7 x 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains = 3,538 seats per hour, which is a 93.7 % increase over today.
How Many Trains Run On Each Section Of HS2?
Current Timetable
None
Interim Timetable
These are my estimates of trains per hour on each section.
- London Euston and Birmingham – 11 tph
- Birmingham and Stafford – 11 tph
- Stafford and Crewe – 10 tph
- Stafford and Macclesfield – 1 tph
- Crewe and Liverpool – 2 tph
- Crewe and Manchester Piccadilly – 5 tph
- Crewe and Preston – 4 tph
- Preston and Lancaster – 4 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh Waverley – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow Central – 2.5 tph
There would appear to be spare capacity for up to six trains per hour, South of Crewe.
Full Timetable
These are my estimates of trains per hour on each section.
- London Euston and Birmingham – 11 tph
- Birmingham and Stafford – 11 tph
- Stafford and Crewe – 10 tph
- Stafford and Macclesfield – 1 tph
- Crewe and Liverpool – 2 tph
- Crewe and Manchester Airport- 5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly – 5 tph
- Crewe and Preston – 4 tph
- Preston and Lancaster – 4 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh Waverley – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow Central – 2.5 tph
There would still appear to be spare capacity for up to six trains per hour, South of Crewe.
Conclusions
Theses are my conclusions.
- There Are At Least Six Free Train Paths In Every Hour Between London And Crewe
This is partly because the Eastern leg was cancelled. But it does seem silly to waste them.
I believe Blackpool would be a good place to serve and I said so in Could High Speed Two Serve Blackpool North?
Other possible places would be Chester, Holyhead and Scotland.
2. There Will Need To Be A Tunnel To Connect Manchester Piccadilly And Manchester Airport
This is because you can’t knock all the houses down to build the link.
The Channel Tunnel Rail Link is tunnelled under Dalston in East London for the same reason.
3. Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Airport services will be five Trains Per Hour
Two of these five trains will go to Birmingham Curzon Street and three to London Euston.
I would expect that the Manchester Tunnel will be an important project for the finances of Manchester Airport.
4. When The Manchester Tunnel Is Built, This Will Double Seat Capacity Between London And Manchester Piccadilly
This is because it will allow 400 metre trains between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly.
5. HS2 Can Run To Manchester Without Building The Manchester Tunnel Or A High Speed Line Between Crewe And Birmingham
This surprised me at first, but it appears, that it’s because HS2 Classic-Compatible trains are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos.
6. HS2 Can’t Run To Manchester Airport Without Building the Manchester Tunnel.
It’s all because of the houses in between.
7. Single 200 m. HS2 Classic Compatible trains, Can Use The Unmodified Manchester Piccadilly.
This is because they are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos. But pairs can’t, as they are too long!
8. Stockport Gets A Raw Deal From HS2
Currently, Stockport, gets three 11-car Pendolino services between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly.
Under the Interim Solution, these services will continue as HS2 Classic-Compatible trains are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos.
But under the Full Solution, HS2 trains will be in the Manchester Tunnel between Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
9. The Interim Solution Will Work
I am more and more convinced, that a proposed solution which entails the following will work.
- A new service from London Euston to Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent is introduced.
- 11-car Pendolinos are replaced by 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible trains, which are shorter.
- The Trent Valley Line is updated, so that it can handle 11 trains per hour, that will eventually be transferred to the new HS2 line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
- London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly will get three trains per hour via HS2 to Handsacre junction the Trent Valley Line.
- There will be no major work to be done at Manchester Piccadilly.
- Three trains per hour between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly could still call at Stockport.
I also believe that this solution can be easily built, as it is mainly improving the existing route between Handsacre junction and Manchester Piccadilly via Crewe and Stockport.
Where Is Handsacre Junction?
Handsacre Junction is where High Speed Two trains from London Euston and Birmingham will join the Trent Valley Line to complete their journeys via Stafford and Crewe.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the junction.
Note.
- The solid red track going diagonally across the map is the Trent Valley Line, which is a section of the West Coast Main Line.
- The station on the Trent Valley Line at the top of the map is Rugeley Trent Valley.
- The station on the Trent Valley Line at the bottom of the map is Lichfield Trent Valley.
- The dotted tracks running North-South show the proposed route of High Speed Two.
- Only the dashed sections of tracks will be built for Phase 1 of High Speed Two.
From the map, I estimate that that High Speed Two will join the Trent Valley Line at the mid-way point between the two stations.
According to Real Time Trains, the stations are these distances from Euston.
- Lichfield Trent Valley – 116.4 miles
- Rugeley Trent Valley – 124.4 miles
So this puts Handsacre Junction at 120.4 miles from Euston.
Searching the Internet, I find the distance between Euston and Handsacre Junction on High Speed Two as 192.77 km. or 119.8 miles.
It would appear that the High Speed Two route is 0.6 mile longer.
Euston And Handsacre Junction Times
This table shows Euston and Handsacre junction times at various speeds.
High Speed Two Average Speed – 205 mph – 35 mins.
Class 390 Train Average Speed – 140 mph – 51 mins.
Euston And Glasgow Central Times
If I assume, that the trains take the same three hours and 47 minutes between Handsacre junction and Glasgow Central as Class 390 trains do now, I get these times.
High Speed Two Average Speed – 205 mph – 4 hour and 22 mins.
Class 390 Train Average Speed – 140 mph – 4 hours and 38 mins.
Euston And Liverpool Lime Street Times
If I assume, that the trains take the same 71 minutes between Handsacre junction and Liverpool Lime Street as Class 390 trains do now, I get these times.
High Speed Two Average Speed – 205 mph – 1 hour and 46 mins.
Class 390 Train Average Speed – 140 mph – 2 hours and 2 mins.
Euston And Manchester Piccadilly Times
If I assume, that the trains take the same 66 minutes between Handsacre junction and Manchester Piccadilly as Class 390 trains do now, I get these times.
High Speed Two Average Speed – 205 mph – 1 hour and 41 mins.
Class 390 Train Average Speed – 140 mph – 1 hours and 57 mins.
A Trip Around The West Midlands
Today, I did a trip around the West Midlands, using five different trains.
Tain 1 – 19:10 – Chiltern – London Marylebone To Leamington Spa
This was one of Chiltern’s rakes of Mark 3 coaches hauled by a Class 68 locomotive.
I like these trains.
- They are comfortable.
- Everybody gets a table and half sit by a big window.
- There is more space than Virgin Train’s Class 390 trains.
- They may be slower, but they are fast enough for most journeys I make.
The train arrived seven minutes late at Leamington Spa at 11:32.
Train 2 – 12:02 – West Midlands Trains – Leamington Spa To Nuneaton
This is a new West Midlands Trains service, via the new station at Kenilworth and Coventry.
The trains are Class 172 trains, that used to run on the Gospel Oak to Barking Line.
Note.
- The have been repainted and refreshed.
- The seat cover on the driver’s seat is a relic of the London Overground.
- The train now has a toilet.
The train was about half-full and I got the impression, that the new service had been well-received.
The train arrived on time at Nuneaton at 12:38.
Train 3 – 12:54 – West Midlands Trains – Nuneaton to Rugeley Trent Valley
The train was a Class 350 train and it arrived eight minutes late at 13:29.
These pictures show Rugeley Trent Valley station.
It is very minimal with just a shelter, a basic footbridge and no information on how or where to buy a ticket.
Passengers deserve better than this!
Train 4 – 13:43 – West Midlands Trains – Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham New Street
This is a new West Midlands Trains electric service.
Compared to the Leamington Spa to Nuneaton service, passengers were spread rather thinly in the train.
The train was a Class 350 train and it arrived five minutes late at 14:44.
Train 5 – 15:55 – Chiltern – Birmingham Moor Street to London Marylebone
Another comfortable Chiltern Railways train back to London, which arrived four minutes late at 17:47.
Customer Service
Customer service and especially that from West Midlands Trains was rather patchy.
- Leamington Spa station was rebuilding the entrance, but staff were around.
- Nuneaton station was very quiet.
- Rugeley Trent Valley station needs a lot of improvement.
- The two Birmingham City Centre stations were much better.
I actually had to travel ticketless from Rugeley Trent Valley to Birmingham New Street, as the Conductor on the train didn’t check the tickets.
But Virgin Trains were very professional at Birmingham New Street.
Service Pattern
I have some observations on the service patterns.
- For comfort reasons, I would prefer that Chiltern ran Mark 3 coaches and Class 68 locomotives on all Birmingham services.
- In the future, it looks like Leamington Spa and Nuneaton needs at least a half-hourly service.
- There definitely needs to be more services on the Chase Line.
There also is a serious need for staff and better facilities at Rugeley Trent Valley station.
No-one even a hardened member of the SAS would want to spend thirty minutes changing trains there on a blustery and cold winter’s day.
Conclusion
I tried two new services today, that started on the May 2019 timetable change.
- A diesel service between Leamington Spa and Nuneaton via Kenilworth and Coventry.
- An electrified service between Rugeley Trent Valley and Birmingham New Street.
The first would appear to be what passengers want, but the second needs a bit of promoting.
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