Could There Be An Elizabeth Line Extension To Grays?
This article on My London is entitled London Underground Tube Map: The Towns That Could Be Added To The Elizabeth Line As New Giant Loop Through London, Essex And Kent Is Proposed.
This paragraph described the proposal.
The proposal, which is part of its Vision 2050 local transport plan, would see the current Elizabeth line service from Romford take over the Overground branch to Emerson Park and Upminster, then join c2c services continuing via Chafford Hundred Lakeside to Tilbury. It would then head under a new tunnel beneath the Thames to Gravesend, connecting with the reintroduced Eurostar at Ebbsfleet International/Northfleet.
It’s certainly a bold idea and you can view the report to Thurrock Council here.
These are my thoughts.
The Frequency Of Trains
Currently, these services have a frequency of two trains per hour (tph) in both directions.
- Romford and Upminster.
- Upminster and Tilbury Town.
It would seem sensible that this frequency is preserved, thus giving every station on the loop four tph to and from the Eastern End of the Central Tunnel at Whitechapel station. Two tph would go via Romford and Stratford and two tph would go via Ebbsfleet and Abbey Wood.
What Would Be The Western Terminal?
It would probably be the two busiest terminals in the West.
I suspect that these will be Heathrow Terminal 4 and Heathrow Terminal 5
- Two tph would go between Heathrow Terminal 4 and Heathrow Terminal 5 via the loop.
- Two tph would go between Heathrow Terminal 5 and Heathrow Terminal4 via the loop.
- Two tph would go clockwise.
- Two tph would go anticlockwise.
I suspect the digital signalling can sort it out, just as it does the loop in Thameslink.
The Connection At Romford To The Romford and Upminster Line
Consider.
- The Romford and Upminster Line is single-track.
- A well-signalled single-track railway can handle two tph in both directions in an hour.
- Trains take five minutes to go between Romford and Emerson Park stations.
- Trains between Romford and Upminster will use Platform 5 at Romford station.
- Trains between Upminster and Romford will use Platform 4 at Romford station.
This map from cartometro shows the track layout at Romford station.
Note.
- The orange lines are the Overground tracks of the Romford and Upminster Line, which connects to Platform 1 in Romford station.
- The black and purple lines are the Elizabeth Line, which go through Platforms 4 and 5 at Romford station.
- The black lines are the fast lines of the Great Eastern Main Line, which go through Platforms 2 and 3 at Romford station.
- There is no connection between the Elizabeth Line and the Romford and Upminster Line.
I believe it is possible to build a single-track flyover or dive-under that connects both Platforms 4 and 5 at Romford station to the Romford and Upminster Line.
A similar double track flyover was built to connect the Barking Riverside branch to the main lines through Barking.
- But this track layout would only need to be single-track.
- I also suspect that there may not be enough space to put in a full double-track flyover.
- It would avoid the inconvenience and danger of using flat junctions to cross the fast lines of the Great Eastern Main Line.
As it only takes five minutes to go between Romford and Emerson Park stations, there is plenty of time to fit two tph in both directions in an hour.
Platform Extension In Platform 1 At Romford Station
Platforms 4 and 5 at Romford regularly take nine-car Class 345 trains, but I think that Platform 1 should be lengthened, to provide a bay platform on the route to help out when the service needs to recover.
Platform Extension At Emerson Park Station
The platform at Emerson Park station will need to be lengthened to take nine-car Class 345 trains.
Some commentators claim, that the passing loop at the station needs to be rebuilt. But I suspect, this isn’t needed as the expanded layout at Romford station effectively creates a passing loop.
The Connection At Upminster Between The Romford and Upminster Line And The Upminster And Tilbury Town Line
Consider.
- Both lines are single-track.
- But there is a passing loop at Ockenden station.
- There are three tracks between West Thurrock junction and Grays.
- Trains take five minutes to go between Emerson Park and Upminster stations.
- Trains take ten minutes to go between Upminster and Chafford Hundred stations.
- Trains take four minutes to go between Chafford Hundred and Grays stations.
- Trains take thirteen minutes to go between Upminster station and West Thurrock junction.
This map from cartometro shows the track layout at Upminster station.
Note.
- The orange lines are the Overground tracks of the Romford and Upminster Line, which connects to Platform 6 in Upminster station.
- The green lines are the District Line tracks that handle the services that terminate at Upminster station.
- The black lines are the c2c tracks between Fenchurch Street and Southend Central stations go through Platforms 1 and 2 at Upminster station.
- The Upminster and Tilbury Town Line leaves Upminster station in a South-Easterly direction.
- The Upminster and Tilbury Town Line connects to Platforms 1 and 2 at Upminster station.
I believe it is possible to build a single-track flyover or dive-under that connects both Platforms 1 and 2 at Upminster station to the Romford and Upminster Line.
This would connect the following.
- The Romford and Upminster Line to the the Upminster and Tilbury Town Line.
- The Romford and Upminster Line to the the Fenchurch Street and Southend Central Line.
Upminster station would be a much improved interchange.
Two tph Between Tilbury Town and Romford Stations
Consider.
- The route is fully electrified.
- The route is a mixture of single and double-track.
- There is a passing loop at Ockendon station.
- The platform at Emerson Park and possibly others may need to be extended to take nine-car Class 345 trains.
I believe single-track flyovers or dive-unders at Romford and Upminster stations would enable two tph on the route.
The only downside I can see, is that passengers going between Fenchurch Street and Chafford Hundred or Ockendon stations would need to change at Grays or Upminster stations.
Alternatively, they could take the Elizabeth Line, which would have a 4 tph direct service between the Central Tunnel of the line and Chafford Hundred and Ockendon stations.
Under The Thames
This map from OpenRailwayMap shows the lines on the North bank of the Thames.
Note.
- The orange line is the double-track Tilbury Loop Line between Fenchurch Street and Southend Central stations.
- Tilbury Town station is in the North-West corner of the map.
- There is a proposal for a Tilbury Fort station in the North-East corner of the map.
- The blue arrow at the bottom of the map indicates the former Tilbury Riverside station, which is next to the London International Cruise Terminal.
I believe the North portal of the tunnel under the river could be at the site of the former Tilbury Riverside station.
Would it be an idea to rebuild the station and connect it to the cruise terminal, so that passengers on the cruise ships would have excellent access to Central London, Ebbsfleet International station for High Speed One and Heathrow Airport?
This map from OpenRailwayMap shows the lines on the South bank of the Thames.
Note.
- Tilbury Town station, the former Tilbury Riverside Riverside station and the Tilbury Loop Line are in the North-East corner of the map.
- Gravesend station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The wide orange line going vaguely North-South at the Western side of the map is High Speed One going through Ebbsfleet International station.
- Connecting Gravesend and Ebbsfleet International stations is the North Kent Line.
I suspect it would be possible to bore a tunnel from Tilbury Riverside, that passed under Gravesend station and joined the North Kent Line to the West of the station.
How Would The River Crossing Connect To Gravesend Station?
The platform or platforms on the Elizabeth Line Loop would have to be underground, as there is not much space at Gravesend station as these pictures show.
Note.
- Gravesend has SouthEastern HighSpeed services to St. Pancras International station and North-East Kent.
- The route to Gravesend has been safeguarded for the Elizabeth Line.
- The railway under the Thames could replace the Tilbury and Gravesend Ferry.
There also could be operational advantages in not terminating Elizabeth Line services at Gravesend.
Abbey Wood And Gravesend
In Elizabeth Line To Ebbsfleet Extension Could Cost £3.2 Billion, I looked at the Transport for the South East proposal for extending the Elizabeth Line to Kent.
This image from the Abbeywood2Ebbsfleet consultation, shows the proposal.
Note, that there doesn’t appear to be too much new infrastructure, except for a proper connection between Northfleet and Ebbsfleet stations. References on the Internet, say that the similar-sized Luton DART connection at Luton Airport, cost around £225 million, but we now know it was well upwards of that.
The TfSE proposal says that trains would terminate as follows.
- Abbey Wood – 4 tph
- Northfleet – 4 tph
- Gravesend – 4 tph
As space is limited at Gravesend and there is money for extending a railway service to a new Hoo station, I feel that proposing a two tph service to Hoo station would be a prudent action to take.
This would leave a handy two tph to take the loop back to Central London.
Could A Large Parkway Station Be Built Between Romford and Tilbury Riverside Stations?
Ebbsfleet International station, which is to the South-East of London, has 5,000 parking spaces and is the only large Park-and-Ride site around the capital.
Could another large Park-and-Ride site be opened on the Elizabeth Line North of the Thames?
One place could be at Chafford Hundred station and the nearby Lakeside Shopping Centre.
This Google Map shows the area.
Note.
- The M25 runs North-South up the Western side of the map.
- Chafford Hundred station is in the South-East corner of the map.
- The shopping centre is next to the station.
Last time I went, Lakeside was looking tired.
Timings To And From Whitechapel
These are estimated timings to and from Whitechapel.
- Romford – 26 mins – 81 mins
- Emerson Park – 31 mins – 76 mins
- Upminster – 35 mins – 72 mins
- Ockendon – 41 mins – 66 mins
- Chafford Hundred – 45 mins – 62 mins
- Grays – 49 mins – 58 mins
- Tilbury Town – 52 mins – 55 mins
- Tilbury Riverside – 58 mins – 49 mins
- Gravesend – 62 mins – 45 mins
- Northfleet – 65 mins – 42 mins
- Swanscombe – 68 mins – 39 mins
- Greenhithe for Bluewater – 71 mins – 36 mins
- Stone Crossing – 73 mins – 34 mins
- Dartford – 81 mins – 26 mins
- Slade Green – 86 mins – 21 mins
- Erith – 88 mins – 19 mins
- Belvedere – 89 mins – 18 mins
- Abbey Wood – 92 mins – 15 mins
Note.
- The times between Tilbury Town and Gravesend are my best estimates.
- All other times are taken from current services.
- The first time is the time to Whitechapel via Romford.
- The second time is the time to Whitechapel via Abbey Wood.
It does appear that the best times from all stations are under an hour.
Charge Passengers Higher Fares For Carrying Large Bags, Says Rail Chief
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article in The Telegraph.
This is the sub-heading.
Managing director of Lumo suggests that only those travelling with a laptop or a rucksack deserve cheaper tickets
These are two paragraphs from the article.
In an interview with the Evening Standard, he said: “We are all about getting our customers the lowest possible fares.
“Why should somebody who is getting on the train with a ginormous suitcase pay the same fare as somebody just bringing on a small laptop or rucksack?”
Note.
- Martijn Gilbert is the managing director of Lumo.
- I do wonder what people put in their cases.
- I usually travel with a carry-on bag without wheels, that fits under the seat on most reputable airlines and Ryanair.
- My late wife was the same and we could have a weekend away using one small wheeled case, that went in the overhead lockers.
But then bless her, hair was too short for rollers and she only carried the minimal amount of make-up. She also never wore high heels and she was a genuine size 8 with small feet. She also never felt underdressed.
So let’s hope Martijn Gilbert puts his fares, where his mouth is!
A Trip To Kyiv Road
This article on the BBC is entitled Ukraine War: Road Outside Russian Embassy Renamed ‘Kyiv Road’.
This is the sub-heading.
Under a picture of a guy holding the new Kyiv Road sign, there are these three paragraphs.
The new address will cover a stretch of Bayswater Road that is only a short distance from the Russian embassy.
It comes after protest group Led by Donkeys turned the same street blue and yellow on Thursday.
The Kyiv Road sign will be installed on Friday afternoon by Westminster City Council.
I just had to go and take a few pictures before the Russians, some vandals or some political sympathisers cover it in paint.
Note.
- The road had been painted blue and yellow by pro-Ukraine protestors a couple of days ago.
- There were two groups of protestors; Ukrainians and Russians opposed to Putin.
- The Ukrainian protestors have Ukrainian flags.
- The anti-Putin protestors have white-blue-white flags, which are the Russian flag, with the red replaced by white.
It was all very light-hearted and the main job of the Police was to gently urge protestors out of the way of traffic.
Skegness Wind Turbine Trial To Light Up Pier In UK First
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
This is the sub-heading.
A Lincolnshire seaside pier is being lit up at night with the help of a new mini wind turbine.
These are the first three paragraphs.
One of the 6ft (2m) vertical turbines has been installed on Skegness Pier with another fitted on a factory roof in Spalding.
They are able to capture wind from all directions without turning, making them low maintenance.
Both are made by Norwegian company Ventum Dynamics, which is testing the technology with local councils.
I believe it is one of those ideas, that proves the Sliced-Bread Theory of Innovation.
I have a few thoughts.
Design
The design looks clean, modern and unobtrusive.
I don’t know what the noise level is like, but I suspect good design means, it could be fairly low.
I’ll just have to visit Skegness on a windy day, which won’t be a difficult thing to arrange.
Easy To Add To An Existing Or New Building
The Ventum web site has some good pictures.
From my flying experience, I suspect that the higher a turbine is mounted, the more power will be generated.
The only problem would be the heritage lobby.
This picture shows Oakwood station on the Piccadilly Line.
Note.
- The station is the second most Northerly on the line.
- It opened in 1933.
- It is a classic Charles Holden design.
- It is a Grade II* Listed building.
- The station is on top of a hill and has an elevation of 71 metres above sea level.
It might be the ideal place to put perhaps six turbines on the roof.
But would the heritage lobby allow it?
Remote Power
Teamed with a battery, they would be the ideal remote power solution for buildings and locations without a mains supply.
Finance
I used to part-own a finance company and feel that these turbines would be attractive to a finance company, if ethically sold.
Conclusion
I like them!
Plans To Turn Czech Coal Mine Into Storage, Hydrogen And Solar Hub
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Power Engineering International.
This is the sub-heading.
Mine is also going to be the site of an experimental greenhouse project called Eden Silesia
This paragraph outlines Eden Silesia.
The site will also be home to an experimental greenhouse project called EDEN Silesia, managed by the Silesian University of Technology and based on the concept of the Eden Project in Cornwall, England.
It does seem that the Czechs are creating a comprehensive facility around a Gravitricity energy store.
This Gravitricity system is only a 4MW/2 MWh system, but there is also this quote from the company.
Future multi-weight systems could have a capacity of 25MWh or more.
If the concept works, this could be imitated in several countries around the world?
Entrion Wind Wins ScotWind Feasibility Deal For Its 100-Metre Depth Foundation Tech
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on offshoreWIND.biz.
This is the sub-heading.
Entrion Wind has been awarded a project to evaluate the feasibility of its patent-pending fully restrained platform (FRP) offshore wind foundation technology by a Scotwind developer.
Having worked on similar structures for reusable oil platforms in the 1970s, I reckon these FRP monopoles can be made to work.
The structures, I mathematically-modelled were for a company called Balaena Structures, that had been started by two Cambridge University engineering professors. The structures were about a hundred metres high and perhaps thirty metres in diameter.
They would have been built horizontally in the sort of dock, where you would build a supertanker and would have been floated into position horizontally. Water would then be let in to the cylinder and they would turn to the vertical. From that position, they would be lowered to the sea-bed by adjusting the water in the cylinder. They had a method of holding the Balaena to the seabed, which relied mainly on the weight of the structure and what they called the gum-boot principle.
Sadly, they never sold any platforms and the company folded.
Until recently, you could find the expired patents on the Internet.
There’s more on Entrion Wind’s technology on this page on their web site.
‘Czech Sphinx’ Power Plant Intended To Keep Lights On
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on The Times.
This is the first paragraph.
The businessman known as the “Czech Sphinx” is set to expand his position in Britain’s energy market after securing subsidy contracts to build a new gas-fired power plant and battery storage project.
As I needed to find the answers to particular questions, I looked for and found the original press release on the EP Holdings web site, which is entitled EPH Will Build A New Gas-Fired Power Plant And Battery Storage Facility In The UK At A Cost Of More Than £1 billion.
These statements describe the project.
- It will be a 1700MW high efficiency H-class CCGT power project and a 299MW 2-hour battery storage project
- The power station will be built on the site of the former Eggborough coal station in East Yorkshire.
I find this to be the most significant paragraph.
The high efficiency H-class CCGT project will be the single largest flexible generation asset to be commissioned in the UK since 2012, whilst the battery project will also be one of the largest to be built in the UK to date. Given the site’s close proximity to existing National Grid infrastructure and a number of proposed CCUS and hydrogen pipeline routes, under EPUKI’s plans these projects will make a significant contribution to the UK’s energy transition and security for years to come.
This map from OpenRailwayMap, shows the relationship between the Eggborough site and the nearby Drax power station.
Note.
- The Eggborough power station site is in the South-West corner of the map and is identified by the rail loop. which was used to deliver the coal.
- The Drax power station site is in the North-East corner of the map and is similarly identified by a rail loop.
- There is a high voltage transmission line connecting the two power stations.
- As the crow flies is about eight miles between Eggborough and Drax.
This Google Map shows the Eggborough power station site.
Note.
- The remains of the eight cooling towers are visible at the North of the site.
- The large circular black area in the middle is the coal yard with its rail loop.
- It is a large site.
I have looked in detail at the cleared area in the North-West of the site and the pylons of the connection to Drax are still visible.
So it looks like there is still an electrical connection of some sort to the site.
According to Wikipedia, the original coal-fired power station had a nameplate capacity of 1960 MW, so I suspect that a modernised electricity connection to handle the maximum near 2,000 MW of the new station would be possible.
This map shows the Zero Carbon Humber pipeline layout.
Note.
- The orange line is a proposed carbon dioxide pipeline
- The black line alongside it, is a proposed hydrogen pipeline.
- Drax, Keadby and Saltend are power stations.
- Keadby and Saltend are gas-fired power stations.
- Easington gas terminal is connected to around twenty gas fields in the North Sea.
- The terminal imports natural gas from Norway using the Langeled pipeline.
- The Rough field has been converted to gas storage and can hold four days supply of natural gas for the UK.
- To the North of Hull is the Aldbrough Gas Storage site, which SSE plan to convert to hydrogen storage.
The Eggborough power station site is about eight miles to the South-West of Drax.
I don’t suspect that connecting the Eggborough site to the carbon dioxide, gas and hydrogen pipelines will not be the most challenging of tasks.
So when the press release says.
Given the site’s close proximity to existing National Grid infrastructure and a number of proposed CCUS and hydrogen pipeline routes, under EPUKI’s plans these projects will make a significant contribution to the UK’s energy transition and security for years to come.
The company is not exaggerating.
It appears that carbon dioxide, gas and hydrogen pipelines can be developed and National Grid connections can be reinstated.
Eggborough Will Not Be Alone
From the EP Holdings press release, it appears that the Eggborough power station will be fitted with carbon-capture and will be hydrogen-ready.
This will make it the second power-station in the area to be fitted out in this way, after SSE’s planned Keadby 3, which is described in this page on the SSE web site in this document, which is entitled Keadby 3 Carbon Capture Power Station.
They could also be joined by Keadby Hydrogen power station.
This would mean that zero-carbon power stations in the area could include.
- Eggborough Gas/Hydrogen – 1700 MW
- Eggborough Battery – 299 MW
- Keadby 3 Gas/Hydrogen – 910 MW
- Keadby Hydrogen – 1800 MW – According to this Equinor press release.
Note.
- The Eggborough Battery pushes the total zero-carbon capacity over 4500 MW or 4.5 GW.
- The various Dogger Bank wind farms are to have a total capacity of 8 GW within ten years.
- The various Hornsea wind farms are to have a total capacity of 5.5 GW in a few years.
I would expect that the zero-carbon power stations would make a good fist of making up the shortfall, when the wind isn’t blowing.
Drax, Keadby 1 And Keadby 2 Power Stations
Consider.
- Drax has a nameplate capacity of 3.9 GW, of which 2.6 GW is from biomass and the rest is from coal.
- Keadby 1 has a nameplate capacity of 734 MW.
- Keadby 2 has a nameplate capacity of 734 MW.
How much of this capacity will be fitted with carbon capture, to provide extra zero-carbon backup to the wind farms?
Green Hydrogen From Surplus Wind Power
At times, there will be an excess of renewable energy.
I suspect, an order for a large electrolyser will be placed soon, so that surplus renewable energy can be used to create green hydrogen.
This will be stored in the two storage facilities, that are being developed in the area; Aldbrough and Rough.
Controlling The Fleet
I am by training a Control Engineer and this fleet can be controlled to provide the electricity output required, so that the carbon-dioxide produced is minimised and the cost is at a level to the agreement of producers and users.
Conclusion
It looks like in excess of 20 GW of reliable zero-carbon energy could be available on Humberside.
I’m sure British Steel would like to by a lot of GWhs to make some green steel at Scunthorpe.
The Mayor Rubs It In!
I took these pictures whilst waiting to get home this morning from Moorgate, whilst waiting for a 141 bus.
It’s one thing to reroute the buses, but quite another to send them up and down the old route, with plenty of space for passengers. Although, I don’t think this will help his reelection chances next year.
When the 141 bus did arrive, it was about ninety percent full.
I predicted in a letter to my MP. that this overcrowding would happen because the opening of the Elizabeth Line and the Bank Station Upgrade.
I also said similar things in Does London Need High Capacity Bus Routes To Extend Crossrail?, which I wrote in February 2022, before the Elizabeth Line opened in May.
But I didn’t get it all right, as it appeared the biggest increase in passenger numbers happened after the new escalators between the Docklands Light Railway and the Northern Line opened at Bank station. That puzzled me and I can only assume that there is a lot of traffic between the catchment area of the DLR and North East London.
Predicting the number of passengers, who will use a new railway, road or bus service is a difficult science, which very often results in a wrong answer.
In the Mysterious Case Of Rerouting The 21 Bus, it would have been better to have completed all the works at Bank, Moorgate and Old Street stations, before trying to solve the best way to deploy the buses.
- Bank and Moorgate stations are almost completed.
- The completion of Old Street station and the associated road works are still several months away, as I wrote in Is Old Street Roundabout A ‘Too Many Cooks’ Project?
In Does London Need High Capacity Bus Routes To Extend Crossrail?, I said this about the buses needed.
I suspect any route seen as an extension of Crossrail needs to have the following characteristics.
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- High frequency of perhaps a bus every ten minutes.
- Interior finish on a par with the Class 345 trains.
- Wi-fi and phone charging.
I would also hope the buses were carbon-free. Given that some of these routes could be quite long, I would suspect hydrogen with its longer range could be better.
Get the design of these buses correct and they could attract a large number of passengers from their cars to public transport.
- Ten year old buses, as on the 141 bus are unacceptable.
- Before the 21 bus was withdrawn, you noticed that some passengers wait an extra minute to get a 21 bus with its greater space and comfort.
- Because of the better design of the stairs on modern buses and New Routemasters, I will go upstairs on these buses. But I don’t chance it on an older bus.
- Wi-fi and phone charging would make up for the fact that the Class 345 trains don’t have it.
From experience of the 141 bus in recent days, a frequency of a bus every five minutes is probably needed now.
Liverpool Lime Street Station And St. George’s Hall
When you arrive in a town or city by train, I believe that you should be welcomed by a wide spacious area, where you can get your bearings and meet friends.
I took these pictures outside Liverpool Lime Street station.
Note.
- The three main buildings on the pictures, are one Grade I and two Grade II Listed buildings.
- St. George’s Hall is a Grade I neoclassical building.
- A liver bird told me, that the magnificent floor with its 30,000 Minton tiles, will be open this summer.
- Lime Street station is now one of the best terminal stations in the world, both in terms of architecture and operation.
- The hotel on the left of the station, is now a Radisson Red hotel, after a very chequered history during the last ninety years.
- Not many stations welcome you to a city like Liverpool does.
In London, King’s Cross and Liverpool Street make an effort, but some stations like Paddington just deliver you to crowded, anonymous, dingy streets.
A First Ride In A Five-Car Class 710 Train – 30th January 2023
These pictures are from a few weeks back, when I had a first ride in one of the new five-car Class 710 trains.
I only went between Euston and Queen’s Park stations.



























































