Uttoxeter Station – 14th October 2026
Becuse Uttoxeter station could be on a possible open access service between St. Pancras and Manchester Piccadilly stations, I went and had a look.
My father would have made a comment about Molotov as regards this station.
Molotov had this reputation for always saying no.
This station is rather short in its list of facilities.
- It has no lifts for the footbridge.
- It has no staff.
- There was no obvious information about local transport.
- I saw no details of how to get a taxi.
- There were no litter bins on Platform 1.
- Poor early and late trains.
I believe this station needs a lot of improvement.
These are my thoughts.
Are Any Improvements Planned At Uttoxeter Station?
I thought I had better ask this question of Google AI first, so I didn’t repeat myself.
Google AI gave me this answer to the question.
Several service and timetable improvements are planned for Uttoxeter station:
Sunday Train Timetable Changes: Starting in December 2026, Sunday train services through Uttoxeter and Tutbury will be expanded to run from 9:30 AM onward, removing the previous restriction where trains did not start until after 3:00 PM.
Local Campaign for Increased Frequency: Local campaigns and discussions with East Midlands Railway (EMR) and Network Rail are underway to assess adding more frequent local train services and extra carriages on the Derby-to-Crewe line, including through Uttoxeter.
Proposed Open Access Services: Grand Central Trains has submitted an application for a new open access train service connecting Manchester Piccadilly and London St. Pancras that would call at Uttoxeter (proposing five trains per day).
Regional Infrastructure Upgrades: Network Rail has conducted ongoing infrastructure and track-renewal works across Derbyshire and Staffordshire (such as recent upgrades near Wychnor Viaduct and Clay Mills level crossing) to improve overall line reliability for services passing through Uttoxeter.
Note.
- When I visited the station, a guy complained to me about train times.
- I took one train to Uttoxeter and one from the station. Both were crowded.
- I believe Grand Central Trains service between London St. Pancras and Manchester Piccadilly will be a winner.
- Good to see that a level crossing has been removed.
Nothing seems to be planned, except for the better timetable.
Would Adding The Open Access Service Be Welcomed?
The open access service could have these effects.
- Five more trains in each direction would add more capacity.
- Trains could be timetabled to run in busy times.
- Early and late trains, would benefit shift workers.
- Running to London St. Pancras would connect to Continental services in the same station.
- Running to stations like Derby, Leicester, Stoke-on-Trent, Stockport and Manchester Piccadilly would widen the employee catchment area for employers in Uttoxeter.
- Alton Towers, JCB and Uttoxeter racecourse would probably all benefit from a direct train service to London St. Pancras, Derby, Stockport and Manchester.
Andy Burnham says he wants growth. Surely these five trains in each direction would inject growth into Uttoxeter and the surrounding area.
A Decent Bus Service To Local Attraction Would Be Needed
I took these pictures today of a small bus in London.
Note.
- It is a Wrightbus GB Kite electric bus.
- It was built in Northern Ireland.
- Wrightbus is owned by Lord Bamford’s son.
- Lord Bamford’s family own JCB.
I’m sure the family can agree on a deal to make Uttoxeter a must-visit place.
Will JCB And Alton Towers Like The New Manchester Piccadilly And St. Pancras Rail Service At Uttoxeter Station?
Grand Central Trains have applied for an open access service between Manchester Piccadilly and St. Pancras stations.
- This service will call at Stockport, Macclesfield, Congleton, Stoke-on-Trent, Uttoxeter, Derby, Loughborough, Leicester, Wellingborough and Luton Airport Parkway.
- Grand Central Trains are asking for five trains per day.
- JCB and Alton Towers are the two largest employers in the area and employ more than a few thousand between them.
- The JCB headquarters and factory are 5.6 miles from Uttoxeter station.
- Alton Towers is 10 miles from Uttoxeter station.
- Alton Towers have given the new train service their backing.
- The current local train service through Uttoxeter is only an hourly diesel service between Crewe and Lincoln, with additional calls at Stoke-on-Trent, Derby and Nottingham.
- Trains seem to call at Uttoxeter between 07:00 and 22:00.
I suspect that this train service may not be enough.
I have some questions and thoughts.
What Trains Will Be Used For The Manchester Piccadilly And St. Pancras Rail Service?
Initially, it is likely, that hand-me-down Class 180 trains will be used.
- They are five-car diesel trains.
- As they are only 116.52 metres long, they are less than 120 metre, so they will fit the platforms at St. Pancras.
- They are 125 mph trains.
I have problems with their air-conditioning.
I am sure, that JCB, Alton Towers and all their employees and visitors would prefer a mouse-quiet zero-carbon train and Grand Central Trains have some Class 820 trains on order from Hitachi.
- They are five-car tri-mode trains.
- They will have to have 24 metre cars, so they will fit the platforms at St. Pancras.
- They are 125 mph trains.
They will use battery power between Kilby Bridge junction and Stoke-on-Trent station, which is about 71 miles.
How Long Will St. Pancras And Uttoxeter Take?
Consider.
- The fastest time between St. Pancras and Derby stations takes 87 minutes
- A Class 170 train takes 26 minutes between Derby and Uttoxeter.
I believe that with a few minutes for the driver to change ends at Derby, that St. Pancras and Uttoxeter stations will be under two hours.
I asked Google AI, how long it would take to drive and received this reply.
Driving between Uttoxeter and London takes approximately 2 hours and 44 minutes to 3 hours and 4 minutes, depending on the route you choose.
That is an impressive saving.
Do Alton Towers And JCB Have Difficulty Getting Local Employees?
I asked this question of Google AI and received this answer.
Yes, Alton Towers and JCB face persistent and unique challenges when it comes to recruiting and retaining local employees. Both companies are the dominant, marquee employers in the rural area of Staffordshire Moorlands, but their location and operational models create distinct logistical and competitive hurdles.
The two primary factors causing recruitment and retention difficulties include:
- Inaccessible Rural Locations & Public Transport Barriers
According to local planning and infrastructure assessments published by Staffordshire Authorities, both Alton Towers and JCB operate vast facilities in highly rural pockets of the county.
The Public Transport Gap: Local public transport options are heavily limited and typically do not run late enough or early enough to match the shift patterns of either employer.
The Commute Burden: Reviews from local workers on platforms like SimplyHired note that non-driving local staff face highly stressful or prolonged commutes (sometimes taking up to two hours via limited staff shuttle buses), which quickly makes entry-level or minimum-wage roles financially non-viable.
2. Wage and Poaching Competition Between the Two
Because they pull from the exact same local labor pool in neighboring towns like Cheadle and Uttoxeter, they often find themselves in direct competition for workers, creating a localized hiring tug-of-war.
The Pay Disparity: Users on Reddit’s AltonTowers forum point out that Alton Towers struggles heavily to retain staff in certain operational positions because nearby JCB acts as a “better payer,” poaching local talent away with higher industrial wages.
Seasonal vs. Year-Round Stability: Alton Towers’ recruitment model relies heavily on hiring roughly 1,500 to 2,500 seasonal workers annually who are let go between November and March. Local school-leavers and workers frequently jump from Alton Towers to JCB when looking for permanent, year-round manufacturing contracts.
There are some obvious things, that could be done to ease getting to Alton Towers and JCB.
Do Alton Towers And JCB Have Visitors From London And The Nearby Continent?
I asked this question of Google AI and received this answer.
Yes, both Alton Towers and JCB attract significant numbers of visitors from London and mainland Europe. Because both attractions are located close to each other in Staffordshire, England, they draw heavily from the capital city as well as international tourists through well-established transportation links.
Alton Towers Resort
As the UK’s largest theme park, Alton Towers welcomes over 2.5 million visitors annually.
Visitors from London: Londoners make up a large segment of the park’s domestic traffic. Travelers frequently make the trip from London Euston to Stoke-on-Trent via Avanti West Coast trains, which takes approximately 1 hour and 40 minutes before a short connecting taxi ride to the gates. Numerous direct coach excursions also depart regularly from London neighborhoods like Wembley and East Ham.
Visitors from the Continent: European theme park enthusiasts routinely include Alton Towers in UK vacation packages to experience its world-renowned “white-knuckle” rollercoasters (like The Smiler or Nemesis Reborn). International tourists commonly fly into nearby hubs like Manchester Airport (MAN) or travel up via the Eurostar and London rail connections.
JCB World Headquarters & Factory Tours
Located in Rocester, the JCB World Headquarters operates a highly popular VIP Visitor Centre and public factory tour experience.
Visitors from London: Industrial tourism and corporate groups frequently travel from London for the 2.5-hour “Story of JCB” manufacturing walkthrough. The company heavily markets to the London crowd, recently launching major public showcases directly outside London’s King’s Cross Station to celebrate its milestones.
Visitors from the Continent: Because JCB is a global powerhouse in construction and agriculture, its Staffordshire headquarters is a major destination for European dealership delegations, commercial buyers, and equipment enthusiasts from France, Germany, and the Netherlands.
On this cursory look, it would appear that for both attractions, a direct train service from Uttoxeter station could make travel easier.
Would Early And Late Trains Between Say Leicester And Stockport Via Derby Help Alton Towers’s And JCB’s Recruitment?
Yes, introducing early and late train services between Leicester and Stockport via Derby would significantly boost recruitment for both Alton Towers and JCB. Both major employers are located in semi-rural Staffordshire, and their primary staffing constraint is the severe lack of viable public transport matching their unsociable shift patterns.
A rail service connecting Leicester and Stockport via the Crewe-Derby line passes directly through Uttoxeter, which serves as the main transit gateway for both companies.
Alleviating the Alton Towers Commute Crisis
Alton Towers relies on thousands of seasonal workers, ride hosts, and hospitality staff who are often younger and do not drive due to high insurance costs. On platforms like Reddit, staff agree that the limited existing employee bus schedules result in grueling 16-hour days due to poorly timed drop-offs and pick-ups.
Late-Night Events: Key seasonal periods like Scarefest require staff to work late cleaning and hospitality shifts ending past 11:00 PM.
Urban Talent Pools: Early and late trains would allow workers living in major urban hubs like Derby, Stoke-on-Trent, and the surrounding regions to commute reliably without needing to rely on expensive taxis or restricted private buses.
Unlocking Shift Coverage for JCB
JCB’s main manufacturing and logistics clusters are centered around Rocester and Uttoxeter. A major portion of their workforce operates on rigid shift patterns (such as 6:00 AM starts or late evening finishes).
Apprentice Mobility: JCB runs joint mechatronics apprenticeships where students spend their first 22 months training at Toyota in Derby before transitioning to the Uttoxeter sites. Better early/late rail links between Derby and Uttoxeter would directly ease this cross-county relocation friction.
Widening the Demographic: Reviews from recruitment groups on Facebook emphasize that confirming shift logistics is the hardest part of securing employment at JCB for younger workers. Reliable, early-morning transit expands their hiring radius to encompass South Manchester (Stockport) and the East Midlands (Derby/Leicester).
It certainly looks like early and late trains would be valuable to both attractions.
But it doesn’t have to be a full London Manchester service with an expensive train. I’m sure Alstom at Derby could build a four-car Adessia battery-electric train, that could handle the route, which would also be suitable for the local Crewe and Lincoln service.
UK’s Iconic Jodrell Bank Telescope Faces Axe In Science Cuts
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
This is the sub-heading.
The Jodrell Bank Observatory, which has housed the UK’s largest telescope for nearly 70 years, has lost its funding and could now close, the BBC understands.
These two paragraphs add more details.
The observatory and its network of telescopes have been pivotal to the country’s study of distant galaxies and training future astronomers. Scientists have described the decision as “heartbreaking” and “scientifically misguided”.
All scientific observations at Jodrell are expected to cease on the 1 April 2028 unless alternative funding can be found.
I consider the government decision to be vandalism of the highest order.
This Google Map shows the Jodrell Bank site.
Note.
- The radio telescope is indicated by a red arrow.
- Going across the North-West corner of the map is the West Coast Main Line between London and Manchester Piccadilly.
- The red dot, which is labelled SKAO indicates the SKA Observatory, which has this web site.
This is on the home page.
Building the two largest telescope arrays in the world, located in South Africa and Australia, made possible through a global collaboration.
Jodrell Bank is a UNESCO World Heritage Site.
I have some thoughts.
I Was A Keen Amateur Astronomer At School
I went to Minchenden Grammar School in North London, where the school had Prince Albert’s six-inch refracting telescope for observations.
I can also remember a smaller reflecting telescope being setup outside the cricket pavilion to observe a partial eclipse of the sun.
Google AI lists three partial solar eclipses in London in the 1960s.
February 15, 1961: A deep partial dawn eclipse showing 92% to 95% coverage of the Sun in Southern England. It featured early television coverage and coincided with the exact day the movie Barabbas filmed its crucifixion scene during totality in Southern Europe.
September 22, 1968: A daytime partial eclipse where about one-third of the Sun was blocked. Skies over London cleared after 11:00 a.m., prompting the Junior Astronomical Society to set up projection telescopes in St. James’s Park.
May 20, 1966: Another visible partial solar event tracked across the UK, though with lighter public observation in the capital.
As the eclipse wasn’t 92 % to 95 % coverage and I would have been in Liverpool in 1968, I suspect it was the eclipse of May 20, 1966.
I Was Of The Generation That Grew Up With Jodrell Bank
The iconic Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope opened in 1957, which would be about the time, I started Minchenden Grammar School and was able to have access to their optical telescope.
So I grew up with Jodrell Bank Radio Telescope, although I’ve never visited.
I Feel Very Strongly That Jodrell Bank Needs A Convenient Rail Connection
This page on the Jodrell Bank web site, gives these instructions on how to get there by rail.
The most convenient station is at Macclesfield, which is on the West Coast Mainline from London Euston to Manchester. On arrival at Macclesfield you will then need to take a 20-minute taxi ride to the Jodrell Bank. The taxi rank is directly outside the main exit from Macclesfield station.
There is also a station in the nearby village of Goostrey, on the line between Manchester and Crewe. It is a 2.5 mile walk from there along narrow country lanes and so we advise booking a taxi for this part of the journey. Note, you’ll need to do this in advance as there is no taxi rank at the station.
The Wikipedia entry for Goostrey station says this about the train service at the station.
There is an hourly service between Manchester Piccadilly, Stockport and Crewe on Monday – Saturday, which is every two hours on Sunday.
I don’t know much about scheduling buses, but I don’t think it would be too difficult to have an electric shuttle bus, ferry visitors between Goostrey station and the telescope site.
If the rail route to the telescope proved popular, it might even be possible to arrange that the occasional express stopped at Goostrey station.
Could Jodrell Bank Be Developed Into An Astronomy Experience For The North?
Real Time Trains reveals that to and from Goostrey station, you can reach a range of stations including.
- Birmingham New Street
- Bournemouth
- Cardiff Central
- Crewe
- London Euston
- Manchester Airport
- Manchester Piccadilly
- Milford Haven
- Reading
- Shrewsbury
- Swansea
The hourly services to Manchester Piccadilly and Crewe add a lot more destinations with a single change.
I Suspect Jodrell Bank Creates Work For SMEs In The Area
It is my experience that universities, research organisations and scientific establishments create networks of SMEs around their location, to do specialist jobs, they feel are best done by specialist contractors.
Jodrell Bank is close to the three large cities of Liverpool, Manchester and Sheffield and I suspect, that most sub-contracts can be handled in the area.
Conclusion
I believe that with input from the Mayors and University Vice-Chancellors of the North, Jodrell Bank could be developed into an engine of growth for the North of England.
Manchester Piccadilly Station Platform Layout
In this post, I will look at the current platform layout at Manchester Piccadilly station and see if it could be updated for High Speed Two.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the current platform layout at the station.
Note.
- There are twelve platforms in the main station, which are numbered 1 to 12 from North to South.
- There are also two platforms to the South of the main station, which are on the Castlefield Corridor and numbered 13 and 14.
- The current Avanti West Coast services use Platforms 5 to 8.
- Platforms 1 to 8 seem well-spaced.
- The Internet gives the length of Platform 1 as 238 metres, so it can be used as a ruler on all the platforms.
- The green tracks are for the Manchester Metrolink, which runs under the station.
I will now take a detailed look at the four platforms used by Avanti West Coast services, which are 5 to 8.
- The platforms are 340, 277, 277 and 340 metres long respectively.
- All four platforms can handle 11-car Pendolino Class 390 trains, which are 265.3 metres long.
- All four platforms will also handle 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible trains, which will be 200 metres long.
- The platforms also seem to have a straight run-in to the buffers, which is about 260 metres long.
- This straight section is long enough to accommodate an 11-car Pendolino or an 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train.
I would think it reasonable that an 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train could take over the service of an 11-car Pendolino, but running on HS2 infrastructure, where it exists.
The current Avanti West Coast service to Manchester Piccadilly is as follows.
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Milton Keynes Central, Rugby, Stoke-on-Trent, Macclesfield and Stockport
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Nuneaton, Stoke-on-Trent and Stockport
- 1 tph – 9-car or 11-car – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Stafford, Crewe, Wilmslow and Stockport
In the original design for HS2, this was the service pattern.
Note.
- Trains to the left of the vertical black line are Phase 1 and those to the right are Phase 2.
- Full-Size trains are shown in blue.
- Classic-Compatible trains are shown in yellow.
- The dotted circles are where trains split and join.
- In the red boxes routes alternate every hour.
Click on the diagram to enlarge it.
Services to Manchester Piccadilly and the Manchester area are as follows.
- Train 6 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent
- Train 7 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange and Manchester Airport
- Train 8 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport
- Train 9 – 400 m HS2 FS – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport
- Train 13 – 200 m HS2 FS – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport
- Train 14 – 200 m HS2 FS – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport
Note.
- All trains are one train per hour (tph)
- Macclesfield should be able to handle one 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible train per hour, as it is shorter and has less passengers than an 11-car Pendolino.
- All Manchester Piccadilly services call at Manchester Airport.
I believe this allows two possible solutions.
- A largely tunneled solution, that gives access to enough 400 m platforms underneath or alongside Manchester Piccadilly station.
- An interim solution, that replaces 11-car Pendolinos with 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
I will answer this question first.
Will HS2 Use A Tunnel Between Manchester Airport And Manchester Piccadilly Station?
I asked Google AI and received this answer.
Yes, in the original HS2 proposals, a 7.5-mile twin-bore tunnel was planned to run between Manchester Airport and the Ardwick area, surfacing near Manchester Piccadilly. This tunnel was designed to carry the high-speed line underneath the built-up areas of south Manchester and into the terminal station.
Key Details of the Proposed Tunnel:
Purpose: To connect the new Manchester Airport High Speed Station with Manchester Piccadilly station.
Structure: A 7.5-mile (approx. 12km) twin tunnel.
Route: Following the airport, the line would enter the tunnel, traveling towards Piccadilly station.
Location: The tunnel handles the approach to Manchester city centre, allowing the high-speed tracks to bypass surface-level congestion in the south Manchester suburbs.
Note: While this was the planned route for Phase 2b, the future of the northern leg of HS2 has been subject to change and government reviews, which may impact these designs
The Full Solution
This will entail the following.
- A two-platform underground station at Manchester Airport, that is capable of handling 400 m. HS2 Full-Size trains.
- A large enough extension to Manchester Piccadilly station that is capable of terminating enough 400 m. HS2 Full-Size trains.
- The extension to Manchester Piccadilly station could be underneath or alongside, the current station.
- A 7.5 mile twin-bore tunnel between the two stations.
I also believe the full solution will need the completion of the high speed line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
That would be an expensive and difficult solution, so we will need an interim solution.
The Interim Solution
This will entail the following.
- All HS2 services into Manchester Piccadilly will be run by 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
- They will use Platforms 5 to 8 in Manchester Piccadilly station, which are 340, 277, 277 and 340 metres long respectively.
- The Manchester Piccadilly services will not call at Manchester Airport.
- The Macclesfield service will run to serve Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent.
- I also believe the interim solution will not need the completion of the high speed line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
My project management experience leads me to believe, that after HS2 is completed to Handsacre junction, Manchester Piccadilly station could be served by 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains.
How Many Trains Will The Interim Solution Run Through The Trent Valley Line?
If the interim solution is to work, then HS2 trains for North of Handsacre Junction will have to take their chances on the Trent Valley Line.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the route of the Trent Valley Line between Handsacre Junction and Crewe.
Note.
- Stafford station is marked with a blue arrow.
- Crewe station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- Lichfield Trent Valley station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The Northern end of HS2 is should dotted around Lichfield Trent Valley station
- Rugeley Trent Valley station is to the North-West of Lichfield Trent Valley station.
- Crewe, Stafford, Rugeley Trent Valley and Lichfield Trent Valley stations are all on the Trent Valley Line, which runs North-West and South-East across the map.
- Handsacre junction is to the North of Lichfield Trent Valley station and links the North end of HS2 to the the Trent Valley Line.
This second OpenRailwayMap shows Handsacre junction in more detail.
Note.
- Rugeley Trent Valley station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- Lichfield Trent Valley station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The Trent Valley Line runs diagonally across the map between the two stations.
- The route of HS2 is shown as a dotted red line in the South-East corner of the map.
- HS2 and the Trent Valley Line will join at Handsacre junction.
The stub of HS2 in the North-East corner of the map, will eventually link to Crewe.
The following services will join the Trent Valley Line at Handsacre junction.
- Train 4a – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Lancaster via Old Oak Common, Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston
- Train 4b – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Liverpool via Old Oak Common, Crewe and Runcorn
- Train 5 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Liverpool via Old Oak Common, Crewe and Runcorn
- Train 6 – 200 m. HS2 CC – London Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent
- Train 7 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange
- Train 8 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common
- Train 9 – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common
- Train 10a – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- Train 10b – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- Train 11a – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- Train 11b – 200 m HS2 CC – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International, Preston and Carlisle
- Train 12 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley/Glasgow Central via Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme, Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Carstairs and Edinburgh Haymarket/Motherwell
- Train 13 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly
- Train 14 – 200 m HS2 CC – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly
Note.
- All trains are one train per hour (tph)
- Train 4 splits and joins at Crewe, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 10 splits and joins at Carlisle, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 11 splits and joins at Carlisle, so runs as a 400 m train on the Trent Valley Line.
- Train 12 runs alternatively to Edinburgh Haymarket and Edinburgh Waverley/Motherwell and Glasgow Central.
In any hour, it looks like eight single trains and three pairs will run along the Trent Valley Line.
How Close In Minutes Can Trains Run On The Trent Valley Line?
I asked Google AI and received this answer.
On the modernised Trent Valley Line (part of the West Coast Main Line), trains can run at high frequencies, often with fast, long-distance services operating with headway (spacing) of approximately 3 to 5 minutes, though typically, a 2-4 train per hour per direction service pattern is standard, equating to 15–30 minute intervals between similar services.
Capacity: The line is a four-track railway between Rugby and Stafford, allowing fast, long-distance express trains (up to 125 mph) to overtake slower, local, and freight trains.
Service Frequency: High-frequency, high-speed travel is standard.
Constraints: While the infrastructure supports close spacing, schedules are constrained by capacity at major bottlenecks and the requirement for consistent track maintenance.
It’s probably tight, but not impossibly so. Especially, as Train 6 to Macclesfield cuts off through Stoke-on-Tent after Stafford.
What Is The Capacity Of Each Train Timetable Between London Euston And Manchester Piccadilly/Macclesfield?
Consider.
- An 11-car Pendolino has 607 seats.
- I’m assuming all Pendolinos are 11-car trains.
- An 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible train has 504 seats.
- I’m assuming that HS2 Full Size trains have the same capacity as the Classic Compatible trains.
These are figures for each timetable.
Current Timetable
3 x 11-car Pendolino = 1,821 seats. per hour
Interim Timetable
4 x 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains = 2,016 seats per hour, which is a 10.7 % increase over today.
Full Timetable
7 x 8-car 200 m. HS2 Classic-Compatible trains = 3,538 seats per hour, which is a 93.7 % increase over today.
How Many Trains Run On Each Section Of HS2?
Current Timetable
None
Interim Timetable
These are my estimates of trains per hour on each section.
- London Euston and Birmingham – 11 tph
- Birmingham and Stafford – 11 tph
- Stafford and Crewe – 10 tph
- Stafford and Macclesfield – 1 tph
- Crewe and Liverpool – 2 tph
- Crewe and Manchester Piccadilly – 5 tph
- Crewe and Preston – 4 tph
- Preston and Lancaster – 4 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh Waverley – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow Central – 2.5 tph
There would appear to be spare capacity for up to six trains per hour, South of Crewe.
Full Timetable
These are my estimates of trains per hour on each section.
- London Euston and Birmingham – 11 tph
- Birmingham and Stafford – 11 tph
- Stafford and Crewe – 10 tph
- Stafford and Macclesfield – 1 tph
- Crewe and Liverpool – 2 tph
- Crewe and Manchester Airport- 5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly – 5 tph
- Crewe and Preston – 4 tph
- Preston and Lancaster – 4 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh Waverley – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow Central – 2.5 tph
There would still appear to be spare capacity for up to six trains per hour, South of Crewe.
Conclusions
Theses are my conclusions.
- There Are At Least Six Free Train Paths In Every Hour Between London And Crewe
This is partly because the Eastern leg was cancelled. But it does seem silly to waste them.
I believe Blackpool would be a good place to serve and I said so in Could High Speed Two Serve Blackpool North?
Other possible places would be Chester, Holyhead and Scotland.
2. There Will Need To Be A Tunnel To Connect Manchester Piccadilly And Manchester Airport
This is because you can’t knock all the houses down to build the link.
The Channel Tunnel Rail Link is tunnelled under Dalston in East London for the same reason.
3. Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Airport services will be five Trains Per Hour
Two of these five trains will go to Birmingham Curzon Street and three to London Euston.
I would expect that the Manchester Tunnel will be an important project for the finances of Manchester Airport.
4. When The Manchester Tunnel Is Built, This Will Double Seat Capacity Between London And Manchester Piccadilly
This is because it will allow 400 metre trains between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly.
5. HS2 Can Run To Manchester Without Building The Manchester Tunnel Or A High Speed Line Between Crewe And Birmingham
This surprised me at first, but it appears, that it’s because HS2 Classic-Compatible trains are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos.
6. HS2 Can’t Run To Manchester Airport Without Building the Manchester Tunnel.
It’s all because of the houses in between.
7. Single 200 m. HS2 Classic Compatible trains, Can Use The Unmodified Manchester Piccadilly.
This is because they are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos. But pairs can’t, as they are too long!
8. Stockport Gets A Raw Deal From HS2
Currently, Stockport, gets three 11-car Pendolino services between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly.
Under the Interim Solution, these services will continue as HS2 Classic-Compatible trains are shorter than 11-car Pendolinos.
But under the Full Solution, HS2 trains will be in the Manchester Tunnel between Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
9. The Interim Solution Will Work
I am more and more convinced, that a proposed solution which entails the following will work.
- A new service from London Euston to Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent is introduced.
- 11-car Pendolinos are replaced by 8-car HS2 Classic-Compatible trains, which are shorter.
- The Trent Valley Line is updated, so that it can handle 11 trains per hour, that will eventually be transferred to the new HS2 line between Handsacre junction and Crewe.
- London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly will get three trains per hour via HS2 to Handsacre junction the Trent Valley Line.
- There will be no major work to be done at Manchester Piccadilly.
- Three trains per hour between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly could still call at Stockport.
I also believe that this solution can be easily built, as it is mainly improving the existing route between Handsacre junction and Manchester Piccadilly via Crewe and Stockport.
Ministers Sack Top Rail Adviser Who Spoke Out Over HS2 Train Debacle
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on The Times.
This is the sub-heading.
Chris Gibb, an industry veteran, said plans to shorten HS2 trains would likely inflate costs, slow services beyond Birmingham and result in fewer seats
These three paragraphs add more details.
A leading government adviser has been fired for criticising Whitehall plans to reduce the length of HS2 trains, it can be revealed.
Chris Gibb, a non-executive director of the nationalised train operator, is understood to have had his contract terminated by ministers this weekend after allegedly breaching media engagement rules.
Gibb was appointed to the board of the Department for Transport Operator Limited (DFTO) in 2020, having worked in the rail industry for more than 40 years. DFTO is the state-owned company that oversees train companies as they are brought into full public ownership.
This paragraph appears to detail what Gibb has said that caused offence.
Gibb said there was “no doubt that if HS2 opened by replacing 11-coach Pendolinos with eight-coach trains, these would be full and leave people behind on day one”.
So I will audit, what he said.
Now that Leeds is not going to be served by HS2, Manchester Piccadilly, is the only station other than Birmingham Curzon Street, that will terminate 400 m. trains, and the Birmingham station will be brand-new, so hopefully, that will be designed for the right capacity.
Manchester Piccadilly currently handles three trains per hour from London.
- Milton Keynes Central, Rugby, Stoke-on-Trent, Macclesfield and Stockport
- Nuneaton, Stoke-on-Trent and Stockport
- Stafford, Crewe, Wilmslow and Stockport
Trains are usually Class 390 11-car Pendolino with 607 seats
These will be replaced by.
- 200m. train – Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent.
- 400m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International and Manchester Airport.
- 400m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport.
- 400m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport.
Trains will be 200m 8-car HS2 train which will have 504 seats. 400m trains will be two trains running as a pair.
I can add up the hourly seats.
Currently, if the three trains per hour are 11-car Pendolinos, then the hourly London-Manchester capacity is 1821 seats.
On HS2, if the four and a half trains per hour are 8-car HS2 trains, then the hourly London-Manchester capacity is 9 x 504 or 4536 seats, or a 149% increase in capacity.
- And HS2 doesn’t serve Macclesfield, Stockport or Wilmslow!
- Four 200m. HS2 trains would give a 121 % increase in capacity.
- Perhaps, as there is spare capacity on HS2 between Crewe and London, another service could be fitted into the hourly scheme of things.
How about Blackpool?
How Many 8-car HS2 Trains Would Be Needed To Replace The Capacity Of The Current Service?
To provide an hourly London-Manchester capacity of 1821 seats with 8-car HS2 trains would need around 3.6 trains.
Even in the unreal world that in which politicians exist, I doubt fractions of a train exist.
So I suspect, a practical timetable could be.
- 200m. train – Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent.
- 200m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common, Birmingham International and Manchester Airport.
- 200m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport.
- 200m. train – Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport.
This would be 2016 hourly seats, which is an increase of about 10 %
Please check my figures, as they could explain a lot.
Manchester To London Train To Run Without Passengers
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
This is the sub-heading.
A train service taking commuters from Manchester to London is to run empty for around five months following a decision by the rail regulator.
These three paragraphs add more detail.
A decision by the Office of Rail and Road (ORR), means the 07:00 GMT service operated by Avanti West Coast from Manchester Piccadilly to London will still run but will only be used to carry staff from mid-December.
An Avanti West Coast spokesperson said they were “disappointed” with the decision, which would “clearly impact those customers who already use these services”.
An ORR spokesperson said the decision was made on “robust evidence” from Network Rail to guard against possible service disruption on the West Coast Main Line.
It is a long article on the BBC and I suspect, it is one of those, that should be fully-read before commenting.
I looked up last Friday’s service and found this.
- It was an eleven-coach Class 390 train.
- The train goes via Macclesfield, Stoke-on-Trent and Stafford, but only stops to pick up passengers at Stockport.
- It left on time at 07:00.
- It arrived in London at 09:20, which was twenty-one minutes late.
I think, I’ll see this train arrive on Monday.
Could Avanti West Coast Be Planning A Fast Service From Both Liverpool and Manchester?
Consider.
- Manchester Piccadilly has a 07:00 train to Euston, that takes two hours via Stoke-on-Trent.
- The train also stops at Stockport.
- The Manchester Piccadilly train is an eleven-car Class 390 train, that is 265.3 metres long.
- Liverpool Lime Street has a 06:43 train to Euston, that takes two hours and 11 minutes via Crewe, that stops at Runcorn.
- The Liverpool Lime Street train is a seven-car Class 807 train, that is 182 metres long.
Note.
- I wonder, if at some time in the future, these two services could both be run by seven-car Class 807 trains, that joined at Crewe.
- This might not have been possible with Class 390 trains, as the pair of trains would have been very long.
- Class 390 trains may not be able to split and join.
- I don’t think any extra paths would be needed.
This would give Crewe, Liverpool, Manchester, Runcorn and Stockport, a fast early train to Euston.
Beeching Reversal – East Didsbury – Stockport
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
This project has been puzzling me.
Search Google for “East Didsbury and Stockport Rail Link” and all you find is grandiose plans for billion pound extensions to the Manchester Metrolink.
Having researched a lot of the proposed Beeching Reversal projects, it appears to me, that the ones likely to be built, will give a lot of benefit for millions, not billions of pounds.
I just wonder, if in this project, Manchester is stealing an idea from Birmingham – the four-poster station!
This Google Map shows Smethwick Galton Bridge station.
This extract from the Wikipedia entry, describes the station.
The station was opened in September 1995 as part of the Jewellery Line scheme to reopen the line between Smethwick and Birmingham Snow Hill station. It was built as an interchange station between two lines, and the platforms on both lines opened at the same time.
Note.
- The four lift towers with stairs, that connect the four platforms, have pyramid roofs.
- The station is fully step-free.
- The rail lines are at different levels.
These pictures show the station.
It is a very practical architectural idea and the world needs more four-poster stations to connect rail lines where they cross at different levels.
Could A Four-Poster Station Link East Didsbury And Stockport?
These are my thoughts.
The Location
This Google Map shows the general area, where the station could be built.
It is a spaghetti of motorways and rail lines with a lumpy sauce of new housing called Barnes Village in the middle.
Note, where the two rail lines cross in the South-West corner of the map.
This second Google Map, shows an enlarged image of the location, where the two rail lines cross.
Note.
- The Styal Line runs North-South.
- The line running East-West is the Mid-Cheshire Line between Altrincham and Stockport stations.
I suspect most travellers joining the rail network at this point, would walk or cycle in from nearby locations or turn up in a taxi.
The Styal Line
The Styal Line has the following characteristics.
- It is an electrified double-track line.
- It connects Manchester Piccadilly and Wilmslow stations.
- There is a spur that serves Manchester Airport station.
- East Didsbury station, is the station North of where the two lines cross.
- Gatley station, is the station South of where the two lines cross.
- It is the route of trains to and from Manchester Airport.
These trains go through East Didsbury and Gatley stations in trains per hour (tph)
- 1 tph – Northern – Liverpool Lime Street and Crewe
- 1 tph – Northern – Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Airport
- 1 tph – Northern – Manchester Airport and Blackpool North
- 1 tph – Northern – Manchester Airport and Cumbria
- 1 tph – Trains for Wales – Manchester Airport and Chester
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Redcar Central
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Newcastle
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central or Edinburgh
Freight trains also use the route.
This means that currently, there are eight tph between the Castlefield Corridor (Deansgate, Manchester Oxford Road and Manchester Piccadilly) and Manchester Airport, all of which go through the location, where the four-poster station could possibly be built.
So could the new station, be used to take pressure off the overloaded Castlefield Corridor?
The Mid-Cheshire Line
The Mid-Cheshire Line has the following characteristics.
- At this point it is a single-track without electrification.
- It connects Stockport and Altrincham stations.
Re-Doubling Of The Mid Cheshire Line Between Stockport and Altrincham And Associated Station Reopenings is another of the Beeching Reversal projects and envisages the following.
- Re-doubling the route.
- Possible electrification
- Reopening some stations.
This is the only passenger service that uses the route.
- 1 tph – Northern – Manchester Piccadilly and Chester
Up to two-three freight tph, also use the route.
In the related post, I said this about the desired frequency of services between Manchester and Chester stations.
It could be argued that two tph between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester are needed now and that four tph should be the preferred frequency.
There certainly needs to be four tph going through the proposed four-poster station.
Conclusion
I am being drawn to the conclusion, that this station if it were to be built, would help a lot of problems with Manchester’s railways.
- It would allow a sort out of train services to Manchester Airport.
- It would connect Stockport and Manchester Airport.
- It would connect Stockport and East Didsbury.
- It could help a solution to the problem of the Castlefield Corridor.
The station should be built.
Beeching Reversal – Re-Doubling Of The Mid Cheshire Line Between Stockport and Altrincham And Associated Station Reopenings
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
Much of this project appears to be about bringing the former Stockport, Timperley and Altrincham Junction Railway, back up to somewhere near its original state.
This map clipped from Wikipedia shows the railway.
Note.
- Stockport Edgeley is now just Stockport station.
- Altrincham station is on the Mid-Cheshire Line.
- Baguley, Northenden and both Cheadle stations are now closed.
I have just flown my virtual helicopter between Stockport and Altrincham stations and much of the route is already double-track.
- At Cheadle Village Junction, which appears to be behind Cheadle Heath Police Station, the track becomes single.
- Just before Sharston Junction, which appears to be to the North-East of Sharston, the track becomes double again.
I estimate, that the single-track section is just over two miles long.
I was also able to ascertain, that there appeared to be plenty of space, where British Rail singled the track.
There is also a second section of single-track, through Navigation Road station, which is shown in this Google Map.
Note.
- Both tracks through Navigation Road station are bi-directional.
- The Metrolink track is on the West.
- The National Rail track is on the East.
- South of Navigation Road station, both Metrolink and National Rail get two tracks.
In the twenty-four hours to 0600 this morning, a total of seventeen freight movements, went through this section.
- Some were biomass trains between Liverpool and Drax power station, up to 6400 tonnes.
- Some were stone trains from the quarries in the Peak District.
- Some were Network Rail engineering trains.
I suspect this abort section of single track for both Metrolink and Network Rail is an absolute pain.
The single track must cause a lot of problems as the route is sometimes used by two or three trains per hour (tph) in both directions.
As some of the trains are some of the UK’s longest freight trains, it could also be very challenging for the signalling and the signallers.
Work That Could Be Done
These sub-projects could be performed.
Elimination of Single Track At Cheadle
I think this is essential and could greatly increase the capacity of the route.
This Youtube video from Don Coffey, shows the view from the cab, which travelling from Manchester to Chester. If you watch from about thirteen minutes, you’ll see the single-track section.
Sorting Out Navigation Road
As with the single-track section at Cheadle, I think this is essential and could greatly increase the capacity of the route.
Watch the same Youtube video from about twenty-two minutes, and you’ll see the single-track section, through Navigation Road station.
In Tram-Trains To Hale Station, I talked about the possibilities of using a variant of Class 399 tram-trains, similar to those running on the Sheffield Supertram.
Signalling
It could be there are minor adjustments or major work to get the most out of a double-track railway.
Electrification
This is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry for the Mid-Cheshire Line.
In March 2015, the Electrification Task Force said that the Mid-Cheshire line was a tier 1 priority for being electrified in the CP6 period (2019-2024)
Would electrification be installed to perhaps run electric trains between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester?
Baguley Station
I covered Baguley station in Glazebrook Junction And Skelton Junction, where I said this.
Baguley station could be an interesting station, as it would be possible to create an interchange with the Manchester Metrolink. Wikipedia says this.
Proposals were made in the early 2000s to reopen a station in the Baguley area when the extension of the Metrolink out to Wythenshawe and Manchester Airport is actioned. In May 2011 re-opening of the station on the Stockport-Altrincham line was included in Transport for Greater Manchester’s Passenger Plan. The station would be on Southmoor Road and would be a tram/train interchange with the Baguley tram stop, which opened in 2014.
This Google Map shows the possible Baguley Interchange.
Note.
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- The North-South road is Southmoor Road.
- The Metrolink branch to the Airport runs alongside.
- The Stockport and Altrincham Line crosses East-West towards the North of the map.
If you take a train between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester via Stockport, Navigation Road, Altrincham and Knutsford, you cross on the railway through here.
So perhaps a Baguley Interchange station, would help some people get to and from Manchester Airport?
Baguley station certainly has possibilities.
Cheadle North Station
Could Cheadle North station be replaced?
This article on the Manchester Evening News is entitled Cheadle ‘On Cusp’ Of Having Own Railway Station For First Time Since Mid-1960s, where this is said.
If ministers back the proposals, the railway station is likely to be built next to the Alexandra Hospital along the mid-Cheshire line – close to where the original Cheadle (later Cheadle North) station was.
This Google Map shows the Cheadle Alexandra Hospital and the Mid-Cheshire Line.
Note.
- The hospital is the largest private hospital in the UK, outside London.
- The railway, which is single-track at this point, runs along the South side of the site.
If the line is double-tracked, as seems likely, adding a small station would not be a challenging addition.
Northenden Station
Could Northenden station be replaced?
Future Train Services
The train service between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester is as follows.
- The service is 45 miles.
- It takes 90 minutes.
- There are stops at Stockport, Navigation Road, Altrincham, Hale, Ashley, Mobberley, Knutsford, Plumley, Lostock Gtalam, Northwich, Greenbank, Cuddington, Delamere and Mouldsworth.
It could be argued that two tph between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester are needed now and that four tph should be the preferred frequency.
There are other services.
Conclusion
After restoring the double-track on this route, there are possibilities to spend, as much money as you want.
In Tram-Trains To Hale Station, these were my conclusions.
- Tram-trains can deliver a capacity improvement through Navigation Road station.
- Tram-trains could be extensively tested on the existing Manchester Metrolink network.
- Tram-trains could be used to build a simple extension to Hale station from Altrincham.
- The Manchester and Chester service via Stockport, Navigation Road and Altrincham stations could be run by tram-trains.
A comprehensive network of tram-trains could be developed between, through and beyond Altrincham, Crewe and Chester.
Cheshire would have a quality commuter and local train network into Manchester.
After all in the next couple of years, Merseyrail’s Cheshire network will be getting a major upgrade with new trains and perhaps another new route.
Beeching Reversal – Glazebrook Junction And Skelton Junction
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
This Wikipedia entry, which is entitled Glazebrook East Junction–Skelton Junction Line. gives a lot of information.
Closure Of Passenger Services
This is said.
As part of the London Midland region of BR, It remained a busy line with trains from Liverpool Central and Warrington Central up until the mid-1960s. It was only on the withdrawal of these stopping passenger services in 1964 that all the stations closed along the line.
Where did the services terminate?
I would assume it was Stockport.
Closure Of Freight Services
This is said.
The line carried on as freight only until 1983 when Cadishead Viaduct was in need of serious and costly repair. British Rail decided rather than repairing the viaduct to close it and mothball the line. The tracks were lifted in the mid-1980s from Glazebrook to Partington.
This Google Map shows Cadishead Viaduct over the Manchester Ship Canal, which appears to need some TLC.
It looks to be in similar condition to that of this bridge at Tottenham Hale station in London, before it was replaced.
This Google Map show the bridge at Tottenham Hale now.
It certainly looks a lot better and was installed in a few days over Christmas.
It might be expensive but it certainly looks possible, to add a pair of replacements at Cadishead Viaduct.
Glazebrook Junction
This is said about Glazebrook Junction.
As of 2010 Glazebrook East Junction is still intact and remains part of the national network. The junction towards Cadishead on the original deviation is also still in place with a powered signal lamp showing a permanent red signal. This short section of track from the still live passing loop at Glazebrook East Junction towards Cadishead on the original non-deviated line is permanently point locked. The short section ends near a barrow crossing shortly before a bridge carrying a bridleway above.
This Google Map shows the Junction and Glazebrook station.
Note.
- Glazebrook station is in the South-West corner of the map.
- The line to be reinstated leaves the map in the South-East corner.
Could there be space for a double-track junction?
Skelton Junction
This is said about Skelton junction.
The tracks from Skelton Junction to the south east of Partington were left and remained intact for chemical trains for a local chemical plant. These trains continued to use this route until 10 October 1993. To this day however this part of the line is intact but disused; the signal lamps at Skelton Junction remain powered red. Also in 2005 this part of the track saw some work; vegetation clearance took place for the line to reopen for freight but this fell through.
This Google Map shows Skelton junction.
Note, that from Skelton junction it appears, it is an easy run to Stockport station.
Stations
Four stations from the route have closed.
Baguley station could be an interesting station, as it would be possible to create an interchange with the Manchester Metrolink. Wikipedia says this.
Proposals were made in the early 2000s to reopen a station in the Baguley area when the extension of the Metrolink out to Wythenshawe and Manchester Airport is actioned. In May 2011 re-opening of the station on the Stockport-Altrincham line was included in Transport for Greater Manchester’s Passenger Plan. The station would be on Southmoor Road and would be a tram/train interchange with the Baguley tram stop, which opened in 2014.
This Google Map shows the possible Baguley Interchange.
Note.
- The North-South road is Southmoor Road.
- The Metrolink branch to the Airport runs alongside.
- The Stockport and Altrincham Line crosses East-West towards the North of the map.
If you take a train between Manchester Piccadilly and Chester via Stockport, Navigation Road, Altrincham and Knutsford, you cross on the railway through here.
So perhaps a Baguley Interchange station, would help some people get to and from Manchester Airport?
Future Train Services
It would appear that at the simplest level it creates a passenger connection between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Piccadilly stations via South West Manchester and Stockport.
There are also large projects underway, close to Glazebrook.
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Will these two projects and others like them by the Manchester Ship Canal, create the need for more passenger and freight trains to the area?
Conclusion
It looks to me, that opening this new passenger train route could be very beneficial for those that live, work and play in the area.
Beeching Reversal – Stockport And Ashton Line
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
I came across this railway, when I was writing Macclesfield Station And High Speed Two, as I felt the Stockport and Stalybridge Line could be a useful connection to the proposed High Speed Two terminus at Macclesfield station.
This article on the Quest Media Network is entitled Proposals For New Rail Link Between Ashton And Stockport.
This paragraph described the political backing.
The Labour politicians are backing a bid to the ‘Restoring Your Railway Fund’, which will distribute £500 million of funds to reinstate axed local services and restore stations.
The bid was put forward by Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) and Stockport Council, but also has the backing of Tameside Council.
Not fans of Boris, I would presume!
These paragraphs describe the proposals
It proposes two options – a heavy rail service between Stockport and Manchester Victoria via Denton and Reddish South, and a light rail service connecting with the existing Manchester-Ashton Metrolink line at Ashton Moss in the north, and with the proposed Stockport-East Didsbury line in the south.
The proposals also open possibilities of new stations along the line at Audenshaw, Thornley Lane and Heaton Norris.
These are my thoughts.
Macclesfield As A Terminal
As I said in conjunction with High Speed Two, I believe that Macclesfield station would make a good terminal, where a Stockport-facing platform could be built, which would give step-free access to the hourly High Speed Two train to Stoke, Stafford and London.
Manchester Victoria And Stockport
This route map, which has been clipped from Wikipedia, shows the route between Manchester Victoria and Stockport stations.
Note.
- The connection to Manchester Victoria station joins at Denton Junction.
- There are possible stations at Denton, Reddish South and Heaton Norris.
- Trains to Macclesfield station take the West Coast Main Line from Stockport station.
- At Stalybridge there is a connection to the Huddersfield Line for Huddersfield and Leeds.
Realtimetrains devolves this extra information.
- Manchester Victoria and Stockport are twelve miles apart via Denton.
- It is a busy freight route with upwards of a couple of trains per hour (tph)
- There used to be a station at Miles Platting.
It is a comprehensive route and deserves a lot more than a simple hourly service to Manchester Victoria station.
Battery Electric Trains
Consider.
- Macclesfield, Manchester Victoria and Stockport stations are all fully electrified.
- About twelve miles of track are not electrified.
- Manchester Victoria and Macclesfield stations are twenty-four miles apart.
- I estimate a four-car 100 mph battery electric train like a Class 350 train would do the trip in close to 25 minutes.
It looks like an ideal route for a battery electric train to me.
Two trains would be needed to run a two tph service, with no extra infrastructure.
Conclusion
Develop a service between Manchester Victoria and Macclesfield stations using battery electric trains, with at least a frequency of two tph.
