Eurostar Orders First Double-Decker Trains
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
This is the sub-heading.
Eurostar has revealed plans to run double-decker trains through the Channel Tunnel for the first time.
These three paragraphs add more details.
The cross-channel rail operator has confirmed it will order up to 50 trains from manufacturer Alstom, eventually increasing the size of its fleet by nearly a third.
The expansion plans would include investing heavily in a crucial London depot, it said.
But questions remain over whether the facility has enough space for both Eurostar and potential rival operators to use it.
This my solution to the problem outlined in the last paragraph.
Note, that I wrote the software that planned the building of the Channel Tunnel and the rail links to London and was also friends with the project manager of the 1960s attempt to build a Channel Tunnel.
We need more terminal platforms and depot space in the UK to handle Eurostar’s extra trains and the other companies who want to run to London.
We should split services into two groups.
Group 1 would terminate as now in an updated St. Pancras with more passenger handling capacity, which could probably be built over the tracks at the Northern end of the station. Trains would still be stabled at Temple Mills.
Group 2 would terminate at Ebbsfleet International, which would have extra platforms, a new depot, masses of car parking and a coach terminal.
Some trains from both groups could also stop at Ashford International.
To access Ebbsfleet from Central London and also create a Heathrow link to the Channel Tunnel, the Lizzie Line would be extended to Northfleet, where there is space to handle up to eight trains per hour in new platforms built in two disused sidings.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the location of Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
Note.
- Ebbsfleet International station at the bottom of the map.
- The red tracks are High Speed One.
- The orange tracks are third-rail electrified lines.
- The orange tracks going across the map is the North Kent Line.
- Northfleet station is at the right edge of the map on the North Kent Line.
- Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations are less than a kilometer apart.
- Ebbsfleet has a lot of car parking spaces.
I believe a spectacular cable-car or other link would connect Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
These are some other thoughts.
Ebbsfleet International Station Has Good Motorway Access
This Google Map shows the location of Ebbsfleet International station in relation to the motorways.
Note.
- The A2/M2 road runs across the bottom half of the map.
- The red arrow marks the position of Ebbsfleet International station.
- The Dartford Crossing is a few miles West of the station.
In my last few years, as an Ipswich season ticket holder, I regularly had a lift to Ebbsfleet International from a friend and the route to the station from the M25 and the A2/M2 wasn’t bad.
But it will be getting better.
This map from the Government’s consultation on the Lower Thames Crossing, shows the road layout in a few years.

Note.
- The Lower Thames Crossing is shown in red.
- Ebbsfleet International station is about a mile South of Northfleet
- The new crossing will connect to the A2, a few miles East of the link road to the station.
Travellers from much of the East of and Middle England could use the new crossing to get to Ebbsfleet International station.
These are current times from Google.
- Birmingham – 2 hours and 41 minutes
- Cambridge – 1 hour and 17 minutes
- Edinburgh – 7 hours and 44 minutes
- Fishguard – 5 hours and 29 minutes
- Glasgow – 7 hours and 6 minutes
- Holyhead – 5 hours and 29 minutes
- Hull – 4 hours and 1 minute
- Ipswich – 1 hour and 29 minutes
- Leeds – 3 hours and 55 minutes
- Liverpool – 4 hours and 40 minutes
- Manchester – 4 hours and 28 minutes
- Milton Keynes – 1 hour and 37 minutes
- Newcastle 5 hours and 25 minutes
- Norwich – 2 hours 23 minutes
- Nottingham – 2 hours and 55 minutes
- Peterborough – 1 hour and 54 minutes
- Sheffield – 3 hours and 35 minutes
- Stoke-on-Trent – 3 hours and 25 minutes
- York – 4 hours and 16 minutes
Note.
- I would suspect that the opening of the Lower Thames Crossing will knock 10-15 minutes off these times.
- Edinburgh, Glasgow, Hull, Leeds, Newcastle, Nottingham, Peterborough, Sheffield and York would probably be quicker to Europe with a change to Continental train services at St. Pancras, rather than Ebbsfleet International.
- With improvements to rail services, more of these journeys will be quicker by train.
- High Speed Two should connect Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester and Stoke-on-Trent to London, by the mid 2030s.
But there are some, who always feel their car is safer in a car park!
Ebbsfleet International Station Has A Large Amount Of Car Parking
This map shows the car parks at Ebbsfleet International station.
Note.
- Some of the parking areas are marked with a P.
- It is easy to pick-up and drop passengers.
- The car parks could be double-decked to add more spaces if needed.
- According to the Ebbsfleet International web site, the station currently has 5225 parking spaces, 68 accessible car parking spaces.
For those that have a lot of luggage or a large family, taking the car to Ebbsfleet International may be the best option.
Ebbsfleet International Station Should Have A Coach Station
Consider.
- In the next few years, hydrogen-powered coaches with a thousand kilometre range will come to dominate the long distance coach market.
- Mercedes and Wrightbus are know to be developing long-distance hydrogen-powered coaches.
- Hydrogen-powered coaches will be able to reach all of England and Wales and a large part of Scotland from Ebbsfleet International.
- Ebbsfleet International is closely connected to the UK motorway network.
- Continental coaches using the Channel Tunnel, could use Ebbsfleet as a coach interchange with the UK.
- Ebbsfleet International could also handle customs services for Continental coach services, which would take the pressure off the Channel Tunnel and the ferries.
- Ebbsfleet International could also have a coach link to Gatwick Airport.
These and other reasons make me feel, that a coach terminal at Ebbsfleet International is essential.
A Green Connection Between The Two Halves Of The European Union For the Gretas Of This World
Consider.
- There is no zero-carbon route between the island of Ireland and Continental Europe.
- Eurostar is all-electric between London and Continental Europe, but only serves a limited number of destinations.
- Low- or zero-carbon ferries are being designed, that run on hydrogen.
- Trains between London and the Irish ferries are diesel-powered.
- The simplest solution would surely be to run hydrogen-powered coaches between Ebbsfleet International and Fishguard and/or Holyhead. Both journeys would take three and a half hours.
Hydrogen-powered coaches are under development by Wrightbus.
I also asked Google AI if anybody is planning zero-carbon ferries between the UK and ireland and received this answer.
Yes, there are plans for zero-carbon ferries between the UK and Ireland, with a specific “Green Corridor” feasibility study underway for the Holyhead to Dublin route, and a separate, separate commuter service project planned between Belfast and Bangor. The Belfast Maritime Consortium is developing the zero-carbon commuter service, and a separate “Green Corridor” feasibility study is assessing potential low-carbon pathways between Holyhead and Dublin
I believe the green connection is feasible, provided the following happens.
- Ebbsfleet International is reopened and developed as a station for Continental Europe.
- The zero-carbon ferries are developed.
- The busmasters from Ballymena deliver the ultimate hydrogen-powered coach.
- Hydrogen and other fuels are made available, where they is needed.
This could do wonders for the economy of the island of Ireland.
Out of curiosity, I did ask Google AI, what is the longest coach route in the UK and received this answer.
The longest scheduled coach journey in the UK is the Scottish Citylink route from Glasgow to Uig on the Isle of Skye (route 915 or 916), which is about 230 miles and takes around 7 hours and 50 minutes. Historically, there have been much longer international bus routes, such as the Penn Overland tour from London to Ceylon, but these were not regular, scheduled services.
So my proposal at five hours and 29 minutes is only a short hop.
I also believe that with good project management that the additional infrastructure could be built by 2030, with little or no disruption to existing services.
Eurostar Cancels All Today’s Trains After Tunnel Floods
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
This is the sub-heading.
Eurostar has cancelled all of Saturday’s services to and from London St Pancras due to flooding in a tunnel under the River Thames, throwing new year travel into chaos.
These are the first two paragraphs.
This morning, Eurostar said it hoped later services could run but it has now cancelled all 41 trains.
All Southeastern’s high-speed services to Ebbsfleet, which use the same line, have also been cancelled.
I know the tunnel shouldn’t flood, but Eurostar don’t seem to have an adequate emergency plan to keep things moving, when it does.
The plan would obvious depend on where and what the problem was, but if something goes wrong at the London end of High Speed One, then surely the remaining infrastructure should be used to run an emergency service.
With flooding in the tunnel between Stratford International and Ebbsfleet International, trains could only run as far as Ebbsfleet, but surely an hourly shuttle could be run between Ebbsfleet and both Brussels and Paris.
The problem would surely be getting travellers between St. Pancras and Ebbsfleet International.
- There can be no trains between Central London and Ebbsfleet International, as the tunnel is flooded and can’t be used.
- Rail replacement buses would be difficult to organise at such short notice.
- I doubt rail replacement buses could be run from St. Pancras station, as traffic is generally solid in the area of the station at all times.
The nearest station to Ebbsfleet International is Northfleet station, which has four trains per hour (tph) to and from London; two each to St. Pancras and Charing Cross.
I have walked between Ebbsfleet International and Northfleet stations, but in times of disruption, I’m sure buses operating a shuttle would be better.
The Wikipedia entry for Northfleet station, explains, why the pedestrian link has not been built, in this paragraph.
The station is very close to Ebbsfleet International station (the NNE entrance is only 334 yards (305 m) from Northfleet’s station), but passengers (using public transport) will find it far easier to access Ebbsfleet International from Gravesend or Greenhithe, as these stations are more accessible and offer easy access to Fastrack bus services. The walking route between the two stations is 0.6 miles (1 km) or 0.8 miles (1.3 km) and a suitable pedestrian link has not been built because of funding issues and objections from Land Securities.
Perhaps after the pantomime this Christmas, the connection will be improved.
So4’s Law will probably mean, that if it is built, it will only be used by travellers and those working at Ebbsfleet International station for whom it is more convenient.
Could A Mega-Station Be Built For The Channel Tunnel?
This article on Railway Gazette International, is entitled Start-Up Announces Amsterdam To London And Paris High Speed Train Ambitions.
It talks about how Dutch start-up; Heuro wants to run fifteen trains per day (tpg) between London and Amsterdam.
The article then has this paragraph, which details other operators, who are wanting to run services between London and the near Continent.
Heuro’s announcement comes after Spanish start-up Evolyn announced plans in October for a Paris – London service, while on November 11 British newspaper The Daily Telegraph reported that Sir Richard Branson and Phil Whittingham, former head of Virgin Trains and Avanti West Coast, were also drawing up plans to compete with Eurostar and had held discussions with infrastructure managers.
This leads me to the conclusion, that there will be a need for more capacity for trains and/or passengers at some time in the future.
- There are six International platforms at St. Panvcras International station, which can each probably handle four trains per hour (tph), so I suspect the station could handle 24 International tph.
- As a modern high speed train can carry over 500 passengers, that is 12000 passengers per hour.
- Visit St. Pancras station in the morning and it is often crammed with travellers coming from and going to Europe.
I suspect that the number of trains may not be a problem, but the number of passengers will.
We could always join Shengen, but then that would be an open door to all the would-be migrants to the UK.
This Google Map shows Stratford International station.
Stratford International station is in a soulless concrete cavern, that lies across the middle of the map.
In Platforms 1 And 4 At Stratford International Station, there are a lot of pictures of the station.
I think it would be extremely difficult to add extra platforms and passenger facilities to the station.
This Google Map shows Ebbsfleet International station.
Note.
- Ebbsfleet International station, with its two International and four domestic platforms is in the middle of the map.
- The station is surrounded by car parks with a total of 5,000 spaces.
- Northfleet station is in the North-East corner of the map.
There is a lot of land, without any buildings on it.
These are my thoughts.
Enough Extra Bay Platforms To Handle The Additional Trains
There would appear to be space for perhaps two bay platforms to terminate trains.
But would passengers we happy being dumped outside Central London?
Would An Elizabeth Line Extension To Ebbsfleet Be Needed?
There are various plans to link the Elizabeth Line tp Ebbsfleet International.
In Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion, I showed this map from the Abbeywood2Ebbsfleet consultation.
There doesn’t appear to be too much new infrastructure, except for a proper connection between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations. References on the Internet, say that the similar-sized Luton DART connection at Luton Airport, cost around £225 million.
The Elizabeth Line connects to the following.
- Bond Street
- Canary Wharf
- City of London
- Farringdon for Thameslink
- Heathrow Airport
- Old Oak Common for High Speed Two
- Liverpool Street station
- Oxford Street
- Paddington station
- Slough for Windsor
- Tottenham Court Road for the British Museum, Oxford Street, Soho, Theatreland and the Underground.
- West End of London
- Whitechapel for the Overground and Underground
For many people like me, the Elizabeth Line at Ebbsfleet will provide one of the quickest ways to get to and from European trains.
Ebbsfleet Has Space For A Bus Station
A bus station with comprehensive routes could be built at Ebbsfleet station, which I don’t think will be possible at St. Pancras.
It would also be possible to provide an easy route to Gatwick Airport along the M25.
Hotel Accommodation
This is surely necessary.
It would make an ideal base for tourists and business people, who wanted to visit several of the large cities connected to Ebbsfleet.
A Very Large Car Park
Consider.
- Heathrow Airport is looking at providing upwards of 50,000 car parking spaces.
- Some travellers are seriously allergic to public transport and will always use their car.
- Many travellers these days want to take a severely outside case with them, when they’re only having a weekend in Paris.
I feel that a mega-station for Europe will need upwards of 10,000 car parking spaces. All of them with vehicle-to-grid chargers.
A Very Large Storage Battery
According to this page on the E-on web site, the average size of the battery in an electric vehicle is 40 kWh.
If 5,000 car parking spaces were to be fitted with vehicle-to-grid charging (V2G), that would be 2 MWh of energy storage, that could be used by National Grid, to store surplus electricity.
Get V2G right and it could make a serious contribution to your parking costs.
Pictures Of Ebbsfleet Station
These are some pictures I took at Ebbsfleet station today.
Note.
- The station is a fairly boring concrete, glass and steel construction.
- The SouthEastern HighSpeed services also go to St. Pancras, so they don’t offer any different connectivity towards the capital.
In addition, the SouthEastern HighSpeed Class 395 trains aren’t step-free at the platforms, as these pictures shows.
As I came back into St. Pancras International station, staff were struggling to load a wheelchair onto a train using a ramp.
Would A Two-Station Solution Increase Capacity?
High Speed Rail lines have high capacity trains and there are examples of more than one station at the end of a route.
- The London end of High Speed Two will have stations at Old Oak Common and Euston.
- The Manchester end of High Speed Two will have stations at Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- The Edinburgh end of the East Coast Main Line has stations at Waverley and Haymarket.
- The Amsterdam end of Eurostar and Thalys has stations at Rotterdam, Schipol Airport and Amsterdam.
A selection of stations gives choice and convenience for travellers.
Conclusion
I believe that selective development of Ebbsfleet International station could be used to take the pressure away from St. Pancras International station.
These developments could include.
- A comprehensive bus station
- Elizabeth Line to Northfleet
- Hotel Accommodation
- Lots Of Car Parking
Extending The Elizabeth Line – Connecting North Kent Line Services To The Central Tunnel At Abbey Wood
This map from cartometro.com shows the track layout at Abbey Wood.
Note.
- The Elizabeth Line is shown in purple.
- The North Kent Line is shown in black.
- The North Kent Line platform to London is the Southernmost platform and is numbered 1.
- The North Kent Line platform from London is the other Southern platform and is numbered 2.
- The Elizabeth Line platforms are numbered 3 and 4.
- Platform 4 is the Northernmost platform.
At present the Elizabeth Line service to Abbey Wood station is twelve trains per hour (tph), with each platform handling six tph.
This picture shows trains in both Platform 3 and 4 looking towards the station buildings.
Note.
- Platform 3 is on the right.
- Platform 4 is on the left.
In Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion, I talk about this proposal as described in this article on Ian Visits.
One of the key features of Crossrail To Ebbsfleet (C2E) project is that instead of all trains terminating at Abbey Wood, trains will terminate as follows.
- Abbey Wood – 4 tph
- Northfleet – 4 tph
- Gravesend – 4 tph
This will mean that 8 tph would pass through Abbey Wood station.
- Platform 4 could certainly handle the four tph that terminated on the Elizabeth Line.
- Platform 3 would need to handle eight tph in both directions or sixteen tph to fulfil the proposed C2E service.
- This would be one train every 225 seconds.
I believe that digital signalling could handle this easily and safely.
I am fairly sure that the track layout at Abbey Wood allows eight tph to go both ways between the North Kent Line and the Elizabeth Line Central Tunnel.
The Maximum Capacity At Abbey Wood Station
Because of the current track layout at Abbey Wood, I believe that without track modifications, Abbey Wood station will not be able to handle more than 12 tph.
Extending The Elizabeth Line – High Speed Trains On The Elizabeth Line
This may seem rather fanciful, but could it be the way to maximise the use of the Elizabeth Line?
- I feel that the Elizabeth Line will eventually serve other destinations like Basingstoke, Beaulieu, Oxford, Southend and Swindon.
- The capacity of the Elizabeth Line will grow to over thirty trains per hour (tph) under control of digital signalling.
These are a few thoughts.
The Design Of The Trains
As any train would have to be compatible with the platform-edge doors in the central tunnel of the Elizabeth Line, the trains would have to be dimensionally identical to the current Class 345 trains.
- Nine cars
- Possibility of lengthening to ten cars.
- 204.73 metres long.
- 6 sets of doors per carriage
- Ability to run under full digital signalling.
They would be designed for a higher speed of at least 110 or 125 mph, to enable running on the fast lines of these routes.
- East Coast Main Line
- Great Western Main Line
- Midland Main Line
- West Coast Main Line
They would also be able to run at 100 mph on the Chiltern Main Line, the Great Eastern Main Line and the North Kent Line.
The faster running would ease scheduling of the trains.
Extra facilities could include.
- Toilets
- Tables
- A third-rail capability for running in Kent.
Effectively, it would be a Class 345 train with more features and considerably more grunt.
Note that in A High Speed Train With An IPEMU-Capability, I started the post with the following.
Bombardier were reported by Ian Walmsley in the April 2016 Edition of Modern Railways, to be developing Aventra, with a 125 mph capability.
Bombardier have also told me, that all Aventras will be wired so they could be fitted with on-board energy storage.
Could it be that the design of a Class 345 train could be modified to run at higher speeds? I wouldn’t be surprised.
Oxford To Southend Victoria
This could be a typical route.
- Between Oxford and Paddington, it would follow a route similar to the GWR’s Oxford service with stops at just Reading and Slough.
- At Paddington the train would take the Central Tunnel of the Elizabeth Line and travel under London, at the same speed as the other trains.
- It would emerge at Stratford and move to the Great Eastern Main Line.
- It would probably stop at Stratford, Romford, Shenfield and all stations to Southend Victoria.
Note.
- Digital signalling would enforce the precise timekeeping needed.
- Much of the Oxford and Paddington section would be up to speeds of at least 125 mph.
- Times in the Central Tunnel of the Elizabeth Line would be identical to the current Class 345 trains.
- Much of the Stratford and Southend section would be up to speeds of at least 100 mph.
I estimate that total time would be a few minutes under two hours.
Connecting To The Central Tunnel Of The Elizabeth Line At Royal Oak
I discuss this in Extending The Elizabeth Line – Connecting Great Western Main Line Services To The Central Tunnel.
Connecting To The Central Tunnel Of The Elizabeth Line At Stratford
I discuss this in Extending The Elizabeth Line – Connecting Great Eastern Main Line Services To The Central Tunnel.
Connecting To The Central Tunnel Of The Elizabeth Line At Abbey Wood
This map from cartometro.com shows the track layout at Abbey Wood.
Note.
- The Elizabeth Line is shown in purple.
- The North Kent Line is shown in black.
- The North Kent Line platform to London is the Southernmost platform and is numbered 1.
- The North Kent Line platform from London is the other Southern platform and is numbered 2.
- The Elizabeth Line platforms are numbered 3 and 4.
- Platform 4 is the Northernmost platform.
At present the Elizabeth Line service to Abbey Wood station is twelve tph, with each platform handling six tph.
This picture shows trains in both Platform 3 and 4 looking towards the station buildings.
Note.
- Platform 3 is on the right.
- Platform 4 is on the left.
In Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion, I talk about this proposal as described in this article on Ian Visits.
One of the key features of Crossrail To Ebbsfleet (C2E) project is that instead of all trains terminating at Abbey Wood, trains will terminate as follows.
- Abbey Wood – 4 tph
- Northfleet – 4 tph
- Gravesend – 4 tph
This will mean that 8 tph would pass through Abbey Wood station.
- Platform 4 could certainly handle the four that terminated on the Elizabeth Line.
- Platform 3 would need to handle eight tph in both directions or sixteen tph to fulfil the proposed C2E service.
- This would be one train every 225 seconds.
I believe that digital signalling could handle this easily and safely.
I am fairly sure that the track layout at Abbey Wood allows eight tph to go both ways between the North Kent Line and the Elizabeth Line Central Tunnel.
The Maximum Capacity At Abbey Wood Station
Because of the current track layout at Abbey Wood, I believe that without track modifications, Abbey Wood station will not be able to handle more than 12 tph.
Thameslink
These proposed trains would also be compatible with Thameslink, as this route has no platform edge doors.
No platform extensions would be needed, as the Class 345 trains are shorter than the 12-car Class 700 trains.
If they were 125 mph trains, then this would ease timetabling on the East Coast Main Line, as the trains could mix it with the expresses on the fast lines.
Could These High Speed Trains For The Elizabeth Line Have A Cruising Speed Of 140 mph?
It is likely, when full authority digital ERTMS signalling is installed on main lines out of London, that 140 mph will be possible on some at least these routes.
- East Coast Main Line
- Great Western Main Line
- Midland Main Line
- West Coast Main Line
The extra speed would maximise capacity.
A Trip To Northfleet
Yesterday, I went to Northfleet station.
Partly, it was to have a drink with my old friend; Ian, but mainly it was to take some pictures to add to Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion.
Normally, when I go to see Ian I take the HighSpeed service out of St. Pancras.
But this service is expensive and as I was leaving from Moorgate, I decided to take the Elizabeth Line to Abbey Wood and get a train to Northfleet station instead.
I have a few thoughts on my journey.
Cost
I used my Freedom Pass to Abbey Wood and then bought an Off Peak Day Return between Abbey Wood and Northfleet for just £4.95 with a Senior Railcard.
Convenience
As you have to use one of the bridges at Abbey Wood to change to and from the Elizabeth Line, I used the one at the station end and popped through the barrier to buy my onward ticket from a machine.
Surely, Freedom Passes should be linked to a bank account, so if you want to stray outside Zone 6, you are automatically charged.
Elizabeth Line Messages On Southeastern
At Swanscombe station today, whilst waiting for my Thameslink train to take me back to Abbey Wood, I noticed that the displays were telling passengers to change at Abbey Wood for the Elizabeth Line.
You certainly wouldn’t use the dreadful Swanscombe station with heavy cases, but stations like Abbey Wood, Dartford, Gravesend and others would enable granny or grandpa to take a sensible-size wheeled case to Heathrow Airport with reasonable ease, once the Elizabeth Line becomes a fully-connected railway between Abbey Wood and Heathrow.
Onward Trains At Abbey Wood
There are two easy onward Thameslink tph at Abbey Wood, that run at sixteen and forty-six minutes past the hour.
You can also take the first Dartford train and then take the first train from there.
If you get the Thameslink train from Abbey Wood timings are as follows.
- Slade Green – 6 minutes
- Dartford – 11 minutes
- Stone Crossing – 16 minutes
- Greenhithe – 18 minutes
- Swanscombe – 21 minutes
- Northfleet – 23 minutes
- Gravesend – 27 minutes
- Higham – 33 minutes
- Strood – 39 minutes
- Rochester – 42 minutes
- Chatham – 45 minutes
- Gillingham – 50 minutes
- Rainham – 55 minutes
Note.
- There are also two Southeastern tph between Charing Cross and Gravesend, but they don’t serve Abbey Wood.
- The timings appeared sensible in my two trips; yesterday and today.
- Travellers also have a choice in that they can use the more expensive HighSpeed services to selected stations.
After just missing a Thameslink train today by a few seconds, and then had to wait thirty minutes for the next train, I am convinced that there needs to be a four tph service between Abbey Wood and Rainham.
Four tph Between Rainham And Abbey Wood
In Crossrail Ltd Outlines Plan To Complete The Elizabeth Line, I said this about Western branch services.
When Crossrail is fully open, the Western Branch frequencies are planned to be as follows.
- Reading and Abbey Wood – 4 tph in the Peak and 2 tph in the Off Peak
- Maidenhead and Abbey Wood – 2 tph all day
- Heathrow Terminal 4 and Abbey Wood – 4 tph all day.
- Heathrow Terminal 5 and Abbey Wood – 2 tph all day.
This includes 6 tph between Heathrow and Abbey Wood all day.
Crossrail To Ebbsfleet is proposing that the South-Eastern branch will terminate as follows.
- 4 tph – Abbey Wood
- 4 tph – Northfleet
- 4 tph – Gravesend
So will this mean that the six tph to Heathrow will be split equally between Abbey Wood, Northfleet and Gravesend, with two Heathrow tph terminating at each terminal?
The North Kent Metro
My naive mind thinks, why don’t the two Heathrow and Gravesend services terminate at Rainham?
This would give the following.
- The minimum four tph between Abbey Wood and Rainham.
- Rainham should be able to turnback for tph.
- Services would call at Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green, Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe, Northfleet, Gravesend, Higham, Strood, Rochester, Chatham and Gillingham.
North Kent would have its own metro running under London Overground rules.
It could even start as soon as Class 345 trains are allowed to run to Rainham.
Airport Connect
Consider
- The Elizabeth Line service between Abbey Wood and Rainham could serve Heathrow at its Western end.
- The Thameslink service would serve Luton Airport Parkway.
- Both services would serve Liverpool Street for the Stansted Express and services to and from Southend Airport.
- Both services would serve Farringdon for services to and from Gatwick Airport.
- An extra station at Silvertown could serve London City Airport.
- In future, there could even be a connection to High Speed Two at Old Oak Common.
One service on the Elizabeth Line would connect all these together.
Northfleet Station – June 27th 2022
This Google Map shows Northfleet station.
Note.
- The two tracks through the station are the North Kent Line.
- The other two tracks are freight sidings.
- The car-parks at Ebbsfleet station are in the South-West corner of the map.
- There appears to be a large cleared site to the North-West of the station.
These pictures show the station.
Northfleet station is best characterised by a series of negatives.
- No step-free access from street-to-platform.
- No step-free access from platform-to-train.
- No train information on the London-bound platform.
- No toilets.
- No ticket office.
- No staff
- Not enough seats.
- Not enough car parking.
- Not enough trains.
The only thing that is ready for Crossrail are the long platforms, which will take a 240 metre long train.
A Crossrail To Ebbsfleet Station
This station will need to be made step-free, if Crossrail is extended to Ebbsfleet station.
The station will be handling ten trains per hour (tph) in both directions, with 4 tph terminating at the station.
I suspect new platforms will be built to accommodate the terminating trains.
Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Ian Visits.
These is the first paragraph.
A report looking at transport upgrades across the southeast of England suggests that extending the Elizabeth line into Kent would cost around £3.2 billion. The report, by Transport for the South East (TfSE) also supports the proposal and looks at how it could be funded.
This image from the Abbeywood2Ebbsfleet consultation, shows the proposal.
Note, that there doesn’t appear to be too much new infrastructure, except for a proper connection between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations. References on the Internet, say that the similar-sized Luton DART connection at Luton Airport, cost around £225 million.
As the quoted cost is £3.2 billion, I would assume, that installation of digital signalling on the North Kent Line and the trains that use it, is one of the major costs.
I have some thoughts.
Improvement Is Needed
There are endless jokes, which have a punchline something like, “If you want to go to X, I wouldn’t start from here.”
On Monday, I intend to go to visit my friend; Ian, who lives at Longfield in Kent. Abbey Wood is the nearest Elizabeth Line station to Longfield and it is only seventeen miles away from Abbey Wood, but the quickest way you can do it by train is 64 minutes with a change at Rochester or 79 minutes going back into London and coming out from Victoria.
As before, I leave London, I will be having breakfast with another friend in Moorgate, the Elizabeth Line to Abbey Wood will be a good place to start.
If I got the trains right, I can get between Moorgate and Northfleet in 41 minutes. Northfleet is just 5.5 miles from Longfield.
If Ian, wants to go to London, he usually drives to Ebbsfleet, where there is lots of parking and gets the Highspeed trains to Stratford or St. Pancras. Trains take 12 and 19 minutes to and from the two London termini, but go nowhere near to Canary Wharf, the City of London, Liverpool Street, Oxford Street, Paddington, West London and Heathrow.
I believe that for Ian and the other nearly million residents of West Kent, that the following should be done as soon as possible.
- Extend the Elizabeth Line to Gravesend, which would give 300,000 more people a local Elizabeth Line station.
- Build a people-mover between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations, which would create a high-capacity rail hub for North-West Kent, with connections to London, Heathrow and the Continent, and massive parking.
Heathrow and Northfleet would take under an hour and a quarter on a direct train.
Current Services Between Abbey Wood And Gravesend
Currently, these services run at some point on the North Kent Line between Abbey Wood And Gravesend stations.
- Southeastern – London Cannon Street and London Cannon Street – 2 tph – Via Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith and Slade Green.
- Southeastern – London Cannon Street and Dartford – 2 tph – Via Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith, Slade Green and Dartford.
- Southeastern – London Charing Cross and Gravesend – 2 tph – Via Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe, Northfleet and Gravesend.
- Southeastern HighSpeed – London St Pancras and Ramsgate via Faversham – 1 tph – Via Ebbsfleet International and Gravesend.
- Thameslink – Luton and Rainham – 2 tph – Via Abbey Wood, Slade Green, Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe, Northfleet and Gravesend.
Note.
- tph is trains per hour.
- I have only indicated stations, where trains stop between Abbey Wood and Gravesend stations.
Aggregating these trains gives the following totals for each station.
- Abbey Wood – 6 tph
- Belvedere – 4 tph
- Erith – 4 tph
- Slade Green – 6 tph
- Dartford – 6 tph
- Stone Crossing – 4 tph
- Greenhithe – 4 tph
- Swanscombe – 4 tph
- Northfleet – 4 tph
- Gravesend – 5 tph
As stations get at least four tph, with more important ones getting 5 or 6 tph, it appears to be a well-constructed timetable.
Effect Of Changing The London Cannon Street And London Cannon Street From The Erith Loop To A Dartford Service
This should make no difference to the numbers, as the service is now clear of the Elizabeth Line after Slade Green.
Effect Of Cutting Back The London Charing Cross and Gravesend Service To Dartford
This service between London Charing Cross and Gravesend has a frequency of 2 tph and calls at Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe, Northfleet and Gravesend.
Cutting it back to Dartford adjusts the totals as follows.
- Abbey Wood – 6 tph
- Belvedere – 4 tph
- Erith – 4 tph
- Slade Green – 6 tph
- Dartford – 4 tph
- Stone Crossing – 2 tph
- Greenhithe – 2 tph
- Swanscombe – 2 tph
- Northfleet – 2 tph
- Gravesend – 3 tph
Some of the frequencies have halved.
Effect Of Adding Eight tph To Northfleet And Four tph To Gravesend On The London Charing Cross and Gravesend Service
The Elizabeth Line Extension is proposed to add the following trains to the service.
- 8 tph will continue from Abbey Wood to Northfleet.
- 4 tph will continue from Abbey Wood to Gravesend.
This adjusts the totals as follows.
- Abbey Wood – 6 tph
- Belvedere – 12 tph
- Erith – 12 tph
- Slade Green – 14 tph
- Dartford – 12 tph
- Stone Crossing – 10 tph
- Greenhithe – 10 tph
- Swanscombe – 10 tph
- Northfleet – 10 tph ( 4 tph – Terminating, 6 tph – Passing through)
- Gravesend – 7 tph ( 4 tph – Terminating, 3tph – Passing through)
Note.
- These surely are frequencies, that will satisfy the most picky traveller.
- There are freight trains running on the route.
- The tightest section would appear to be between Abbey Wood and Dartford, although Dartford and Northfleet is only two tph less.
- West of Northfleet it gets easier.
- But I do think though, that full digital signalling between Abbey Wood and Gravesend would be able to handle it.
- 14 tph is a frequency that is less than that of the central sections of the East London Line, the Elizabeth Line and Thameslink.
- I have flown my virtual helicopter along the line and there may be places to add a third track, which would add more capacity.
I believe that it is possible to achieve the passenger train frequencies in the last table.
Abbey Wood East Junction
This Google Map shows the track layout to the East of Abbey Wood station.
Note.
- There are crossovers so trains can run between the Elizabeth Line platforms on the North side of Abbey Wood station and the North Kent Line.
- There is space on either side of the railway.
- I have my doubts that the current track layout would be able to handle twelve Elizabeth Line, six North Kent Line and possibly a freight train in every hour, especially where flat junctions are involved.
I can see a flyover or dive-under being built in this area to handle the trains efficiently.
Abbey Wood Power Change-Over
Some thoughts.
- I will assume, that the change-over between 25 KVAC overhead and 750 VDC third-rail power will take place in or near Abbey Wood station.
- This would avoid any erection of electrification gantries to the East of Abbey Wood station.
- If the Office of Road and Rail refuse to allow any more third rail, I could see a Headbolt Lane solution being applied, where batteries are used to bridge the 1.4 mile gap between Abbey Wood station with its 25 KVAC overhead electrification and Belvedere station with its 750 VDC third-rail electrification.
- North Kent Line trains would take their existing route between Abbey Wood and Belvedere stations.
- Also, if a comprehensive and efficient track layout is used here, then there might be cost savings if the Elizabeth Line trains supplied their own power from batteries.
An efficient junction to the East of Abbey Wood station, coupled with well-thought out electrification could be key to successfully handling the nearly 20 tph at Abbey Wood station.
Belvedere, Erith And Slade Green Stations
Belvedere, Erith and Slade Green stations are on a double-track section of the line.
- The three stations are not step-free.
- There appear to be a lot of industrial sites, that could be developed for housing.
- There might be the possibility of adding an extra track in places.
- Luckily, there are no level crossings.
- There are some footbridges over the railway, that probably need updating to step-free
I suspect that developing the housing on this route will be most important.
Slade Green Depot
This Google Map shows Slade Green depot and the large triangular junction opposite the depot.
Note.
- Slade Green station is at the top of the map.
- Slade Green depot is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The West point of the junction leads to Bexleyheath.
- The West and North points of the junction are connected by the Erith Loop.
- The South point of the junction leads to Dartford.
There are rail capacity problems in this area.
- Slade Green depot is not big enough.
- One train service goes both ways on the Erith Loop between Slade Green and Bexleyheath every thirty minutes, which could be a block on increasing train frequencies between Abbey Wood and Dartford stations.
- The proposal is saying that the Slade Green and Bexleyheath service will go via Dartford station, where it will probably reverse.
I can see comprehensive redevelopment of the depot and the junction to remove the capacity problems and perhaps build a lot of housing.
- If the Erith Loop is not used could the centre of the junction be developed with a much-needed extension to the depot?
- The depot might be moved elsewhere or perhaps rebuilt with tower blocks on the top.
I think that moving the Slade Green and Bexleyheath service via Dartford could mean that the Erith Loop isn’t needed, so this might free up space to increase the size of the depot.
Dartford Station
This Google Map shows Dartford station and the area around the station.
Note.
- The station has four long platforms.
- It should be able to handle the 12 tph in both directions.
- There is a lot of new developments by the station.
- The station is step-free.
- There are some pictures of Dartford station in Dartford Station – June 27th 2022.
But I do suspect that the station probably needs extra capacity and a substantial rebuild.
Stone Crossing, Greenhithe And Swanscombe Stations
Stone Crossing, Greenhithe and Swanscombe stations will be handling 10 tph.
- Greenhithe is a new station with full step-free access.
- But Stone Crossing and Swanscombe stations may need improvement to bring them up to Elizabeth Line standards.
- More details of Stone Crossing station are given in Stone Crossing Station – June 27th 2022.
- More details of Greenhithe station are given in Bluewater Shopping Centre By Train.
- More details of the current state of Swanscombe station are given in Swanscombe Station – June 27th 2022.
- The one level crossing in the area was closed in 2018.
- There may be scope to add an extra track at places in this section.
I feel that these three stations could be fairly easy to bring up to the required standards.
Northfleet Station
Northfleet station is a station, which in the words of estate agent; Roy Brooks, would have a lot of potential.
This Google Map shows the station.
Note.
- The two tracks through the station are the North Kent Line.
- The other two tracks are freight sidings.
- The car-parks at Ebbsfleet station are in the South-West corner of the map.
- There appears to be a large cleared site to the North-West of the station.
These pictures show the station.
The requirements for the station will be as follows.
- The ability to handle 6 tph passing through.
- The ability to be able to handle 4 tph, that terminate at the station.
- Terminating four tph, will probably need two platforms for all eventualities.
- Full step-free access.
- An interchange with Ebbsfleet International station is also needed.
- Is car parking needed?
There is certainly enough space.
The Pedestrian Link Between Northfleet And Ebbsfleet Stations
This is part of the plan and is shown on the first map in this post.
This Google Map shows Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
Note.
- The large Ebbsfleet International station towards the bottom of the map.
- Northfleet station on the North Kent Line in the North East corner of the map.
- The two stations are about five hundred metres apart as the crow flies.
There has been a lot of pressure in the past to build a pedestrian link between the two stations, as reported by the Wikipedia entry for Northfleet station.
The station is very close to Ebbsfleet International station (the NNE entrance is only 334 yards (305 m) from Northfleet’s station), but passengers (using public transport) will find it far easier to access Ebbsfleet International from Gravesend or Greenhithe, as these stations are more accessible and offer easy access to Fastrack bus services. The walking route between the two stations is 0.6 miles (1 km) or 0.8 miles (1.3 km) and a suitable pedestrian link has not been built because of funding issues and objections from Land Securities.
Why when Ebbsfleet International station was built in the early 2000s for opening in 2007, was a pedestrian link not built between the two stations?
How much did omitting the link save?
Luton Airport are building the Luton DART, which is a people mover to connect Luton Airport Parkway station with the airport.
- It is 1.4 miles long.
- It is fully automated.
- It might have an extra station serving the mid-stay parking.
- It appears to be taking three years to build.
All of this very comprehensive system appears to be costing around £200 million.
I doubt that a simple pedestrian link, like a bridge with travellators, would have cost more than a few tens of million pounds.
Will Northfleet/Ebbsfleet Become A Major Railway Hub?
If Northfleet station and the connection to Ebbsfleet is well designed,, I can see this station becoming a major railway hub.
- It would have Eurostar Continental services.
- It would have HighSpeed services to London and Kent.
- It would have Elizabeth Line services to London and Heathrow.
- It would have Thameslink and Southeastern services.
- The station would have lots of parking.
I also feel in the future that more Continental services will be developed.
- Adding extra platforms for Continental services could be easier than at St. Pancras.
- It could be an ideal terminus for sleeper trains to and from the Continent.
- I might be the ideal terminus for very long distance trains to and from the Continent.
Northfleet/Ebbsfleet has something that St. Pancras lacks – space.
Gravesend Station
Gravesend station is a rebuilt step-free station with three platforms, as these pictures show.
But is it the right station, for the end of the Elizabeth Line?
These points are in favour.
- There is a bay platform, that could handle 4 tph.
- The station is step-free.
- The station has had a recent refurbishment.
- It has HighSpeed services to London and East Kent.
- Gravesend is a town of 74,000 people.
- Passengers can change between through trains by just staying on the same platform.
But these points are against.
- The station is on a cramped site in the town centre.
- There is no train stabling nearby.
- Adding lots of car parking may be difficult.
- Suppose adding the Elizabeth Line to the town was very successful and it was felt more services were needed. Could Gravesend station cope?
These are the times for the various services.
- HighSpeed to St. Pancras – 25 minutes
- HighSpeed to Stratford – 17 minutes
- Southeastern to Charing Cross – 65 minutes
- Thameslink to Abbey Wood- 28 minutes
- Thameslink to London Bridge – 60 minutes
I estimate that the Elizabeth Line will take just over 50 minutes to Tottenham Court Road.
This last timing in itself is a good reason for the Elizabeth Line to serve Gravesend.
But I don’t think the Elizabeth Line has to start there.
I am worried that the Elizabeth will be too successful.
- It serves Central London, Paddington and Heathrow.
- It will have a frequency of four tph from and to Gravesend.
- It will have trains with a very large capacity.
- The trains will have wi-fi and 4G connections.
I don’t think the cramped Gravesend station will be able to cope with the needs of expansion.
- An extra platform.
- Handling trains that need to be turned back to London.
- More car parking.
Northfleet/Ebbsfleet will have the parking and eight tph on the Elizabeth Line, so surely the best solution is to have the actual Elizabeth Line terminal station to the East of Gravesend.
- Travellers to the West of Gravesend will use Northfleet/Ebbsfleet.
- Travellers in Gravesend will use Gravesend station by walking, cycling or using a local bus.
- Travellers to the East of Gravesend will use the new terminal station.
The Elizabeth Line extension is supposedly costing £3.2 billion, so it should serve as many potential passengers as possible.
The Elephant In The Garden Of England
It is proposed that the new Lower Thames Crossing is built to the East of Gravesend.
This map from the Department of Transport, shows the route.
Note.
- The new crossing, which is shown in red, bypasses the Dartford Crossing on the M25.
- The A226 runs between Gravesend and Higham via a junction with the new crossing at Chalk.
- Northfleet is to the West of Gravesend.
This Google Map shows the area between Chalk and Higham.
Note.
- Chalk in the North-West corner of the map.
- Higham in the South-East corner of the map.
- The A226 running between Chalk and Higham.
- Higham station on the North Kent Line about half-way up the East side of the map.
- The North Kent Line running across the top of the map between Gravesend and Higham stations via Hoo Junction.
The Lower Thames Crossing will run North-South across this map to the East of Chalk and according to the Department of Transport map to the West of Thong.
I should admit, that I don’t drive, so the Lower Thames Crossing will be of no use to me, but I have friends in Kent and most seem to be in favour of the new crossing.
Reopening The Hoo Branch To Passenger Trains
In Effort To Contain Costs For Hoo Reopening, I wrote about an article in the April 2022 Edition of Modern Railways with the same title.
This is the first paragraph of the Modern Railways article..
Medway Council is working with Network Rail and other industry players in an effort to make restoration of a passenger service to Hoo on the Isle of Grain branch feasible. The Council was awarded £170 million from the Housing Infrastructure Fund in 2020 to support schemes to facilitate building of 12,000 new houses in the area, with £63 million of the HIF money for reinstatement of services on the Hoo Branch.
The article mentions, this new infrastructure.
- A new station South of the former Sharnal Street station.
- Works to level crossings, of which there are six between Gravesend station and proposed site of the new Hoo station.
- A passing place at Hoo Junction, where the branch joins the North Kent Line.
- A passing place at Cooling Street.
It looks like we may have the smaller project of reopening the Hoo branch railway, whilst a major road and tunnel is built through the area.
This OpenRailwayMap shows the North Kent Line between Gravesend and Higham stations.
Note.
- Gravesend station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- Higham station is at the Eastern edge of the map.
- The railway shown in orange is the North Kent Line.
- The railway shown in yellow is the Hoo branch.
- The railway shown in red is the Channel Tunnel Rail Link.
It looks like the path of the new crossing could follow a similar path to the overhead power cable shown on this map.
According to Modern Railways, the main reason for reopening the Hoo Branch for passenger trains is to provide rail access for new housing on the Isle of Grain.
- Improving the Hoo branch will also help the freight services to the various docks and installations on the Isle of Grain.
- Will the builders of the new crossing, use the Isle of Grain for the supply of aggregates and the disposal of tunnel spoil?
- Remember that barges on the Thames were used to remove the tunnel spoil from London for both Crossrail and the Battersea extension to the Northern Line.
My knowledge of major projects is saying to me, that before the major works of the new crossing are started, this branch railway must be updated, otherwise it will cause problems in the future.
Could this be why, the Hoo branch reopening has been mentioned in both the April and July 2022 Editions of Modern Railways? Perhaps a sensible decision has been made, that means the Hoo branch will be improved first, to speed the construction of the new Lower Thames Crossing.
Could The Elizabeth Line Be Extended To The Proposed Hoo Station?
The proposed Hoo station is to be just South of the former Sharnal Street station.
- This is under ten kilometres from Hoo Junction, where the North Kent Line is electrified.
- A single platform could handle 4 tph, but provision for two platforms would be prudent.
- A couple of sidings could provide stabling.
- Services would join the North Kent Line at Hoo Junction.
- Services would use battery power between Hoo Junction and Hoo station.
- If charging were needed at Hoo station a short length of 25 KVAC overhead electrification would be needed.
- There is plenty of power available locally to power any electrification.
This Google Map shows the possible location of the station.
Note.
- The A 289 road running NE-SW across the map from a roundabout in the North-East corner of the map.
- The A 289 leads from the roundabout in the South-West corner of the map to the Medway Tunnel to Chatham.
- Sharnal Street is between the two roundabouts.
- The single-track railway crosses the A 289 at right-angles, about 500 metres South of Sharnal Street.
- There is even a high voltage power line going through the area to the South of the railway.
It seems to be an ideal place for a station with good road access, space and plenty of power to charge battery vehicles and trains.
I took these pictures of where the A289 crosses over the railway on June 27th 2022.
Note.
- The substation site, which is marked with Network Rail logos. It looks like power has been provided to the site.
- The high-voltage line passing to the South of the site.
- There were trucks carrying tunnel segments. Is there a factory on the Isle of Grain and will it produce segments for the Lower Thames Crossing?
- The Sharnal Street bridge over the railway.
It certainly looks like Network Rail have been planning a station there for some time.
Around The Isle Of Grain
I took these pictures of the Isle of Grain on June 27th 2022.
Note.
- There is a lot of housing planned on the island.
- Someone wants to build a theme park.
- The road past the station leads to the Medway Tunnel.
All these factors would add to the case for the station.
Battery-Electric Class 345 Trains
There would be a need to develop a third-rail battery/electric version of the Class 345 trains.
In this article in Global Rail News from 2011, which is entitled Bombardier’s AVENTRA – A new era in train performance, gives some details of the Aventra’s electrical systems. This is said.
AVENTRA can run on both 25kV AC and 750V DC power – the high-efficiency transformers being another area where a heavier component was chosen because, in the long term, it’s cheaper to run. Pairs of cars will run off a common power bus with a converter on one car powering both. The other car can be fitted with power storage devices such as super-capacitors or Lithium-ion batteries if required. The intention is that every car will be powered although trailer cars will be available.
Unlike today’s commuter trains, AVENTRA will also shut down fully at night. It will be ‘woken up’ by remote control before the driver arrives for the first shift
This was published over eleven years ago, so I suspect Bombardier have refined the concept.
A Simple Extension Of The Elizabeth Line
The branch to Hoo station could be a very simple extension of the Elizabeth Line.
- There appear to be no challenging engineering problems.
- Parking and cycling routes could be provided as required at the station.
- The centre of Gravesend would be under ten minutes from Hoo station.
- There would be a same-platform change for HighSpeed services at Gravesend station.
- The developers of the housing would be over the moon.
- Workers for the Lower Thames Crossing and the big energy projects on the Isle of Grain could reverse commute from London.
- The station would only be a few minutes more than an hour from Central London.
- The station could also double as a Park-and-Ride for Chatham and Gillingham.
- Buses could connect Hoo station to Chatham and Gillingham.
It could prove to be a very valuable station for the Isle of Grain and the Medway Towns.
The Contactless Ticketing Conundrum
This is said on the Transport for London website.
Contactless pay as you go is accepted throughout the Elizabeth line.
So it’s just a case of Have Card Will Travel!
So this will mean, that contactless ticketing will have to be accepted at all stations East of Abbey Wood.
Everybody will love that!
Are There Any Other Possible Elizabeth Line Destinations In Kent?
Train companies, since the days of British Rail have run Peak time commuter trains to bring workers into London in the morning and take them home in the evening.
There will be four tph passing through Gravesend and they don’t all have to go to and from Hoo station.
Digital signalling will give flexibility as to which stations the trains could serve.
Possibilities include.
Gillingham
Gillingham station may be a possibility.
Maidstone West
Maidstone West station may be a possibility.
Rainham
Rainham station has three platforms and is already served by two Thameslink tph to Luton through Central London, which use the bay Platform 0
Some might argue that two Elizabeth Line tph should extend from Abbey Wood to Rainham, to give a four tph service between Abbey Wood and Rainham.
This would be a North Kent Metro.
Rochester
Rochester station has three platforms and Platform 3 can turn trains back to London.
It is already used by Thameslink to turn Peak services.
Project Management
The project may be budgeted to cost £3.2 billion, but it is a small number of independent projects.
- Digital signalling
- Electrification changeover at Abbey Wood station.
- An efficient junction East of Abbey Wood.
- Rebuild Belvedere station with step-free access.
- Rebuild Erith station with step-free access.
- Rebuild Slade Green station with step-free access.
- Extend Slade Green depot.
- Upgrade Dartford station.
- Rebuild Stone Crossing station with step-free access.
- Upgrade Greenhithe station.
- Upgrade Swanscombe station.
- Rebuild Northfleet station with step-free access and two extra bay platforms.
- Install people mover between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
- Upgrade the Hoo Branch.
- Build Hoo station.
Note.
- Gravesend station would only need minimal updating.
- As I said before, I suspect the digital signalling will be the biggest cost.
- Choosing the optimal order is good project management!
- Projects that create fare revenue should be done early, especially if they don’t interfere with services on the railway.
The first projects, that I would develop would be these.
- Rebuild Northfleet station with step-free access and two extra bay platforms.
- Install people mover between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
- Upgrade the Hoo Branch.
- Build Hoo station.
As I said earlier, this project needs to be developed with the Lower Thames Crossing.
Conclusion
This seems an excellent plan.
Councils Back Cheaper Crossrail Extension Option To Kent
The title of this post, is the same as that as this article on New Civil Engineer.
These two paragraphs describe the preferred scheme.
The council’s opted for the cheaper extension option which would see Crossrail extended from Abbey Wood east to Slade Green, Dartford, Greenhithe and Swancombe before stopping near to HS1 station at Ebbsfleet with a stop at Northfleet.
The report notes: “The preferred scheme is one that would see 8 of the 12 Elizabeth Line trains per hour that are currently planned to terminate at Abbey Wood be extended eastwards, sharing the existing North Kent line tracks with the Southeastern and Thameslink services.
Currently, the following services use the proposed route between Abbey Wood and Northfleet.
- Southeastern – two tph – London Cannon Street and London Cannon Street via Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith and Slade Green.
- Southeastern – two tph – London Cannon Street and Dartford via Abbey Wood, Belvedere, Erith and Slade Green.
- Southeastern – two tph – London Charing Cross and Gravesend via Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe and Northfleet
- Thameslink – two tph – Luton and Rainham via Abbey Wood, Slade Green, Dartford, Stone Crossing, Greenhithe, Swanscombe and Northfleet.
Note that tph is trains per hour.
These services provide these frequencies at the stations between Abbey Wood and Northfleet.
- Abbey Wood – eighteen tph, which assumes twelve tph from Crossrail.
- Belvedere – four tph
- Erith – four tph
- Slade Green – six tph
- Dartford – four tph
- Stone Crossing – four tph
- Greenhithe – four tph
- Swanscombe – four tph
- Northfleet – four tph
Note twelve tph from Crossrail terminate at Abbey Wood.
If Crossrail were to run eight tph to Northfleet, this would provide these frequencies at the stations.
- Abbey Wood – eighteen tph, which assumes twelve tph from Crossrail.
- Belvedere – twelve tph
- Erith – twelve tph
- Slade Green – fourteen tph
- Dartford – twelve tph
- Stone Crossing – twelve tph
- Greenhithe – twelve tph
- Swanscombe – twelve tph
- Northfleet – twelve tph
Note four tph from Crossrail terminate at Abbey Wood and eight tph at Northfleet.
These are my thoughts.
A Turnback Facility At Northfleet Station
There will need to be a turnback facility at Northfleet station.
- It will have to handle eight tph
- Nine-car Class 345 trains used by Crossrail are 205 metres long.
Eight tph would suggest that two platforms would be needed.
This Google Map shows Northfleet station.
Note.
- The North Kent Line goes diagonally across the map from North-West to South-East.
- Northfleet station is a two-platform station.
- To the South of the station, there are sidings, which are connected to the North Kent Line.
This picture shows the sidings from Northfleet station, with Ebbsfleet station about a mile away.
It appears that there would be space to add two well-appointed turnback platforms at Northfleet station.
These pictures show some of the features of the current Northfleet station.
Rebuilding to add the turnback facility, could also include.
- Full step-free access
- Modern station buildings
- A deep clean of the pedestrian tunnel.
- An appropriately-sized bus station, with a zero-carbon shuttle bus to Ebbsfleet station.
- Future provision for a high-tech people-mover to Ebbsfleet station.
It is not one of the better stations on the Southeastern network.
But it certainly could be!
I very much feel that Northfleet station needs to be rebuilt with at least two extra platforms.
A People-Mover Between Ebbsfleet And Northfleet Stations
I wrote So Near And Yet So Far! about the poor connection between Ebbsfleet And Northfleet stations.
It is a design crime of the highest order.
There has been a lot of pressure in the past to build a pedestrian link between the two stations, as reported by the Wikipedia entry for Northfleet station.
The station is very close to Ebbsfleet International station (the NNE entrance is only 334 yards (305 m) from Northfleet’s station), but passengers (using public transport) will find it far easier to access Ebbsfleet International from Gravesend or Greenhithe, as these stations are more accessible and offer easy access to Fastrack bus services. The walking route between the two stations is 0.6 miles (1 km) or 0.8 miles (1.3 km) and a suitable pedestrian link has not been built because of funding issues and objections from Land Securities.
Why when Ebbsfleet International station was built in the early 2000s for opening in 2007, was a pedestrian link not built between the two stations?
It sounds like it was a Treasury design for Civil Servants, who work in Westminster and wouldn’t dream of living in Gravesend.
How much did omitting the link save?
Probably in the the long term, about two-fifths of five eighths of f***-all!
The specialists in this type of people-mover are the Doppelmayr/Garaventa Group, who in the UK have built the Emirates Air Line and the Air-Rail Link at Birmingham Airport. Currently, they are building the Luton DART people mover.
Wikipedia says that the Emirates Air-Line cost £60 million.
Wouldn’t something similar be an ideal way to welcome people to the UK?
The London Resort
The London Resort, is described like this in its Wikipedia entry.
The London Resort is a proposed theme park and resort in Swanscombe, Kent. The project was announced on 8 October 2012 and, if given planning permission, it is estimated that construction will begin in 2022, with a first gate opening in summer 2024 and a second gate by 2029.
It certainly sounds the sort of place I avoid, but just like Disneyland Paris, I feel the developers will want a rail connection.
They could even want to have another people-mover from Ebbsfleet station.
Proposals For Crossrail Elizabeth Line Extension To Ebbsfleet Cut Down To Three Options
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Kent Online.
So what are the three options?
Crossrail To Northfleet/Ebbsfleet And Gravesend
The first option provides for an extension of Crossrail from Abbey Wood to Northfleet/Ebbsfleet and Gravesend, sharing the existing tracks with National Rail services.
- Of the 12 trains per hour (tph) that are planned to run to Abbey Wood. four tph will terminate at each of Abbey Wood, Northfleet/Ebbsfleet and Gravesend.
- A single platform at Abbey Wood, Northfleet and Gravesend would be capable of handling the required four tph.
- Crossrail trains would call at all stations on the North Kent Line between Abbey Wood and Gravesend stations.
- It looks like some form of people-mover will be needed between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
- Gravesend station could either turn the trains directly or have a turnback facility to the East of the station at Hoo, where provision has been made for train stabling.
- Extension of Crossrail’s digital signalling along the North Kent Line, at least as far as Hoo would probably be needed to cope with the extra trains.
This option would be feasible and would require just a new platform at Northfleet station, the people-mover and perhaps some work at Gravesend station.
Crossrail To Dartford And Northfleet/Ebbsfleet
The second option is to draw out Crossrail from south east London to Dartford using new dedicated tracks built next to the existing North Kent line, with increased rail service frequency between Dartford and Northfleet.
- All the 12 tph, that currently are planned to run ro Abbey Wood, all will terminate at Dartford station.
- Crossrail trains would call at all stations on the North Kent Line between Abbey Wood and Dartford stations.
- It looks like some form of people-mover will be needed between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations.
- Extension of Crossrail’s digital signalling along the North Kent Line, at least as far as Hoo would probably be needed to cope with the extra trains.
This option would be feasible and would require a new platform at Northfleet station, the people-mover and a lot of work between Abbey Wood and Dartford stations and at Dartford station.
A Lower Cost Option With Buses
A third option consists of improving the National Rail service between Abbey Wood and Northfleet, combined with a new Bus Rapid Transit service.
- It appears Crossrail services would stay the same at Abbey Wood, with all twelve tph terminating at the station, as are currently planned.
- Southeastern services to Dartford via Abbey Wood would be extended to Northfleet. This would increase the number of Southeastern trains to/from London serving stations between Northfleet and Dartford for connection to Crossrail at Abbey Wood from four to eight tph.
- There would need to be turnback facilities at Northfleet station for the Southeastern services.
- Extension of Crossrail’s digital signalling along the North Kent Line, at least as far as Hoo would probably be needed to cope with the extra trains.
- A Bus Rapid Transit service would be provided between Abbey Wood and Ebbsfleet stations via Slade Green, Dartford and Bluewater.
- A Bus Rapid Transit service would be provided between Slade Green and Ebbsfleet via Greenhithe and Northfleet.
- Both Bus Rapid Transit services would have a frequency of six buses per hour.
This option looks to be feasible and would only require a new platform at Northfleet station.
The Views Of New Civil Engineer
This article on New Civil Engineer gives its views on the three options.
It says this of the first option.
This option would require the construction of some sections of additional track and junction works within the existing rail corridor, significant works at Abbey Wood, Slade Green and Dartford stations and require additional land to accommodate additional train stabling facilities.
And this of the second option.
This option would require significant construction work to build a new two track rail alignment alongside the existing North Kent line, requiring potential compulsory purchase of land and property beyond the existing rail corridor in some areas and significant works at Abbey Wood, Slade Green and Dartford stations, as well as the provision of new train stabling facilities.
It doesn’t comment about the third option, which I take to mean, that all work for the trains can be done within the existing rail corridor.
Components Of The Options
Although the options are different there are some components that appear in more than one option.
Improved Digital Signalling
The number of trains running to the East of Abbey Wood station, will surely increase under all three options and I feel it is essential, that modern digital signalling be installed on the North Kent Lines.
More Train Stabling
Commenting on the first two options, New Civil Engineer says that more stabling will be needed.
In the Gibb Report, Chris Gibb looked at stabling problems with Thameslink and found there was a problem along the North Kent Line. I wrote about it in Gibb Report – Hoo Junction Depot.
I feel that a review of all train stabling in Kent should be performed, so that there is enough space to service and stable the trains of the various operators.
When Crossrail was originally planned, the route was safeguarded to Gravesend and Hoo Junction was put forward as somewhere to stable trains.
A Turnback Platform At Northfleet Station
All three options need a turnback platform at Northfleet station.
- In Option 1 it will be handling Crossrail trains.
- In Options 2 and 3, it will be handling Southeastern trains.
- It probably needs to handle four tph.
- Nine-car Class 345 trains used by Crossrail are 205 metres long.
- Twelve-car Class 377 trains used by Southeastern are 240 metres long.
This Google Map shows Northfleet station.
Note.
- The North Kent Line goes diagonally across the map from North-West to South-East.
- Northfleet station is a two-platform station.
- To the South of the station, there are sidings, which are connected to the North Kent Line.
This picture shows the sidings from Northfleet station, with Ebbsfleet station about a mile away.
It appears that there would be space to add a well-appointed turnback platform at Northfleet station.
These pictures show some of the features of the current Northfleet station.
Rebuilding to add the turnback platform, could also include.
- Full step-free access
- Modern station buildings
- A deep clean of the pedestrian tunnel.
- An appropriately-sized bus station, with a zero-carbon shuttle bus to Ebbsfleet station.
- Future provision for a high-tech people-mover to Ebbsfleet station.
It is not one of the better stations on the Southeastern network.
But it certainly could be!
I very much feel that Northfleet station needs to be rebuilt with an extra platform.
A People-Mover Between Ebbsfleet And Northfleet Stations
I wrote So Near And Yet So Far! about the poor connection between Ebbsfleet And Northfleet stations.
It is a design crime of the highest order.
There has been a lot of pressure in the past to build a pedestrian link between the two stations, as reported by the Wikipedia entry for Northfleet station.
The station is very close to Ebbsfleet International station (the NNE entrance is only 334 yards (305 m) from Northfleet’s station), but passengers (using public transport) will find it far easier to access Ebbsfleet International from Gravesend or Greenhithe, as these stations are more accessible and offer easy access to Fastrack bus services. The walking route between the two stations is 0.6 miles (1 km) or 0.8 miles (1.3 km) and a suitable pedestrian link has not been built because of funding issues and objections from Land Securities.
Why when Ebbsfleet International station was built in the early 2000s for opening in 2007, was a pedestrian link not built between the two stations?
It sounds like it was a Treasury design for Civil Servants, who work in Westminster and wouldn’t dream of living in Gravesend.
How much did omitting the link save?
Probably in the the long term, about two-fifths of five eighths of f***-all!
The specialists in this type of people-mover are the Doppelmayr/Garaventa Group, who in the UK have built the Emirates Air Line and the Air-Rail Link at Birmingham Airport. Currently, they are building the Luton DART people mover.
Wikipedia says that the Emirates Air-Line cost £60million.
Wouldn’t something similar be an ideal way to welcome people to the UK?
The London Resort
The London Resort, is described like this in its Wikipedia entry.
The London Resort is a proposed theme park and resort in Swanscombe, Kent. The project was announced on 8 October 2012 and, if given planning permission, it is estimated that construction will begin in 2022, with a first gate opening in summer 2024 and a second gate by 2029.
It certainly sounds the sort of place I avoid, but just like Disneyland Paris, I feel the developers will want a rail connection.
They could even want to have another people-mover from Ebbsfleet station.
A Connection To The Bluewater Shopping Centre
The Bluewater Shopping Centre is not easy to get to by public transport and requires a bus from Greenhithe for Bluewater station.
Only Option 3 offered an improvement with a bus between Abbey Wood and Ebbsfleet stations via Slade Green, Dartford and Bluewater, that would run every ten minutes.
Conclusion
It seems that whatever option is eventually chosen, certain works will need to be performed as they are needed for all options.
- Extension of Crossrail’s digital signalling along the North Kent Line, at least as far as Hoo junction would probably be needed to cope with the extra trains.
- A review of train stabling in Kent should be carried out, to make sure there are enough places to service and stable the trains needed, by all the operators/
- Northfleet station needs to be rebuilt with an extra turnback platform for at least four tph.
- Provision should be made for a possible people-mover between Ebbsfleet And Northfleet stations.
The North Kent Line to the East of Abbey Wood station would now be ready for whichever option is chosen.
Because of the London Resort, which has still not been given a definite go-ahead we could see some changes and other options or even some that combine more than one option.




































































































































