Extending The Elizabeth Line – Connecting West Anglia Main Line Services To The Central Tunnel
If say it was ever needed to run a train between Cambridge or Stansted stations and the Central Tunnel of the Elizabeth Line, three things must be possible.
Trains Would Have To Be Compatible With The Central Tunnel Of The Elizabeth Line
As any train would have to be compatible with the platform-edge doors in the central tunnel of the Elizabeth Line, the trains would have to be dimensionally identical to the current Class 345 trains.
- Nine cars
- Possibility of lengthening to ten cars.
- 204.73 metres long.
- 6 sets of doors per carriage
- Ability to run under full digital signalling.
I covered this in detail in Extending The Elizabeth Line – High Speed Trains On The Elizabeth Line.
Trains Would Need A 100 mph Capability To Travel On The Fast Lines Of The West Anglia Main Line
They would be designed for a higher speed of at least 100 mph, to enable running on the fast lines.
The faster running would ease scheduling of the trains.
Effectively, the train would be a Class 345 train with more features and considerably more grunt.
Trains Must Be Able To Connect Between The West Anglia Main Line And The Central Tunnel Of The Elizabeth Line At Stratford
This map from cartometro.com shows the track layout at Stratford.
Note.
- The Elizabeth Line is shown in black and purple.
- The Elizabeth Line enters and leaves the Central Tunnel at the Pudding Mill Lane Portal Eye.
- The West Anglia Main Line to and from Stansted and Cambridge goes through Platforms 11 and 12 at Stratford station, before crossing over Stratford International station and going through Olympic Park Junction.
I am fairly sure that the track layout at Stratford does not allow trains to go both ways between West Anglia Main Line and the Elizabeth Line Central Tunnel.
But I suspect with the addition of a couple of extra crossovers, that this could be arranged.
Extending The Elizabeth Line – Connection To Southeastern High Speed One Services
The Two Stratford Stations
In this post, Stratford station is the station handling Greater Anglia and London Overground, Underground and Docklands Light Railway services, with Stratford International station handles High Speed services.
The Elizabeth Line And The Great Western Railway Services
One of the most important stations on the Elizabeth Line is Paddington, where it connects to the London terminus of the Great Western Railway.
I would expect that quite a few passengers going to the West and Wales on the Great Western Railway, will be transported to Paddington by the Elizabeth Line.
The Elizabeth Line And Greater Anglia Services
Another of the important stations on the Elizabeth Line is Liverpool Street, where the station is the London terminus of the Greater Anglia.
I would expect that quite a few passengers going to East Anglia on the Greater Anglia, will be transported to Liverpool Street by the Elizabeth Line.
Southeastern High Speed One Services
Southeastern runs some High Speed services on High Speed One to provide Kent with an improved service to London.
Current services are
- London St Pancras International to Ramsgate via Faversham.
- London St Pancras International to Ramsgate via Dover Priory.
- London St Pancras International to Margate via Canterbury West.
Note
- All trains are one train per hour (tph).
- All trains stop at Stratford International and Ebbsfleet International.
- All trains are run by 140 mph Class 395 trains.
There has also been talk of running a fourth service to Hastings and Eastbourne via Stratford International, Ebbsfleet International and Ashford International.
St. Pancras Station
All of these trains terminate in three platforms; 11 to 13 at St. Pancras International station.
St. Pancras is not the ideal terminal for the Southeastern High Speed services.
- St. Pancras is not on the Elizabeth Line.
- St.Pancras doesn’t have good connections to Heathrow.
- All connections to the Underground are a long walk.
- Eurostar services are a longer walk.
- East Midland services are also a longer route, with stairs and escalators for good measure.
St. Pancras station was designed by a committee, as a museum to Victorian architecture, rather than as a working station.
Ebbsfleet International Station Must Be The Largest Parkway Station In The UK
It holds nearly five thousand cars and it is served by Southeastern High Speed Services.
Thanet Parkway Station Will Open This Year
Thanet Parkway station is under construction.
- It will have nearly three hundred parking spaces.
- It will be served by Southeastern High Speed Services.
- It should open in May 2023.
This station will need a good connection to London.
Could An Interchange Between The Elizabeth Line And Southeastern High Speed Services Be Provided At Stratford?
Such an alternative interchange would be popular with passengers.
- The Elizabeth Line from Stratford currently serves the West End, the Northern section of the City of London, East London, Liverpool Street, Paddington and the West End directly.
- The Elizabeth Line from Stratford currently serves Canary Wharf, Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Euston, Heathrow, King’s Cross. Reading, St. Pancras and Victoria with a change at Whitechapel.
- The Central Line, which shares platforms with the Elizabeth Line serves Bank and the West End directly.
- The Overground is easily accessed for travel across North London to Richmond.
- The Jubilee Line is easily accessed for travel to London Bridge, Waterloo and Westminster.
It would be connected to two large parkway stations and lots of parking all over Kent.
I believe that Stratford must be promoted as an alternative terminus for Southeastern High Speed Services.
Today, I walked both ways between two Stratford stations.
These pictures show the route I took between Stratford and Stratford International stations, through the Eastfield Shopping Centre.
Note.
- I went through the Shopping Centre.
- I passed Marks & Spencer’s large food hall, excellent toilets and a Food Court.
- By the Food Court is an exit that leads to an entrance to Stratford International station.
- The walk took about 10 minutes.
- It was vaguely level.
- Lifts by-passed the escalators.
- One thing that makes the journey to London easier, is to travel in the Eastern end of the train, as the lifts and escalators at Stratford International station, are at that end.
It does need some better signage, but they were doing a bit of refurbishment, so that may already be underway.
It could be a very high quality interchange and it is already better than St. Pancras.
Coming back I took the longer route outside the Shopping Centre.
Note.
- I just turned left out of the entrance, walked along the road and turned right past the bus station.
- If the weather had been colder or wetter, I’d have gone back via the Shopping Centre.
- The walk took about 12 minutes.
I think normally, I’d go back through the Shopping Centre, as there’s a Marks and Spencer Food Hall on the route and it’s slightly quicker and often warmer.
Could Stratford Station Be A London Superhub Station?
When you consider the stations connected to Stratford in London, East Anglia and Kent, it has an excellent collection.
- Airports – Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Southend and Stansted
- Cities – Cambridge, Canterbury, Chelmsford, Colchester, Ipswich, Norwich and Southend-on-Sea
- London Main and Terminal Stations – Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Clapham Junction, Euston, Farringdon, King’s Cross, London Bridge, Liverpool Street, Marylebone, Moorgate, Paddington, Victoria and Waterloo
- Major Areas – Canary Wharf, City of London, Hampstead, Olympic Park and West End
- Ports – Dover, Felixstowe, Folkestone and Harwich
You can even get a train to Slough, with a change at Whitechapel.
I would think it already is a London Superhub Station.
Extending The Elizabeth Line – Serving South-East London
The Inadequacies Of Abbey Wood Station
Abbey Wood station is the Elizabeth Line’s main terminus in South-East London.
The architecture is impressive, as the pictures taken before the station was finished show.
But other things are less than impressive.
- There is no station parking.
- Central London rail terminals served by Elizbeth Line services are only Liverpool Street/Moorgate and Paddington.
- Central London rail terminals served by National Rail services are Cannon Street, London Bridge, King’s Cross and St. Pancras.
In my view, Abbey Wood is a lost cause, as a commuter station, unless substantial parking is built at the station.
Parking At Stations In West Kent
This list shows the number of car parking spaces at stations in West Kent and South East London.
- Barnehurst – 162 *
- Belvedere – None *
- Bexleyheath – 83 *
- Chatham – 276 *
- Dartford – 186 *
- Ebbsfleet International – 4945 #
- Erith – None *
- Eynsford – 15
- Farningham Road – None
- Gillingham – 152 *
- Gravesend – 94 *
- Greenhithe – 8 *
- Longfield – 88
- Meopham – 167
- Northfleet – None *
- Plumstead – None *
- Rochester – None *
- St. Mary Cray – 31
- Slade Green – 25
- Sole Street – 61
- Stone Crossing – None *
- Strood – 112 *
- Swanley – 106
- Swanscombe – None *
- Welling – 117
Note.
- An asterisk (*) indicates direct trains to and from Abbey Wood station for the Elizabeth Line.
- An hash(#) indicates direct trains to and from Stratford International for the Elizabeth Line.
These figures are according to the National Rail web site.
It looks like unless you can walk to your nearest station and that has an easy connection to Abbey Wood, you’re probably better off going to Ebbsfleet and parking there.
Travelling Between Ebbsfleet International And The Elizabeth Line At Stratford International
Consider.
- Southeastern’s Highspeed service between Ebbsfleet International and Stratford International has a frequency of three trains per hour (tph)
- It takes less than twelve minutes between the two stations.
- It takes ten minutes to walk between Stratford International and Stratford Station for the Elizabeth Line and Greater Anglia services.
- There are eight Elizabeth Line tph to Paddington, calling at all stations. For Heathrow change at Whitechapel station.
Note.
- From these points, it should be possible to estimate the time you should park at Ebbsfleet to get to an event in London or East Anglia, if you live in Kent and are parking at Ebbsfleet International.
- I think four tph between Ebbsfleet International and Stratford International would make the route more attractive.
- If you’re going to Norwich or Ipswich be careful, as only one of the two tph stop at Stratford.
I catch the 12:30 from Liverpool Street for matches at Ipswich on Saturdays. This is the 12:38 from Stratford, so I suspect if you parked at parked at Ebbsfleet before 12:00, you’d make it.
Who’d have thought, that when they built the massive car parks at Ebbsfleet international, that they would be a Park-and-Ride for football at Ipswich. And Norwich too!
Changing Trains At Stratford
This map from Cartometro shows the two Stratford stations.
Note.
- The Elizabeth Line is shown in purple.
- The Central Line is shown in red.
- The Jubilee Line is shown in silver.
- The Overground is shown in orange.
- Lifts and escalators take passengers to and from the surface from between platforms 2 and 3 at Stratford International station.
Two pedestrian tunnels connect all the platforms in Stratford station.
- Elizabeth Line trains use platforms 5 and 8.
- Central Line trains use platforms 3, 3a and 6.
- Great Eastern Main Line trains use platforms 9, 9a and 10.
- Overground trains use platforms 1 and 2.
All platforms have lifts.
I suspect, that when you get to know the Stratford complex well, it’s easier than it looks.
But it does need better signage.
Full Step-Free Route Between Ebbsfleet And Heathrow Central
I have just used Transport for London’s Journey Planner, as if I was in a wheelchair and need full step-free access to go from Ebbsfleet to Heathrow Central.
This was the route.
- Southeastern to Stratford International station – 10 mins
- Walk to Stratford station – 21 mins
- Jubilee Line to Bond Street – 24 mins
- Bond Street to Heathrow Central – 32 mins
Note.
- The times are slower than say myself.
- I think it is possible to pick up the Elizabeth Line at Stratford.
But the route is certainly possible in a wheel-chair.
The Penge Interchange
This map from Cartometro shows where the East London Line of the London Overground and the Chatham Main Line between Victoria and Chatham cross in Penge.
Note.
- The East London Line runs North-South through Sydenham and Penge West stations.
- The Chatham Main Line runs through Penge East station.
There is a plan by Transport for London to create a Penge Interchange station on railway land, where the two lines cross.
- The station could replace Penge West and Penge East stations.
- It would be fully step-free.
- Interchange would be allowed between the East London Line and the Chatham Main Line.
This would increase connectivity for those travelling to and from South-East London and West Kent.
I brlieve that this one interchange could help level-up a large area of South-East London.
Stratford Station Secures Funding For Plans Set To Relieve Overcrowding
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Rail Technology Magazine.
These are the first two paragraphs.
Reduced congestion at London’s Stratford station is on the table as Network Rail secure a £2m boost from the Department for Transport.
Stratford Station has seen a surge in demand – despite the impact of the pandemic – ever since the 2012 Olympics, and the forecast for this is set to grow even more as the area continues to regenerate.
Something needs to be done as it is he busiest non-terminal station in London, that before the pandemic was handling over 42 million passengers per year.
Nothing specific is said, except that more space will be created for passengers with better wayfinding.
Although the article says that this could be a five year project.
The Current Station
This is an extract from It’s Time To Detopsify Stratford Station, which was a previous look at Stratford station in May this year.
This map from cartometro.com shows the Topsy-like nature of the platforms at Stratford.
Note.
- The Docklands Light Railway is shown in turquoise.
- The DLR platforms in the North-West corner of the map are those of Stratford International station.
- High Speed One and the four platforms of Stratford International station are shown in black.
- The North London Line of the London Overground is shown in orange.
- The North London Line terminates in Platforms 1 and 2, which have a level link to Platform 12.
- Platform 12 is on the anti-clockwise platform for the High Meads Loop and has step-free access to the subway system underneath the station.
- Platform 11 is on the clockwise platform for the High Meads Loop and has level access to Platform 10a and full step-free access,
- Platform 10a is used by some services to East Anglia.
- Crossrail is shown in blue.
- The Central Line is shown in red.
- The Jubilee Line is shown in silver.
It is not the best passenger-friendly station layout.
What Would I Do?
These are what I would like to see.
Better Information on the Overground Platforms
If I am returning from Stratford after doing some shopping at Eastfield, I will often climb up the stairs or rise in the lift to the two Overground platforms 1 and 2. I will often find two trains there, but there is no indication to say which will be the first train to leave.
Use Of The High Meads Loop
The High Meads Loop is a double-track loop at the Southern end of the branch of the West Anglia Main Line that leads to Stratford.
- It is mainly underneath the Eastfield shopping centre.
- It serves Platforms 11 and 12 in Stratford station.
As the single-track loop of the Wirral Line under Liverpool can handle up to sixteen trains per hour (tph), I believe that the High Meads Loop could be used as the Southern terminus for an improved service to Cambridge, Stansted Airport and up the Lea Valley to Cheshunt, Chingford, Harlow and Hertford East.
The signage from when Stratford had a Stansted Express service is still there and shown in this picture.
This is almost symptomatic of the chaotic nature of the station.
I get the impression from this sign, that one of the original design criteria of the High Meads Loop and the Overground platforms at Stratford for the North London Line was to create an easy route for the whole of North London to Stansted Airport and Cambridge.
Or is it just a symptom of Too Many Cooks Syndrome, where everybody had their own ideas and no-one took charge and designed Stratford station properly?
Let’s hope Network Rail are fully in charge, as this is not a project to interest Sadiq Khan, as it’s not in South London and that area of London won’t benefit.
A Better Connection Between Stratford Station And Southeastern HighSpeed Services
I have just looked up how it is recommended you might travel between Richmond and Faversham.
The timetable recommends a double-change at Clapham Junction and Victoria.
I would take the Overground to Stratford and then change to the Southeastern HighSpeed services.
- This route is a single change.
- The change is step-free.
- The change involves passing the best station stop in the UK; Marks and Spencer’s large store in the Eastfield Shopping Centre, where takeaway food is well placed for passing trade.
But the change is badly signposted and could be a long walk with a heavy case.
There is probably a need for some form of people mover that connects all the platforms at Stratford station to the platforms at Stansted International station.
Conclusion
Sort it!
It’s Time To Detopsify Stratford Station
Stratford Station has grown like Topsy for too long and has several problems and possible future expansions.
Not least of these include.
- The final arrival of Crossrail.
- A direct connection to Chingford.
- A Stansted Express service.
- Massive housing developments in the area.
- More hotels
- New cultural developments like the branch of the Victoria and Albert Museum.
- A new campus for University College London.
This article on IanVisits is entitled Stratford Station Set For Massive Transformation.
This is his opening paragraph.
Stratford station could be radically redeveloped under plans being worked on by the rail companies and local council.
That is rather understated!
The station will become several times busier and needs a complete rethink, many more services and deTopsification.
These are my thoughts.
The Development Of The High Meads Loop
The High Meads Loop exists and is a double-track loop that can turn trains arriving at Stratford station via Lea Bridge station.
- It is underneath the Eastfield Shopping Centre – Westfield is in the West of London.
- Each track of the loop has its own long platform in the station. – Platform 11 is for clockwise trains and Platform 12 is for anti-clockwise.
- It has been used in the past for a Stansted Express service.
The Wirral Line in Liverpool like the High Meads Loop is now a modern loop for turning trains.
- The Wirral Loop is only single-track.
- It gives connections for over thirty stations on the Wirral and in Cheshire and North Wales to Liverpool City Centre.
- It is run by fifty-year-old Class 507 and Class 508 trains.
- The loop has now been improved and can handle upwards of the fourteen trains per hour (tph) it currently does.
Merseyrail will soon be introducing new Class 777 trains on the Wirral Line in the near future and will be increasing services and the number of destinations.
British Rail’s vision for Liverpool, that was cruelly cut-short by Liverpool MP; Harold Wilson, is finally coming to fruition.
Newcastle also got its British Rail tunnel which is now being used by the Metro, but what would have happened in Manchester if British Rail had been allowed to build the Picc-Vic Tunnel?
I have a strong belief, that a Lea Valley Metro can be developed on the West Anglia Main Line.
- It would have two Southern terminals – Liverpool Street station and the High Meads Loop at Stratford.
- When it opens, Crossrail will mean that Liverpool Street and Stratford stations will be seven or eight minutes apart with a frequency of at least 12 tph.
- Northern terminals would include Broxbourne, Cheshunt, Chingford, Enfield Town and Hertford East.
- Crossrail 2 was planned to have a frequency of 10 and 15 tph between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne stations.
I believe that if services in East London are thoroughly reorganised, that all the benefits of Crossrail 2 can be brought to East London by the use of the High Meads Loop and the upgrading of existing lines.
Stansted Express Services
Go to Stratford station and there is an out-of-date sign at the end of Platform 1 and 2, where the Overground trains terminate.
It directs passengers to Platform 12 for Stansted Airport.
The picture was taken in 2017, but there is still a walk-through to Platform 12, that I use regularly, if I’m changing between London Overground and Greater Anglia or TfL Rail services to destinations on both the West Anglia or Great Eastern Main Lines.
I believe that there is still a need for a Stansted Express services from Stratford, as for some people, including myself, it is easier to get to Stratford, than Liverpool Street.
From some places the connections to and from Stansted are not very good. Try going between London Bridge, Canterbury, Euston, Victoria or Waterloo and Stansted with a few mobility issues like a heavy suitcase and/or a baby, without a degree in Ducking-and-Diving!
An additional Stansted Express service from Stratford would make things a lot easier to get to the airport for many travellers, because of Stratford’s connections to the Central, Jubilee and North London Lines and SouthEastern’s Highspeed services.
Better Connection Between High Speed One And The High Meads Loop For Passengers
Some passenger connections are missing at Stratford.
This is indicated in the IanVisits article.
This map from cartometro.com shows the Topsy-like nature of the platforms at Stratford.
Note.
- The Docklands Light Railway is shown in turquoise.
- The DLR platforms in the North-West corner of the map are those of Stratford International station.
- High Speed One and the four platforms of Stratford International station are shown in black.
- The North London Line of the London Overground is shown in orange.
- The North London Line terminates in Platforms 1 and 2, which have a level link to Platform 12.
- Platform 12 is on the anti-clockwise platform for the High Meads Loop and has step-free access to the subway system underneath the station.
- Platform 11 is on the clockwise platform for the High Meads Loop and has level access to Platform 10a and full step-free access,
- Platform 10a is used by some services to East Anglia.
- Crossrail is shown in blue.
- The Central Line is shown in red.
- The Jubilee Line is shown in silver.
It is not the best passenger-friendly station layout.
- Inevitability, you often find yourself trudging a long way at Stratford station.
- Changing to or from any high speed services is supremely difficult.
- Often you have to walk through the busy Eastfield Shopping Centre.
Particularly annoying for me is coming back from Kent on High Speed One and needing to take the North London Line, as I do several times a year.
As it involves a long walk through the Shopping Centre, I now take the easy way out and carry on to St. Pancras and get a taxi home.
As Stratford International is one of the draughtiest stations in England, the station is a real Design Crime and it needs a serious makeover.
Conclusion
Sort it!
London Will Still Need Crossrail 2 To Deal With HS2 Influx, London Mayor Predicts
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Building.
This is the first paragraph.
Sadiq Khan says he expects mothballed scheme will eventually get built.
I don’t disagree that it will eventually get built, but it will be long after both Sadiq Khan and myself have gone.
You might think, that as I live in Dalston, I would be very much in favour of Crossrail 2 being built as soon as possible.
But then, I’m a duck-and-diver and there will always be a quick route to get to Euston.
I currently use four routes regularly and coming home, if it’s late or I want to get home quickly to cook supper say, I can take a taxi for a reasonable price.
The easiest way is actually to walk about two hundred metres and get a 73 bus to directly outside Euston station.
I very much feel we need to improve access in London to High Speed Two and that this can be done by making sure several smaller projects are completed before High Speed Two opens.
Improved Underground Connections At Euston Station
This page on the High Speed Two web site, says this about the station layout and Underground connections at the rebuilt station.
HS2 will deliver eleven new 400m long platforms, a new concourse and improved connections to Euston and Euston Square Underground stations. Our design teams are also looking at the opportunity to create a new northerly entrance facing Camden Town as well as new east-west links across the whole station site.
I would suspect that connection to the Underground will have step-free options.
I wrote about Underground connections at Euston station in Ian Publishes Details Of Future Developments At Euston And Euston Square Underground Stations.
The developments certainly look comprehensive and include a new entrance in Gordon Street on the South side of Euston Road.
Note.
- The view is looking North.
- A tunnel from this entrance will lead to the Eastern ends of the platforms at Euston Square station, where it appears there will be at least escalator access.
- The tunnel will also lead into Euston station.
- It is a simple improvement, that shouldn’t be too challenging.
This diagram shows the layout of the tunnel.
It looks to me to be a neat design, that could be installed between Gordon Street and Euston Square stations without disturbing the traffic on the busy Euston Road.
Once the subway and the Gordon Street entrance were built, there would have these benefits.
- There would be a step-free route between Euston and Euston Square stations.
- It would be a shorter walk in an air-conditioned tunnel, rather than currently along the very polluted Euston Road.
- It would be the fastest way to transfer between Euston and Kings Cross or St. Pancras stations.
- It would give excellent access to the other London terminal stations of Liverpool Street, Moorgate and Paddington.
- It would give step-free access to Crossrail at Farrington, Liverpool Street, Moorgate, Paddington and Whitechapel
- With a change at Farringdon or Liverpool Street to Crossrail, it would offer the fastest route to Canary Wharf.
- The Gordon Street entrance would improve walking routes between Euston station and University College London and other buildings on the South side of Euston Road.
I also suspect that as this project is part of the rebuilding of Euston station for High Speed Two, that it will be completed before Euston station opens for High Speed Two.
If possible, it should be built much sooner to improve access between Euston station and the sub-surface lines.
Once open, even without other improvements at Euston station, this subway would improve access to Euston station by a very substantial amount.
Camden Town Station Upgrade
In 2015, I went to see an exhibition about the proposed expansion of Camden Town station and wrote The Camden Town Station Upgrade Exhibition.
I believe this upgrade should be delivered before High Speed Two opens around the end of this decade.
But due to the financial problems of Transport for London, this project has now been kicked into the long grass.
The Wikipedia entry for Camden Town station, states that upgrading the station will take four years.
Northern Line Split
The completion of the Camden Town Station Upgrade will enable the splitting of the Northern Line into two separate lines, after the completion of the Northern Line Extension to Battersea and the Bank Station Upgrade.
- Northern Line West – Edgware to Battersea Power Station via Camden Town, Euston, Charing Cross and Waterloo.
- Northern Line East – High Barnet to Morden via Camden Town, Euston, Kings Cross, Moorgate, Bank and London Bridge.
Each branch will be running at least 24 trains per hour (tph) and will significantly increase capacity between High Speed Two and other terminal stations and the City of London.
The Northern Line should be split into two lines by the time High Speed Two opens, but with no start date in sight for the Camden Town Station Upgrade, this might not be possible.
Victoria Line Improvements
The Victoria Line or Dear Old Vicky probably won’t be able to help much, but I do think it would be feasible to improve the three most inadequate stations on the line.
- Oxford Circus station needs more capacity and step-free access.
- Highbury & Islington station needs step-free access to the deep lines to complete the station, which was only half-built in the 1960s.
- Walthamstow Central station needs to be double-ended and have step-free access.
I doubt the money can be found to carry out these improvement projects, that are essential, but very much smaller than the Camden Town Station Upgrade.
Sub-Surface Lines Improvements
The big project on the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines is the Four Lines Modernisation (4LM) project.
- It is an upgrade of the trains, track, electrical supply, and signalling systems.
- This will add 27 % more capacity in the Peak.
- As anybody will know, who has been to a major event at Wembley Stadium, the new S8 Stock trains, that have been running for a few years now, have an almost infinite capacity.
- Incidentally, the S8 Stock trains hold 1350 passengers, which is not far short of the 1500 that each Crossrail Class 345 train can hold.
- Euston Square station will have a step-free connection from the rebuilt Euston station complex.
Most of the Modernisation will be completed by 2023.
I believe that the sub-surface lines will become the main method to get to and from the upgraded Euston station, until Crossrail 2 is built.
- There will be direct trains to around seventy stations from Euston Square station.
- With a change at Paddington to Crossrail, there is a route to Heathrow Airport and Reading.
- With a change at Farringdon or Liverpool Street to Crossrail, there is a route to East London, Canary Wharf and South East London.
- With a change at Farringdon to Thameslink, there are routes to over a hundred stations.
- With a change at Whitechapel to the East London Line, there are routes to North, East and South London.
When you consider that the Metropolitan Line opened in 1863 and was the first passenger-carrying underground railway in the world, hasn’t it done well?
When the Euston Square station upgrade is complete, I will probably use that route to get home from Euston, changing on to a bus at Moorgate, which stops close to my house.
Old Oak Common Station
High Speed Two’s Old Oak Common station is introduced like this on this page on the High Speed Two web site.
Old Oak Common is a new super hub set to be the best connected rail station in the UK.
This map from Transport for London shows the various lines at the station.
Note.
- The bright blue line is High Speed Two.
- The purple line is the Great Western Main Line and Crossrail.
- I suspect that the interchange between these three lines will be a good one.
- Will all Great Western services stop at Old Oak Common station?
- The orange lines are London Overground services, with two new stations; Old Oak Common Lane and Hythe Road close to the main Old Oak Common station.
- The green line is the Southern service between Milton Keynes and South Croydon.
- The red line is the Central Line and it could be joined to the main station.
- There are plans for a West London Orbital Railway, from Brent Cross and West Hampstead in the North to Hounslow and Kew Bridge in the West, that would call at the main Old Oak Common station.
Old Oak Common station could be well connected to most of London, through its Crossrail. London Overground and West London Orbital connections.
It is my view that these three smaller projects must be completed before the opening of High Speed Two.
- Hythe Road station
- Old Oak Common Lane station
- West London Orbital Railway.
None of these three projects would be very challenging.
Chiltern Railways And High Speed Two
Chiltern Railways already have a London Marylebone and Birmingham Moor Street service
Birmingham Moor Street station will be close to High Speed Two’s Birmingham Curzon Street station.
Plans exist for a second London terminus for Chiltern Railways close to the main Old Oak Common station.
- Could Chiltern Railways become a partner for High Speed Two on routes like between Leeds and Banbury?
- They could certainly bring passengers to Old Oak Common from Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Warwickshire.
- One of my principles on High Speed Two, is that it should be a One-Nation railway.
Old Oak Common would be a very different station to Marylebone with its very useful Crossrail. London Overground and West London Orbital connections.
The terminal for Chiltern Railways at Old Oak Common is another project that should be completed before the opening of High Speed Two.
The Duality Of Euston and Old Oak Common Stations
Euston and Old Oak Common stations could almost be considered to be one station.
- All High Speed Two trains terminating or starting at Euston also call at Old Oak Common station.
- They will be just five minutes apart.
- Both stations have comprehensive networks of connections.
- Taken together the connections from both stations cover most of London and the South East.
There could be advantages for both operators and passengers.
- Would a ticket to and from London Terminals be usable at both stations?
- For some London destinations, passengers might prefer to use one terminal or the other.
- By changing at Old Oak Common to Crossrail will probably be the fastest way to Heathrow, the West End, the City, Canary Wharf and other places.
- Passengers could make the decision about the London terminal to use en route.
- Operators sometimes put the cleaning crew on the train at the last station before the terminal to save time in the turnround. The closeness of the two stations would enable this.
I think the London end of High Speed Two has been designed to make it easy for the operator and passengers.
The Losers If Crossrail 2 Isn’t Built
Crossrail 2 will provide better access to High Speed Two and the London terminals of Euston, Kings Cross, St. Pancras and Victoria for parts of London and the South East.
Victoria Line Passengers
The Victoria Line will have interchanges with Crossrail 2 at the following stations.
- Tottenham Hale
- Euston and Kings Cross St. Pancras on the Victoria Line and Euston St. Pancras on Crossrail 2
- Victoria
Note.
- Crossrail 2 will relieve capacity on the Victoria Line between Tottenham Hale and Victoria
- There will be a very comprehensive interchange at Euston St. Pancras to serve High Speed Two, Eurostar and classic lines out of Euston, Kings Cross and St. Pancras.
From what has been disclosed about the connrection between Euston and Euston Square stations transfer between Euston and Kings Cross and St. Pancras will be a lot easier than it is now.
This reworking of the poor connection to Euston Square station might take some pressure off the Victoria Line.
It might also might be possible to squeeze more trains down Dear Old Vicky.
Passengers On The Suburban Lines Into Waterloo
The suburban lines into Waterloo will go into tunnel at Wimbledon and connect directly to Victoria, Euston, St. Pancras and Kings Cross.
This will be superb access for South West London to four major London terminals.
Without Crossrail 2, passengers will have to use one of these routes to get to and from Euston.
- Change at Waterloo to the Northern Line.
- Change at Waterloo to the Bakerloo Line and then at Oxford Circus to the Victoria Line.
- Change at Vauxhall to the Victoria Line.
Could it be, that the Northern Line Extension should be extended to Clapham Junction station, as it is an aspiration over a safeguarded route under Battersea Park?
In An Analysis Of Waterloo Suburban Services Proposed To Move To Crossrail 2, I showed it was possible to run a Crossrail 2 schedule of four tph into Waterloo station, if the following were done.
- More platform capacity in Waterloo.
- Modern high-performance 100 mph trains like Class 707 trains or Aventras.
- Some improvements to track and signals between Waterloo and Wimbledon stations.
- Wimbledon station would only need minor modifications.
- A measure of ATC between Waterloo and Wimbledon stations.
This would not be a large project
Passengers In Balham And/Or Tooting
Crossrail 2 is planned to run between Wimbledon and Victoria via the following stations.
Note.
- Crossrail 2 should take pressure off the Northern Line.
- Public Opinion is against King’s Road Chelsea station. How will their cleaners, cooks and nannies get to work? Especially, as the roads in the area are already jammed by Chelsea tractors.
- The original route favoured Balham to give an interchange with National Rail. Tooting Broadway also has geological problems for the tunneling.
- On the other hand, Sadiq Khan supports the route through Tooting Broadway, which better serves his former constituency.
This Map from cartometro.com shows the rail lines in the area.
Note.
- Balham station in the North is an interchange station between the Northern Line and National Rail, with a possible four National Rail platforms.
- Tooting Broadway is a simple through station on the Northern Line.
- The next station after Wandsworth Common towards London is Clapham Junction.
- Transport for London have been advocating a new Streatham Common station, that would be an interchange between the lines through Streatham Common and those through Streatham.
- Streatham and Tooting stations are on the Wimbledon Loop Line, which only carries two tph in both directions.
Since I have been writing this blog, there have been several ideas to make better use of the National Rail lines in this area.
There was even a plan that I wrote about in 2016 called The Streatham Virtual Tube.
- Trains would run through Streatham Common, Streatham, Streatham, Hill, Balham, Wandsworth Common, Clapham Junction and into Victoria.
- Trains could also go North from Clapham Junction to Old Oak Common for High Speed Two.
- The Streatham Common Interchange would be built. This would give a useful interchange to the Wimbledon Loop Line.
- There would be four tracks through Streatham.
- A tunnel would be build to allow trains to go through both Streatham and Streatham Hill stations.
- It would have an interchange at Balham with the Northern Line.
- It could have an interchange at Clapham Junction with an extended Battersea Branch of the Northern Line.
- Suppose it had a frequency of perhaps six or even ten tph.
I think it might work, but it shows what can be done, with a bit of out-of-the-box thinking.
Passengers In Dalston And Hackney
One of the entrances to the proposed massive double-ended Crossrail 2 station at Dalston will be at the end of my road and very close to where my mother used to work and where her mother was actually born.
East London had not had major rail improvements since the 1950s and 1960s, when most of the lines into Liverpool Street were electrified and the Southbury Loop was reopened.
But since the creation of the Overground in 2007 from the remains of the ill-performing Silverlink, with the addition of new trains and ticketing and a good clean, there has been a series of smaller projects that have been completed, in and around East and North London.
- 2009 – North London Line starts running to new platforms at Stratford.
- 2009 – Stratford International station opens on High Speed One.
- 2010 – East London Line opens with services to Crystal Palace, New Cross, New Cross Gate and West Croydon stations.
- 2011 – A substantially rebuilt Stratford station opens for the Olympics
- 2012 – South London Line opens with services between Dalston Junction and Clapham Junction stations.
- 2012 – The Docklands Light Railway is extended to Stratford and Stratford International stations.
- 2014 – Hampstead Heath station gets an upgrade.
- 2015 – The Lea Valley Lines between Liverpool Street and Cheshunt, Chingford and Enfield Town stations were moved to the Overground.
- 2015 – TfL Rail begins operation between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, using new Class 345 trains.
- 2016 – Lea Bridge station reopened.
- 2016 – Second entrance to Ilford station in York Road reopened.
- 2018 – Northumberland Park station was rebuilt.
- 2019 – The Gospel Oak to Barking Line was electrified and equipped with new Class 710 trains.
- 2019 – West Hampstead station was rebuilt.
- 2019 – The new Meridian Water station opened.
- 2019 – The rebuilt White Hart Lane station opened.
- 2020 – Tottenham Hale station was rebuilt.
- 2020 – The new Class 710 trains were rolled out on the Lea Valley Lines.
Note.
- There have also numerous smaller upgrades like the addition of lifts to several stations.
- Stations between Stratford and Shenfield have been upgraded for Crossrail.
- There has also been considerable upgrades to the electrification, which in some places was not in the best of condition.
- Most lines have a frequency of four tph or more.
Some may feel that East London has done well with rail improvements in the last few years.
I would agree in some ways, but would counter by saying that before the Overground was created, East London’s were in a terrible state and their state today is a excellent example of what can be achieved by good design, planning and execution, without spending vast sums.
East London and the boroughs of Enfield, Hackney, Haringey, Newham and Waltham Forest in particular, now have a good rail network, that is going to get a lot better with the addition of Crossrail.
- The North London Line is about half a mile to the North of where I live and can walk to two stations or get a bus to another three.
- Crossrail will be a couple of miles to the South with station entrances at Moorgate, Liverpool Street, Whitechapel and Stratford.
- There are four electrified railway lines with new trains, which run North-South with connections to the two East-West lines.
- Although my quickest way to Crossrail will be a bus from close to my house to outside Moorgate station.
- I suspect that everybody in the Borough of Hackney and the Eastern part of Islington will be able to get to a Crossrail station in well under thirty minutes.
- In addition, from where I live the Gospel Oak to Barking Line runs a couple of miles North of the North London Line.
I believe that Dalston’s success over the last decade has been a collateral benefit of its comprehensive rail system, supported by lots of shiny new buses.
Does Dalston want Crossrail 2? Probably, Yes!
Does Dalston need Crossrail 2? Possibly, No!
Do other areas of large cities need Dalstonisation of their railway and bus systems? Absolutely!
I certainly don’t regret moving to Dalston!
Note that one of the reasons I’m so keen on the West London Orbital Railway is that it could do the same for North West London, as the Overground and the Lea Valley Lines have done for North East London.
Passengers Along The Lea Valley
Crossrail 2 will connect the Lea Valley Lines to Dalston and on to Central London.
It will involve the following changes to the West Anglia Main Line.
- Four-tracking of the route at least as far as Broxbourne.
- A junction South of Tottenham Hale station will connect the route to a tunnel to Dalston.
- Level crossings at Brimsdown, Enfield Lock and Cheshunt will be removed.
- Like Crossrail, stations would be substantially step-free.
- The signalling will be upgraded to full in-cab digital ERTMS signalling, that is used by Crossrail and Thameslink under London.
This would enable 10-15 tph running between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne stations.
With all the development going on around Cambridge and possible expansion of Stansted Airport, I believe that even if Crossrail 2 is not build, then there will be pressure to four-track the West Anglia Main Line, remove the level crossings and improve the stations and signalling.
If this were to be done, then there is an interim plan that could be implemented that I wrote about, four years ago in Could A Lea Valley Metro Be Created?
I envisaged the following.
- Updating the West Anglia Main Line to four-tracks and a standard suitable for Crossrail 2.
- Using the double-track loop at Stratford as the Southern terminal, for some of the trains.
- Updating the Victoria Line stations. The major interchange at Tottenham Hale station has already been improved substantially.
- Providing an appropriate service between Stratford and Broxbourne stations.
- Terminating some Stansted and Cambridge services in the Stratford Loop, as Stratford has better connections to South London and Kent than Liverpool Street.
- Integrating Lea Valley Metro, London Overground and Greater Anglia services to Bishops Stortford, Cambridge and Hertford North stations.
Note.
- All services connect to Crossrail and the Central Line at the Southern end.
- Services to Liverpool Street connect to National Rail services, the Lea Valley Lines of the London Overground and the Circle, District and Metropolitan Lines.
- Services to Stratford connect to National Rail services, the North London Line of the London Overground and the Jubilee Line.
- Could alternate trains serve Liverpool Street and Stratford?
- Could splitting services between Liverpool Street and Stratford mean that the largest proportion of routes have just a single change?
As Transport for London and the train operating companies know where passengers want to go and actually go, I’m sure that a service pattern, that is acceptable to all could be created.
Conclusion
Crossrail 2 is quoted as being a £33 billion project.
I believe that with a good review lots of money could be saved and other smaller projects could be planned and executed to handle the expected increase in the number of passengers.
I would do the following.
- Camden Town station – Upgrade
- Chiltern Railways – Build their connection to Old Oak Common station
- Euston Station – Improve connections to Euston and Euston Square Underground stations.
- Northern Line – Extend the Battersea branch to Clapham Junction
- Northern Line – Split Into Two Lines
- Overground – Build Old Oak Common Lane and Hythe Road stations
- Southern – Build the new Streatham Common station and implement The Streatham Virtual Tube.
- South Western Railway – Run four tph on all proposed Crossrail 2 routes into Waterloo station
- Victoria Line – Upgrade Highbury & Islington, Oxford Circus and Walthamstow Central stations and increase the frequency if possible
- West Anglia Main Line – Upgrade ready for Crossrail 2 and develop the Lea Valley Metro
All of these projects would have their own benefits, whether Crossrail 2 is built or not!
Only when the needs of all passengers have been assessed in a few years, should we make a decision about Crossrail 2.
Cross City Connect Proposes HS1-HS2 Link
The title of this post is the same as that of an article in the January 2020 Edition of Modern Railways.
The article is only sketchy giving only a few details of the proposal.
- The link would connect HS2 at Old Oak Common to HS1 at Rainham.
- HS2 would not connect to Euston.
- There would be intermediate stations at South Bank Central, Canary Wharf and Barking.
This map, that was posted in the RailUK forums, shows the route.
These are my thoughts on various points of the plan.
The Tunnel Route And South Bank Central Station
The proposed tunnel route is shown in red on the map.
These are my thoughts on the main tunnel.
Western Section – Old Oak Common To South Bank Central Station
This Google Map shows the area of London between Old Oak Common Elizabeth Line Depot and the South Bank.
Note.
- The depot is in the North-West corner marked with the red arrow.
- The Thames as it curves around the South Bank is in the South East corner of the map.
- The Serpentine in Hyde Park can be picked out.
I think that the tunnel would go deep under the West London Line and Hyde Park before cutting away East to the Thames.
Note that when a similar tunnel was dug deep under East London for High Speed One, there wasn’t too much difficulty. But that was twenty-five years ago and tunnelling techniques have surely improved.
There is also all the knowledge, that has been accumulated by the boring of Crossrail and the Thames Tideway Tunnel.
South Bank Central Station
This second Google Map shows the Thames between the London Eye and Blackfriars station.
Blackfriars Bridge, Blackfriarts station, The Hayward Gallery. The National Theatre, The Royal Festival Hall, Waterloo bridge and Waterloo station can all be picked out.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the various lines in the area.
Note.
- There seem to be few lines by the Thames on the South Bank, with just the Bakerloo and Northern Lines crossing the area.
- The Waterloo & City Line crosses further to the East.
- I would suspect, that as most of the buildings in the area of the South Bank have been built since 1950, that detailed plans and surveys exist of the South Bank.
- Even Waterloo Bridge was built as recently as the Second World War, which is young for many of the bridges across the Thames.
This leads me to believe that a substantial station could be built under the South Bank.
- It would have long platforms roughly following the line of the Thames.
- It could be connected to Waterloo station at the South-Western end.
- Connections could surely be made to the Bakerloo and Northern Lines and possibly to the Jubilee Line.
- The Northern Line is being extended to Battersea Power station.
- The Bakerloo Line could be extended to South East London.
- There are possible plans to extend Charing Cross station over Hungerford Bridge, which could be connected as well.
- Could the station be connected to Blackfriars station at the North-Eastern end?
- Could tunnels be built under the Thames to connect the station to the North Bank?
It seems to me, that there are lots of possibilities to make the proposed Soiuth Bank Central station a very well-connected station.
This Google Map may offer a clue as to where the station could poke its head into the South Bank.
Going from West to East across the map, the following can be seen.
- The approach road to Waterloo Bridge.
- The National Theatre
- The IBM Building.
- The London Studios
The last is the interesting building, as it has been sold to Mitsuibishi Estates to be developed as luxury housing. It is also a large site of 2.5 acres and there used to be a tower on the site, so I suspect there could be space for a station in the basement and an entrance or two on the surface.
It would certainly be a wonderful location to arrive at in London.
- Walk to the West and you pass The Nation Theatre, the Hayward Gallery, the Queen Elizabeth Hall and the Festival Hall before arriving at Hungerford Bridge and the footbridges to the North Bank, Charing Cross station and Trafalgar Square.
- Walk further West and you pass the London Eye and come to Westminster Bridge, with The Palace of Westminster, Westminster Abbey and Parliament Square on the other side of the River.
- Walk to the East and you pass Blackfriars station, that sits above the river and the Tate Modern, before arriving at the Millenium Bridge that leads to St. Paul’s Cathedral.
- South Bank Central station could even have a pier for the Thames Clippers.
It would certainly be a Central station, worthy of the name.
In this post entitled Walking Between Blackfriars And Hungerford Railway Bridges, there are a series of pictures I took on the walk.
These pictures show the section around the studios.
Note thaty the river walk is a tree-lined boulevarde and there is an accessible beach.
It should also be noted that the Thames Tideway worksite locations are on the North side of the river at this point of the river, so this could leave space for the Cross City Connect tunnel to be towards the South Bank.
South Bank Central Station And Canary Wharf Station
This Google Map shows the route between the South Bank and Canary Wharf.
Note.
- The South Bank is in the North-West corner of the map.
- East Enders fans will be able to recognise the O2 at the Eastern side of the map.
- Canary Wharf is to the West of the O2 in the bend of the River.
I suspect that the tunnel could be bored roughly along the line of the River before passing under Canary Wharf, where there could be a deep-level station.
Potential Station – Canary Wharf
Canary Wharf station is only labelled as a potential station.
This Google Map shows the Canary Wharf Crossrail station.
Is the design of the station such, that extra lines could be placed alongside or under the Crossrail tracks and connected to the existing station?
There certainly must be a suitable place for a potential station at Canary Wharf, otherwise it wouldn’t have been proposed.
The station would give access to Crossrail, the Docklands Light Railway and the Jubilee Line.
I also expect that the Canary Wharf Group would be very co-operative and could make a contribution to the cost of the station.
Canary Wharf Station To Barking And Rainham
This Google Map shows the final section from Canary Wharf to Rainham.
Note.
- Canary Wharf and the O2 at the West of the map.
- The London City |Airport to the East of the O2, with the water alongside the runway.
- Rainham station marked by a red arrow at the East of the map.
It would appear that the route of the tunnel could be under the River or the runway at the City Airport.
But it should be born in mind, that High Speed One was dug under Barking and there wasn’t too much trouble.
Potential Station – London City Airport
As the Cross City Connect tunnel could pass under the terminal building at the Airport, could a station be built here?
I suspect not!
- Passengers at the Airport go to many of the destinations of the rail service.
- I don’t think there will be enough passengers to justify the station.
- London City Airport is expanding the terminal and they probably wouldn’t want to change things now.
The Airport wants a Crossrail station and that is more likely.
Potential Station – Barking
Barking station is only labelled as a potential station.
The map from carto.metro.free.fr, shows another potential station at Barking.
It is a well-connected station.
Could a two track high speed station with two-platforms per track, be built underneath the current station and connected to it by escalators and lifts?
It would probably not be a much more difficult station to design and build, than Whitechapel station on Crossrail.
CCC-HS1 Interface
This Google Map shows the rail lines and roads around Dagenham Dock station.
Stand on the London-bound platform and whilst waiting for a c2c train, Eurostars and Javelins speed by behind you.On the map, you can just see the Jigh Speed One tunnel portal to the West of the station.
The two pairs of tracks; c2c and High Speed One run parallel through Rainham station, until they split with the c2c tracks going towards the river and Purfleet and Grays station and High Speed One threading its way through the approaches to the Dartford Crossing and its tunnel under the Thames.
This Google Map shows the area to the South-East of Rainham station, which is in the North-West corner of the map.
Note the A13 road linking East London to the junction with the M25 in the East, which is to the North of the Lakeside Shopping Centre.
This Google Map shows the North Western corner of the previous map.
Note.
- Rainham station at the top of the map.
- The two c2c tracks running South East from the station.
- The two High Speed One alongside the c2c tracks.
- The dual carriageway of the A13 road.
There is a large empty triangular area of land between the road and the four railway tracks. As I’ll mention it several times, I’ll call it the Rainham triangular site in future.
I suspect that the Cross City Connect tunnel will break off from High Speed One to the South-East of Rainham station , with a portal in the Rainham triangular site.
A train between Paris and Birmingham or Manchester would do the following.
- Take High Speed One as now.
- After stopping as required at Ashford and/or Ebbsfleet stations, it would cross under the Thames.
- At Rainham it would take the Cross City Connect tunnel.
After stopping as required at South Bank Central and Old Oak Common stations, it would take High Speed Two for the North.
Boring The Tunnel
The Rainham triangular site could be the place from where to bore the tunnel. Or at least the Eastern part!
- There is a lot of space.
- Linings and other heavy materials and equipment, could be brought in by rail using High Speed One.
- Tunnel spoil could be conveyored to the river and taken away in barges.
Would tunnelling techniques have improved enough to go between Rainham and Old Oak Common in one continuous bore?
Would There Be A Station At Rainham?
All services going through the Cross City Connect tunnel would need to terminate somewhere.
Some would go all the way to the Continent and in the near future they could terminate at some of all of the following destinations.
- Amsterdam
- Bordeaux
- Brussels
- Cologne
- Frankfurt
- Geneva
- Paris
High Speed Two’s trains would be compatible with the Channel Tunnel, but ridership would be variable along say a Manchester and Paris route.
So some services would need to terminate in the London area.
As the line to Euston would be abandoned in the Cross City Connect plan, a new station will be needed to terminate trains.
There are two possibilities.
- Old Oak Common, which because of its connections to Crossrail, the Overground and the Great Western Railway will be the place of choice for many to catch High Speed Two.
- A new station at Rainham.
Both should be built.
Rainham High Speed station would be built in the Rainham triangular site.
- It has good road access to the UK’s motorway network.
- c2c services would call to give South Essex access to High Speed services
- Southeastern Highspeed services would call to give Kent access to High Speed services.
- Continental services would call to give access to alternative routes to or through London.
- Some High Speed Two services to and from the North would terminate at the station.
There is probably space for an extensive train depot on the site.
Consider a service between Geneva and Glasgow.
- Most travellers would fly on this route as it would be in the order of eight hours by train.
- I suspect though that London and Geneva at possibly six hours could attract more traffic.
A well-planned station at Rainham would probably cater for the masochists who wanted to do the long journey by High Speed Rail in a day.
But the interchange at Rainham would be invaluable for passengers travelling between the Continent and Canary Wharf or Westminster.
- Canary Wharf is served directly.
- Westminster is a short walk over the Thames or one stop on the Jubilee Line from South Bank Central station.
- Try going between St. Pancras International and Canary Wharf or Westminster quickly without changing trains or using a taxi.
- The proposed Crossrail 2 won’t make these journeys any easier.
- The Cross City Connect Route would be faster.
As Canary Wharf is connected to Crossrail and Old Oak Common to the Overground, access to the Greater London area would be much improved with a change at Rainham High Speed station.
Cross City Connect, also gives access to these services to places, that will not be served by High Speed Two.
- South Western Railway services from Waterloo, which will be close to South Bank Central station.
- Great Western Railway services will be available at Old Oak Common.
Travellers wanting classic service to the North would go as now, via St. Pancras.
The only thing missing is a connection to Crossrail, which would give direct access to Liverpool Street and Paddington.
I think that Rainham High Speed station would become a very important station.
Tunnel Size And Number
High Speed Two is being built to a loading gauge of UIC GC, which is similar to the Channel Tunnel. The Channel Tunnel bores are 7.6 metres in diameter.
The biggest tunnel under London will be the one currently being dug for the Thames Tideway Scheme.
- It will be 25 kilometres long.
- The diameter is 7.2 metres.
- It will be up to seventy metres below the surface.
For much of its route, it follows the Thames in a similar manner to the Cross City Connect tunnel.
Cross City Connect would need one tunnel of this size for each track.
Could two tracks share a single tunnel?
Theoretically, I think they could, but it could cause problems in station design.
Station Design
Would the Cross City Connect need four tracks and platforms at each station?
High Speed One stations at Stratford, Ebbsfleet and Ashford stations effectively have four tracks and platforms, due to the security need of separating domestic and International passengers.
But as all trains these days, including those on Eurostar and the Javelins working suburban services have doors on both sides, surely there is an engineering solution.
- South Bank Central and any other Central London stations would have platforms on both sides
- All platforms would have level access between train and platform and platform doors.
- Platform doors would be designed to work with all trains using the route. I have ideas how this could be done.
- The domestic platforms would be the two platforms between the two tunnels. This would mean domestic passengers could board and leave the trains with the minimum of fuss. They could also reverse direction if they should need.
- The International platforms would be on the outside and would have the extra security checks needed.
- International and domestic services would only open doors to the appropriate platform.
If a solution to the security problem can be found, then two tunnels would be sufficient.
Four tunnels would blow the budget.
Train Operating Speed In The Tunnel
Consider.
- High Speed Two has been designed with an operating speed of 225 mph.
- The Chanel Tunnel has a maximum operating speed of 100 mph.
- The Channel Tunnel track could possibly handle 120 mph.
- Crossrail has an operating speed of 90 mph.
It should also be noted that the faster the trains go, the greater the pressure on infrastructure like platform edge doors and the passengers waiting on the platforms outside the doors.
I would suspect that the maximum operating speed of trains in the Cross City Connect tunnel would not be hoigher than 100 mph, but with a possibility of increasing it up to 125 mph in the future.
Train Frequency
Note that the design frequency of High Speed Two is twenty-one trains per hour (tph).
If Thameslink and Crossrail have been planned for twenty-four tph, with an objective of going to thirty tph, I don’t see why, we shouldn’t see twenty-four tph or even thirty tph running through the Cross City Connect tunnel.
Summing Up The Tunnel Route And South Bank Central Station
These are my conclusions on the tunnel route.
- It uses London’s geography and the tunnelling-friendly clay soil to advantage.
- The designers of the scheme have found an easy place to build a well-connected station at South Bank Central.
- It also appears that the Eastern portal at Rainham, is on a site with plenty of space.
- Could the Eastern portal make a good site from where to build the tunnel.
Overall, it appears to be a very viable project.
Passenger Services
When Phase Two of High Speed Two, these services are currently planned to run into Euston.
- 3 tph – Birmingham Curzon Street – via Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange (2 tph)
- 2 tph – Liverpool – via Old Oak Common, Stafford (1 tph), Crewe (1 tph) and Runcorn
- 3 tph – Manchester – via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange and Manchester Airport (2 tph)
- 1 tph – Preston – via Old Oak Common, Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western
- 2 tph – Glasgow – via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange (1 tph), Preston and Carstairs
- 2 tph – Edinburgh – via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange (1 tph), Preston, Carstairs and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 3 tph – Leeds – via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, East Midlands Hub (1 tph), Chesterfield (1 tph) and Sheffield Midland (1 tph)
- 2 tph – Sheffield – via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, East Midlands Hub and Chesterfield (1 tph)
- 1 tph – York via Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange
- 2 tph – Newcastle – via Old Oak Common (1 tph) and Birmingham Interchange and York.
Adding these up gives a frquency of twenty-one tph between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange.
The Dutch believe that five trains per day (tpd) will be viable between London and Amsterdam and it looks like this frequency will be running by the end of 2021.
Obviously, passenger numbers will be determined by where passengers want to go, but I think that there should be at least this minimum service between the Continent and the North.
- 3 tpd – Glasgow
- 3 tpd – Liverpool
- 3 tpd – Birmingham Curzon Street
- 3 tpd – Manchester
- 3 tpd – Leeds
I believe that High Speed Two and Northern Powerhouse Rail will be combined, as I described in Changes Signalled For HS2 Route In North.
This could result in a service between London and Hull that called at Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Crewe, Manchester Airport, Manchester, Huddersfield, Bradford and Leeds.
I estimated timings from London to various cities as follows.
- Birmingham – 49 minutes
- Liverpool – 66 mins
- Manchester – 66 mins
- Leeds – 92 mins
- Hull – 130 minutes
It looks like there could be a direct service between Paris or Brussels to the North in these times.
- Birmingham – Under three hours
- Liverpool – Under four hours
- Manchester – Under four hours
- Leeds – Around four hours
- Hull – Under five hours
Get the design of Rainham High Speed station right and the right timetable and timings would only be a few minutes longer with a cross-platform interchange at Rainham High Speed or Birmingham Interchange station.
The merging of High Speed Two and Northern Powerhouse Rail could enable services with these frequencies.
- 4 tpd – Paris or Brussels and Birmingham
- 4 tpd – Paris or Brussels and Glasgow
- 4 tpd – Paris or Brussels and Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds and Hull.
- 4 tpd – Paris or Brussels and Liverpool
Note.
- These services would be pairs of trains, eith the two trains would splitting and joining at Lille. One train would go to and from Brussels and the other to and from Paris.
- The services would add one tph to traffic through the busy Channel Tunnel and to High Speed Two between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange.
- There would be several extra services per day, with a change at Rainham High Speed station.
- Birmingham would get four tpd at Birmingham Curzon Street and another twelve tpd at Birmingham Interchange.
- The trains from Brussels could have Amsterdam, Cologne and Frankfurt as their terminus.
I could see these services giving the airlines a good kicking.
- Manchester and Paris has seven flights per day, but the route could have four direct tpd and three tph with a change at Rainham.
- Glasgow and Paris appears to have just two flights per day.
- A 200 metre long train could seat over 500, whereas an Airbus A320 seats around 200.
Would you fly between Paris and Birmingham, Liverpool or Manchester, if you could go by train in under four hours?
Freight Services
Why not? Especially at night!
Design the platform edge door correctly and freight trains would be able to pass through the Cross City Connect tunnel.
Much of the container traffic between the UK and Europe should go by rail, and this tunnel makes it possible.
Issues That Must Be Considered
There are a few issues that must be considered.
St. Pancras Station
I think that long-term St. Pancras station will have capacity and access problems for trains and passengers.
- The six Eurostar platforms are probably not enough, if more services want to use the station.
- The lounges and passport control need more space.
- At times, the station concourse is overcrowded.
- Crossrail 2 and/or better access to the Underground is needed now.
- Getting from St. Pancras to Canary Wharf, Euston and Westminster is not easy.
You also regularly hear Eurostar passengers moaning and say that they preferred Waterloo as the terminal.
Building Cross City Connect solves all the problems and effectively gives London five stations, that can be used for the Continent at Canary Wharf, Old Oak Common, Rainham, Saint Pancras and South Bank Central.
Southeastern’s HighSpeed Services
Southeastern’s HighSpeed services to and from Kent, only have two London destinations; Stratford and St. Pancras.
- Cross City Connect seem to be suggesting that some of these services take their new tunnel and go to Birmingham.
- They would connect the services to the new stations at Canary Wharf and South Bank Central.
- The current Class 395 trains are only 140 mph trains and might be to slow for the 225 mph High Speed Two.
- But their speed would be fine on an upgraded West Coast Main Line.
I’m sure that space could be found at Milton Keynes, Tring or Watford Junction for a platform to handle four tph through the Cross City Connect tunnel to Rainham and Kent.
London would get another Crossrail!
And talking of Crossrail, the services could take the Crossrail route to Reading and possibly Oxford.
There is great potential to use some of those paths through the Cross City Connect tunnel to link passengers to the major Continental interchange at Rainham High Speed station.
Stratford International Station
At present this station is really only a domestic station for Southeastern’s HighSpeed services between St. Pancras and Kent.
- Continental services do not stop.
- The only connections are to buses and the Docklands Light Railway.
- It is badly-connected to Crossrail, the Greater Anglia services and the Underground, at the main Stratford station.
- Underneath the station is the High Meads Loop, which is connected to the West Anglia Main Line and used to be used to terminate Stansted Expresses.
It is a design crime of the worst order.
But it could be so much better.
- A better connection with a travelator could connect the two Stratford stations.
- A Lea Valley Metro could be developed using the High Meads Loop as a terminus.
- Stansted Airport and Cambridge services could also use the High Meads Loop.
- Platforms could be added to the High Meads Loop, that would connect direct to the International station.
I also feel some Continental services should stop, as this would give them easy access to the important Crossrail.
Stratford could be the station, that ties London, East Anglia and South Essex together and gives them good links to the Continent.
A Future Thames Estuary Airport And Thames Barrier
I feel that in the next three decades, there is at least a fifty percent chance, that London will build an airport in the Thames Estuary.
The Airport would probably be some miles to the East, but the Cross City Connect tunnel and Rainham High Speed station could be valuable parts of the rail system serving that Airport.
Look at the section called Future in the Wikipedia entry for the Thames Barrier.
A new barrier will be needed in the next fifty years.
It could include rail and road crossings.
It could incorporate a large Airport.
There may even be tidal power generation.
As there will be extensive developments on both sides of the Thames, more transport infrastructure will be needed and the Cross City Connect tunnel and the Rainham High Speed station will play their part.
Immigration Control And Security
This could have a large effect on station design, as domestic and International passengers will need to be kept apart.
Cross City Connect are saying that four tracks might be needed; two for domestic services and two for International ones.
However, I believe that a four-platform station with just two tracks (and tunnels!), that kept domestic and International passengers apart could be built.
Earlier I said this.
- South Bank Central and any other Central London stations would have platforms on both sides
- All platforms would have level access between train and platform and platform doors.
- Platform doors would be designed to work with all trains using the route. I have ideas how this could be done.
- The domestic platforms would be the two platforms between the two tunnels. This would mean domestic passengers could board and leave the trains with the minimum of fuss. They could also reverse direction if they should need.
- The International platforms would be on the outside and would have the extra security checks needed.
- International and domestic services would only open doors to the appropriate platform.
I certainly think, there is a solution, that can be used with just two tracks.
Euston Station
If the Cross City Connect route is built, what happens at Euston?
Operationally, Euston may have problems with the number of platforms and their length, as many of London’s terminal stations do.
But Euston’s biggest problem is the connection to the Underground.
- It is a cramped station.
- It is not step-free.
- The Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines call in the separate Euston Squiare station about two hundred metres away.
I understand that these problems were to be fixed with the rebuilding of the station.
So what happens now?
Will there be more demolition of the station and the surrounding buildings?
Conclusion
There’s more to this project, than meets the eye!
Could A Platform Or Platforms Be Added To The High Meads Loop To Improve Connectivity At Stratford?
This Google Map shows Stratford International station..
The main station is obvious, but note the Stratford International DLR station to the North on the other side of Interbational Way.
- From the DLR station the tracks curve Southwards and cross the High Speed tracks towards St. Pancras.
- Alongside these tracks is the double-track High Meads Loop.
- On the Northern side of the DLR station, the loop enters a tunnel to connect the tracks to Lea Bridge and Tottenham Hale stations.
- At the Southern end, the loop connects to the tracks that go through platforms 11 and 12 of the domestic Stratford station, before joining with the other side of the High Meads Loop at Temple Meads East Junction to go North.
- Platform 11 would handle trains going clockwise round the loop and Platform 12 those going anti-clockwise.
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the track layout in detail.
The loop has been used in the past to turn Stansted Expresses that ran to Stratford, where they called in Platform 12. The signs are still there, as this picture, which was taken at the Eastern end of the Overground plstforms 1 and 2, shows.
The capacity of the loop must be quite large.
- A similar single-track loop under Liverpool handles as many as fourteen trains per hour (tph).
- The double-track loop could probably handle upwards of sixteen tph.
The following is also planned, is happening or could happen.
- Crossrail should open in 2019 giving a direct connection between Stratford and Heathrow via Paddington, the West End and Liverpool Street.
- Four tph will run between Stratford and Meridian Water stations.
- A Stansted Express service between Stansted and Stratford could be reintroduced.
- Liverpool Street is getting increasingly crowded.
- London Overground might run services between Stratford and the Lea Valley.
Utilising the capacity of the existing High Meads Loop would probably be an easier option, than expanding Liverpool Street.
I arrived at Stratford International DLR station today and after using the Western entrance, I took these pictures.
The High Meads Loop is not that far from the DLR station and there would appear to be scope to create at least one platform.
This Google Map shows the Western end of the DLR station and the High Meads Loop.
I think there is scope in the area to create a link between the three stations at the Western end of the DLR station, which is the building with the blue roof.
It could also be a better walking route to the Internation station, as you won’t have to fight your way through Eastfields.
Conclusion
I think it will be tricky, but a better interchange will be created.
Could A Lea Valley Metro Be Created?
Crossrail 2 envisages these developments and level of service North along the Lea Valley.
- A four-track West Anglia Main Line between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne stations.
- Step-free stations
- A service running between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne stations.
- 10-15 trains per hour (tph)
Crossrail 2 also envisages that at Tottenham Hale station, the line will enter a tunnel for Central and South West London.
But there is an unused alternative terminal, that could handle perhaps 16 tph with modern signalling.
Look at this map from carto.metro.free.fr of the lines at Stratford.
Note the double-track loop that encircles Stratford International station and goes through Platforms 11 and 12 at Stratford station.
Consider.
- Loops like this can easily handle 12 tph, as they do in Liverpool with the Wirral Line.
- Stratford is well-connected to the Central, Great Eastern Main, Jubilee and North London Lines, Crossrail and the Docklands Light Railway.
- The Loop could be connected to Stratford International station for Southeastern Highspeed services.
- There’s probably enough capacity to allow a couple of Stansted services to terminate in the loop.
- There is a massive development going on at Meridian Water, where a new station is being built.
- Liverpool Street station lacks capacity.
I can’t believe that a viable 12 tph service is not possible.
The major works would be as follows.
- Four-tracking the West Anglia Main Line into two fast and two slow lines.
- Making all stations step-free.
- Removing the level crossings.
- Creating a flyover at Coppermill Junction to connect the fast lines to Liverpool Street and prepare for Crossrail 2.
If Crossrail 2 is built in the future, the Metro service would be diverted into the central tunnel at Tottenham Hale station.
Integration With The London Overground
The Chingford, Cheshunt and Enfield Town services of the London Overground will not only offer alternative routes during the four-tracking of the West Anglia Main Line, but they could be better connected to a Lea Valley Metro.
- Tne Class 710 trains could enable four tph on each branch.
- The Class 710 trains will enable faster services on each branch.
- A reinstated Hall Farm Curve would connect Chingford and Walthamstow to Stratford.
- Creation of a step-free Cheshunt station would ease transfer between the London Overground and the Lea Valley Metro.
The new trains will be key and may open up more possibilities.
Note too, that moving services to Stratford from Liverpool Street will release capacity at Liverpool Street, that will be well-used by Greater Anglia and London Overground.
Dear Old Vicky
She’s always there when you need her and engineers keep coming up with ways to keep the Victoria Line giving more.
Currently, the frequency of trains between Walthamstow Central and Brixton is 36 tph.
I can’t believe that the engineers working on the line, don’t want to squeeze another four tph out of her, to achieve the fabulous forty.
This might be possible with the trains, tracks and signalling, but the problem is the capacity of some of the 1960s-built stations.
- Many stations have an empty space, where a third escalator could be.
- Lifts are few and far between.
- Some stations don’t have ceilings in the platform tunnels.
These stations could be improved.
Walthamstow Central Station
Walthamstow Central station gets desperate in the Peak, but it could be given a third escalator, a second entrance at the other end of the platforms and a much better step-free connection to the Chingford Branch of the Overground.
Blackhorse Road Station
Blackhorse Road station could be finished and given a third escalator to cope with the extra passengers that will transfer to and from an electrified Gospel Oak to Barking Line.
Tottenham Hale Station
Tottenham Hale station is being rebuilt to increase capacity. Will it get the missing third escalator and ceilings?
Seven Sisters Station
Seven Sisters station will be a Crossrail 2 station and will need updating to cope with an expected eight tph on the Overground. Expect a major project here.
Finsbury Park Station
Finsbury Park station is one of London’s stations designed by Topsy. Improvements are underway to cope with the extra passengers from Thameslink and an upgraded Northern City Line.
Highbury and Islington Station
Highbury and Islington station suffered worst at the hands of the Nazis and 1960s cost cutting, when the Victoria Line was built. This made it one of London’s worst stations.
However help is at hand.
- Plans are being prepared for a second entrance to the station on the other side of the Holloway Road.
- The frequency on the Northern City Line is being upgraded to twelve tph with new larger capacity Class 717 trains.
- There is space for a third escalator to be added to connect the Overgriound with the deep-level Victoria and Northern City Lines.
It should be born in mind, that Highbury and Islington station is busier than either Manchester Piccadilly or Edinburgh Waverley stations.
But with an upgrade, because it has cross-platform interchange between the Victoria and Northern City Lines, it could be an upgrade that increases the passenger capacity of the Victoria Line.
Euston Station
Euston station will be upgrqaded for HS2.
Oxford Circus Station
Oxford Circus station is desperately in need of more capacity, especially as there will be an upgrade to the Bakerloo Line in the future.
The opportunity at Oxford Circus is that some of the buildings around the junction are tired and some probably need to be replaced.
So will we see a development like Bloomberg Place, that will create a new entrance to Bank station, at Oxford Circus?
Could it also have an subterranean connection to Crossrail’s Hanover Square entrance for Bond Street station?
Victoria Station
Victoria station is in the process of being upgraded.
It certainly appears to be a case of so far so good!
South Of The River
Vauxhall and Brixton stations have rather undeveloped interchanges with the National Rail lines and these could surely be improved.
Under Possible Future Projects in the Wikipedia entry for the Victoria Line, this is said.
For many years there have been proposals to extend the line one stop southwards from Brixton to Herne Hill. Herne Hill station would be on a large reversing loop with one platform. This would remove a critical capacity restriction by eliminating the need for trains to reverse at Brixton. The Mayor of London’s 2020 Vision, published in 2013, proposed extending the Victoria line “out beyond Brixton” by 2030.
This would surely be the last upgrade to squeeze even more out of Dear Old Vicky.
Conclusion
A Lea Valley Metro can be created and eventually, it can be the Northern leg of Crossrail 2, when and if that line is built.
Before Crossrail 2 is completed, it will have great help in the following ways.
- In North East London from the London Overground.
- Across London from the Victoria Line.
Don’t underestimate how Crossrail and an updated Northern City Line will also contribute.
West Anglia Route Improvement – The High Meads Loop
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the lines at Stratford.
Note Temple Mills East Junction at the Northern (top) end of the map.
If you go North from here, you are on the Temple Mills Branch of the West Anglia Main Line and you will pass through Lea Bridge station and Coppermill Junction before you reach Tottenham Hale station.
Go South from that Junction and you pass the crossover of Olympic Park Junction, cross over the Eastern End of Stratford International station and then arrive in Platforms 11 and 12 at Stratford station.
Platform 11 is used for the current two trains per hour (tph) that go up and down the West Anglia Main Line, but Platform 12 is currently just giving out messages saying “I’m Free!”
Platforms like these can generally handle four tph, as they do at stations like Highbury and Islington or Dalston Junction. But is a capacity of eight tph enough if some Stansted and Cambridge services are added to the mix at Stratford?
But there may be other possibilities!
On the map in this post, look at the lines to the North-West of Platform 11 and 12 at Stratford station and how they curve round the Eastfield Shopping Centre and Stratford International station.
The main route is called the High Meads Loop and this picture taken from a Docklands Light Railway train to Stratford Internation station, shows the twin-track loop.
Southbound trains from Tottenham Hale could do the following.
- Call at Platform 1 in Lea Bridge station.
- Call in Plastform 11 at Stratford station.
- Go round the High Meads Loop and past the Stratford International DLR station.
- Rejoin the Temple Mills Branch on the Down Line at Temple Mills East Junction.
- Call at Platform 2 in Lea Bridge station.
The train has been turned round using the High Meads Loop, after a stop at Platform 11 in Stratford station.
So do trains currently take this route?
On this page in RailForums, this was said in a post made in 2006.
Another option is the use of Channelsea Junction and the High Meads loop to turn trains at Stratford. I’ve managed to go from Stansted Airport to Stratford and back again without changing ends using that particular route before now.
I would assume from the words, the poster of the information is a driver. So they should know!
Channelsea Junction is clearly shown on the map in this post.
I have a few questions, that should be answered.
Is The Route Bi-Directional?
I suspect it is and trains would call in the unused Platform 12 at Stratford station. As I said in Platforms 11 and 12 At Stratford,
Trains stopping in Platform 12, will have a very simple step-free access to the London Overground services in Platforms 1 and 2.
My personal view, would be that services using the loop called in Platform 12, as that would give me easy access from the North London Line from where I live.
But going round this way through Platform 12 at Stratford would mean that trains would have to cross on the flat at Temple Mills East Junction.
How Long Are Platforms 11 and 12 at Stratford?
They certainly accept an eight-car train as they do now, but would they accept a twelve-car one?
If they can’t and it would be needed to accept Greater Anglia’s new Stadler Flirts for the Stansted Express, there would appear to be space to lengthen the platforms, at the Temple Mills End.
It has to be asked if Platforms 11 and 12 have enough capacity.
I would appear that they have been built reasonably wide to accept high passenger numbers.
What Services Could Use This Loop?
I suspect any service arriving at Stratford from the West Anglia Main Line, that needed to be turned back, could use this route.
- Angel Road using the new STAR service.
- Bishops Stortford
- Broxbourne
- Cambridge
- Chingford using the Hall Farm Curve.
- Hertford East
- Stansted Airport
That is a very comprehensive list.
How Many Trains Per Hour Could Use The Loop?
The capacity of the loop could be at least as high as the similar Wirral Loop in Liverpool, which handles 12 tph or just one train every five minutes.
Modern signalling with a measure of Automatic Train Control could probably raise this figure substantially.
In addition, Platform 11 could probably handle four tph as it does now.
Could A Station Be Built On The High Meads Loop To Serve Stratford International?
If it could, it would ease one of London’s truly dreadful transport issues. How do you get to Stratford International station without walking a long way or going through Eastfield?
Can Services Using Platforms 11 and 12 At Stratford Access The North London Line?
As there is a triangular junction connecting the North London Line, the High Meads Loop and Platforms 11 and 12 at Stratford, a lot of services are possible, if they are needed.
But for the time being a good step-free interchange between Angel Road, Chingford and other services from the West Anglia Main Line to the North London Line services at Stratford is all that could be needed.
If High Meads Loop services called in Platform 12 at Stratford, that would be an ideal solution.
A short walk would connect North London Line services to Stanstead Airport services and local trains up and down the West Anglia Main Line.
Note the sign in this pictuire.
It directs passengers to Platform 12 for Stansted Airport services.
How Many Trains Per Hour Could Use The Loop?
The capacity of the loop could be at least as high as the similar Wirral Loop in Liverpool, which handles 12 tph or just one train every five minutes.
Modern trains and signalling with a measure of Automatic Train Control could probably rise this figure substantially.
So perhaps there could be twelve to fifteen tph through platform 12.
In addition, Platform 11 could probably handle four tph as a traditional terminal platform.
Do Any Other Services Use The Temple Mills Branch?
I’m not saying they don’t, but I’ve never a freight train go through Platform 11 or 12 at |Stratford or Tottenham Hale or Lea Bridge station.
But I have seen an engineering train at Coppermill Junction and empty stock needs to get in and out of Temple Mills Depot.
Conclusion
Trains arriving at Stratford station on the Temple Mills Branch of the West Anglia Main Line can call at Stratford station and go straight back from whence they came using the High Meads Loop.
One positive effect would be that however many trains went round the High Meads Loop, all could call at the following stations.
- Platform 1 at Lea Bridge station
- Platform 11 or 12 at Stratford station
- A platform at Stratford International station, if it were to be built.
- Platform 2 at Lea Bridge station
Look at the service that Lea Bridge station gets to and from Stratford.