London Will Still Need Crossrail 2 To Deal With HS2 Influx, London Mayor Predicts
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Building.
This is the first paragraph.
Sadiq Khan says he expects mothballed scheme will eventually get built.
I don’t disagree that it will eventually get built, but it will be long after both Sadiq Khan and myself have gone.
You might think, that as I live in Dalston, I would be very much in favour of Crossrail 2 being built as soon as possible.
But then, I’m a duck-and-diver and there will always be a quick route to get to Euston.
I currently use four routes regularly and coming home, if it’s late or I want to get home quickly to cook supper say, I can take a taxi for a reasonable price.
The easiest way is actually to walk about two hundred metres and get a 73 bus to directly outside Euston station.
I very much feel we need to improve access in London to High Speed Two and that this can be done by making sure several smaller projects are completed before High Speed Two opens.
Improved Underground Connections At Euston Station
This page on the High Speed Two web site, says this about the station layout and Underground connections at the rebuilt station.
HS2 will deliver eleven new 400m long platforms, a new concourse and improved connections to Euston and Euston Square Underground stations. Our design teams are also looking at the opportunity to create a new northerly entrance facing Camden Town as well as new east-west links across the whole station site.
I would suspect that connection to the Underground will have step-free options.
I wrote about Underground connections at Euston station in Ian Publishes Details Of Future Developments At Euston And Euston Square Underground Stations.
The developments certainly look comprehensive and include a new entrance in Gordon Street on the South side of Euston Road.
Note.
- The view is looking North.
- A tunnel from this entrance will lead to the Eastern ends of the platforms at Euston Square station, where it appears there will be at least escalator access.
- The tunnel will also lead into Euston station.
- It is a simple improvement, that shouldn’t be too challenging.
This diagram shows the layout of the tunnel.
It looks to me to be a neat design, that could be installed between Gordon Street and Euston Square stations without disturbing the traffic on the busy Euston Road.
Once the subway and the Gordon Street entrance were built, there would have these benefits.
- There would be a step-free route between Euston and Euston Square stations.
- It would be a shorter walk in an air-conditioned tunnel, rather than currently along the very polluted Euston Road.
- It would be the fastest way to transfer between Euston and Kings Cross or St. Pancras stations.
- It would give excellent access to the other London terminal stations of Liverpool Street, Moorgate and Paddington.
- It would give step-free access to Crossrail at Farrington, Liverpool Street, Moorgate, Paddington and Whitechapel
- With a change at Farringdon or Liverpool Street to Crossrail, it would offer the fastest route to Canary Wharf.
- The Gordon Street entrance would improve walking routes between Euston station and University College London and other buildings on the South side of Euston Road.
I also suspect that as this project is part of the rebuilding of Euston station for High Speed Two, that it will be completed before Euston station opens for High Speed Two.
If possible, it should be built much sooner to improve access between Euston station and the sub-surface lines.
Once open, even without other improvements at Euston station, this subway would improve access to Euston station by a very substantial amount.
Camden Town Station Upgrade
In 2015, I went to see an exhibition about the proposed expansion of Camden Town station and wrote The Camden Town Station Upgrade Exhibition.
I believe this upgrade should be delivered before High Speed Two opens around the end of this decade.
But due to the financial problems of Transport for London, this project has now been kicked into the long grass.
The Wikipedia entry for Camden Town station, states that upgrading the station will take four years.
Northern Line Split
The completion of the Camden Town Station Upgrade will enable the splitting of the Northern Line into two separate lines, after the completion of the Northern Line Extension to Battersea and the Bank Station Upgrade.
- Northern Line West – Edgware to Battersea Power Station via Camden Town, Euston, Charing Cross and Waterloo.
- Northern Line East – High Barnet to Morden via Camden Town, Euston, Kings Cross, Moorgate, Bank and London Bridge.
Each branch will be running at least 24 trains per hour (tph) and will significantly increase capacity between High Speed Two and other terminal stations and the City of London.
The Northern Line should be split into two lines by the time High Speed Two opens, but with no start date in sight for the Camden Town Station Upgrade, this might not be possible.
Victoria Line Improvements
The Victoria Line or Dear Old Vicky probably won’t be able to help much, but I do think it would be feasible to improve the three most inadequate stations on the line.
- Oxford Circus station needs more capacity and step-free access.
- Highbury & Islington station needs step-free access to the deep lines to complete the station, which was only half-built in the 1960s.
- Walthamstow Central station needs to be double-ended and have step-free access.
I doubt the money can be found to carry out these improvement projects, that are essential, but very much smaller than the Camden Town Station Upgrade.
Sub-Surface Lines Improvements
The big project on the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines is the Four Lines Modernisation (4LM) project.
- It is an upgrade of the trains, track, electrical supply, and signalling systems.
- This will add 27 % more capacity in the Peak.
- As anybody will know, who has been to a major event at Wembley Stadium, the new S8 Stock trains, that have been running for a few years now, have an almost infinite capacity.
- Incidentally, the S8 Stock trains hold 1350 passengers, which is not far short of the 1500 that each Crossrail Class 345 train can hold.
- Euston Square station will have a step-free connection from the rebuilt Euston station complex.
Most of the Modernisation will be completed by 2023.
I believe that the sub-surface lines will become the main method to get to and from the upgraded Euston station, until Crossrail 2 is built.
- There will be direct trains to around seventy stations from Euston Square station.
- With a change at Paddington to Crossrail, there is a route to Heathrow Airport and Reading.
- With a change at Farringdon or Liverpool Street to Crossrail, there is a route to East London, Canary Wharf and South East London.
- With a change at Farringdon to Thameslink, there are routes to over a hundred stations.
- With a change at Whitechapel to the East London Line, there are routes to North, East and South London.
When you consider that the Metropolitan Line opened in 1863 and was the first passenger-carrying underground railway in the world, hasn’t it done well?
When the Euston Square station upgrade is complete, I will probably use that route to get home from Euston, changing on to a bus at Moorgate, which stops close to my house.
Old Oak Common Station
High Speed Two’s Old Oak Common station is introduced like this on this page on the High Speed Two web site.
Old Oak Common is a new super hub set to be the best connected rail station in the UK.
This map from Transport for London shows the various lines at the station.
Note.
- The bright blue line is High Speed Two.
- The purple line is the Great Western Main Line and Crossrail.
- I suspect that the interchange between these three lines will be a good one.
- Will all Great Western services stop at Old Oak Common station?
- The orange lines are London Overground services, with two new stations; Old Oak Common Lane and Hythe Road close to the main Old Oak Common station.
- The green line is the Southern service between Milton Keynes and South Croydon.
- The red line is the Central Line and it could be joined to the main station.
- There are plans for a West London Orbital Railway, from Brent Cross and West Hampstead in the North to Hounslow and Kew Bridge in the West, that would call at the main Old Oak Common station.
Old Oak Common station could be well connected to most of London, through its Crossrail. London Overground and West London Orbital connections.
It is my view that these three smaller projects must be completed before the opening of High Speed Two.
- Hythe Road station
- Old Oak Common Lane station
- West London Orbital Railway.
None of these three projects would be very challenging.
Chiltern Railways And High Speed Two
Chiltern Railways already have a London Marylebone and Birmingham Moor Street service
Birmingham Moor Street station will be close to High Speed Two’s Birmingham Curzon Street station.
Plans exist for a second London terminus for Chiltern Railways close to the main Old Oak Common station.
- Could Chiltern Railways become a partner for High Speed Two on routes like between Leeds and Banbury?
- They could certainly bring passengers to Old Oak Common from Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire and Warwickshire.
- One of my principles on High Speed Two, is that it should be a One-Nation railway.
Old Oak Common would be a very different station to Marylebone with its very useful Crossrail. London Overground and West London Orbital connections.
The terminal for Chiltern Railways at Old Oak Common is another project that should be completed before the opening of High Speed Two.
The Duality Of Euston and Old Oak Common Stations
Euston and Old Oak Common stations could almost be considered to be one station.
- All High Speed Two trains terminating or starting at Euston also call at Old Oak Common station.
- They will be just five minutes apart.
- Both stations have comprehensive networks of connections.
- Taken together the connections from both stations cover most of London and the South East.
There could be advantages for both operators and passengers.
- Would a ticket to and from London Terminals be usable at both stations?
- For some London destinations, passengers might prefer to use one terminal or the other.
- By changing at Old Oak Common to Crossrail will probably be the fastest way to Heathrow, the West End, the City, Canary Wharf and other places.
- Passengers could make the decision about the London terminal to use en route.
- Operators sometimes put the cleaning crew on the train at the last station before the terminal to save time in the turnround. The closeness of the two stations would enable this.
I think the London end of High Speed Two has been designed to make it easy for the operator and passengers.
The Losers If Crossrail 2 Isn’t Built
Crossrail 2 will provide better access to High Speed Two and the London terminals of Euston, Kings Cross, St. Pancras and Victoria for parts of London and the South East.
Victoria Line Passengers
The Victoria Line will have interchanges with Crossrail 2 at the following stations.
- Tottenham Hale
- Euston and Kings Cross St. Pancras on the Victoria Line and Euston St. Pancras on Crossrail 2
- Victoria
Note.
- Crossrail 2 will relieve capacity on the Victoria Line between Tottenham Hale and Victoria
- There will be a very comprehensive interchange at Euston St. Pancras to serve High Speed Two, Eurostar and classic lines out of Euston, Kings Cross and St. Pancras.
From what has been disclosed about the connrection between Euston and Euston Square stations transfer between Euston and Kings Cross and St. Pancras will be a lot easier than it is now.
This reworking of the poor connection to Euston Square station might take some pressure off the Victoria Line.
It might also might be possible to squeeze more trains down Dear Old Vicky.
Passengers On The Suburban Lines Into Waterloo
The suburban lines into Waterloo will go into tunnel at Wimbledon and connect directly to Victoria, Euston, St. Pancras and Kings Cross.
This will be superb access for South West London to four major London terminals.
Without Crossrail 2, passengers will have to use one of these routes to get to and from Euston.
- Change at Waterloo to the Northern Line.
- Change at Waterloo to the Bakerloo Line and then at Oxford Circus to the Victoria Line.
- Change at Vauxhall to the Victoria Line.
Could it be, that the Northern Line Extension should be extended to Clapham Junction station, as it is an aspiration over a safeguarded route under Battersea Park?
In An Analysis Of Waterloo Suburban Services Proposed To Move To Crossrail 2, I showed it was possible to run a Crossrail 2 schedule of four tph into Waterloo station, if the following were done.
- More platform capacity in Waterloo.
- Modern high-performance 100 mph trains like Class 707 trains or Aventras.
- Some improvements to track and signals between Waterloo and Wimbledon stations.
- Wimbledon station would only need minor modifications.
- A measure of ATC between Waterloo and Wimbledon stations.
This would not be a large project
Passengers In Balham And/Or Tooting
Crossrail 2 is planned to run between Wimbledon and Victoria via the following stations.
Note.
- Crossrail 2 should take pressure off the Northern Line.
- Public Opinion is against King’s Road Chelsea station. How will their cleaners, cooks and nannies get to work? Especially, as the roads in the area are already jammed by Chelsea tractors.
- The original route favoured Balham to give an interchange with National Rail. Tooting Broadway also has geological problems for the tunneling.
- On the other hand, Sadiq Khan supports the route through Tooting Broadway, which better serves his former constituency.
This Map from cartometro.com shows the rail lines in the area.
Note.
- Balham station in the North is an interchange station between the Northern Line and National Rail, with a possible four National Rail platforms.
- Tooting Broadway is a simple through station on the Northern Line.
- The next station after Wandsworth Common towards London is Clapham Junction.
- Transport for London have been advocating a new Streatham Common station, that would be an interchange between the lines through Streatham Common and those through Streatham.
- Streatham and Tooting stations are on the Wimbledon Loop Line, which only carries two tph in both directions.
Since I have been writing this blog, there have been several ideas to make better use of the National Rail lines in this area.
There was even a plan that I wrote about in 2016 called The Streatham Virtual Tube.
- Trains would run through Streatham Common, Streatham, Streatham, Hill, Balham, Wandsworth Common, Clapham Junction and into Victoria.
- Trains could also go North from Clapham Junction to Old Oak Common for High Speed Two.
- The Streatham Common Interchange would be built. This would give a useful interchange to the Wimbledon Loop Line.
- There would be four tracks through Streatham.
- A tunnel would be build to allow trains to go through both Streatham and Streatham Hill stations.
- It would have an interchange at Balham with the Northern Line.
- It could have an interchange at Clapham Junction with an extended Battersea Branch of the Northern Line.
- Suppose it had a frequency of perhaps six or even ten tph.
I think it might work, but it shows what can be done, with a bit of out-of-the-box thinking.
Passengers In Dalston And Hackney
One of the entrances to the proposed massive double-ended Crossrail 2 station at Dalston will be at the end of my road and very close to where my mother used to work and where her mother was actually born.
East London had not had major rail improvements since the 1950s and 1960s, when most of the lines into Liverpool Street were electrified and the Southbury Loop was reopened.
But since the creation of the Overground in 2007 from the remains of the ill-performing Silverlink, with the addition of new trains and ticketing and a good clean, there has been a series of smaller projects that have been completed, in and around East and North London.
- 2009 – North London Line starts running to new platforms at Stratford.
- 2009 – Stratford International station opens on High Speed One.
- 2010 – East London Line opens with services to Crystal Palace, New Cross, New Cross Gate and West Croydon stations.
- 2011 – A substantially rebuilt Stratford station opens for the Olympics
- 2012 – South London Line opens with services between Dalston Junction and Clapham Junction stations.
- 2012 – The Docklands Light Railway is extended to Stratford and Stratford International stations.
- 2014 – Hampstead Heath station gets an upgrade.
- 2015 – The Lea Valley Lines between Liverpool Street and Cheshunt, Chingford and Enfield Town stations were moved to the Overground.
- 2015 – TfL Rail begins operation between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, using new Class 345 trains.
- 2016 – Lea Bridge station reopened.
- 2016 – Second entrance to Ilford station in York Road reopened.
- 2018 – Northumberland Park station was rebuilt.
- 2019 – The Gospel Oak to Barking Line was electrified and equipped with new Class 710 trains.
- 2019 – West Hampstead station was rebuilt.
- 2019 – The new Meridian Water station opened.
- 2019 – The rebuilt White Hart Lane station opened.
- 2020 – Tottenham Hale station was rebuilt.
- 2020 – The new Class 710 trains were rolled out on the Lea Valley Lines.
Note.
- There have also numerous smaller upgrades like the addition of lifts to several stations.
- Stations between Stratford and Shenfield have been upgraded for Crossrail.
- There has also been considerable upgrades to the electrification, which in some places was not in the best of condition.
- Most lines have a frequency of four tph or more.
Some may feel that East London has done well with rail improvements in the last few years.
I would agree in some ways, but would counter by saying that before the Overground was created, East London’s were in a terrible state and their state today is a excellent example of what can be achieved by good design, planning and execution, without spending vast sums.
East London and the boroughs of Enfield, Hackney, Haringey, Newham and Waltham Forest in particular, now have a good rail network, that is going to get a lot better with the addition of Crossrail.
- The North London Line is about half a mile to the North of where I live and can walk to two stations or get a bus to another three.
- Crossrail will be a couple of miles to the South with station entrances at Moorgate, Liverpool Street, Whitechapel and Stratford.
- There are four electrified railway lines with new trains, which run North-South with connections to the two East-West lines.
- Although my quickest way to Crossrail will be a bus from close to my house to outside Moorgate station.
- I suspect that everybody in the Borough of Hackney and the Eastern part of Islington will be able to get to a Crossrail station in well under thirty minutes.
- In addition, from where I live the Gospel Oak to Barking Line runs a couple of miles North of the North London Line.
I believe that Dalston’s success over the last decade has been a collateral benefit of its comprehensive rail system, supported by lots of shiny new buses.
Does Dalston want Crossrail 2? Probably, Yes!
Does Dalston need Crossrail 2? Possibly, No!
Do other areas of large cities need Dalstonisation of their railway and bus systems? Absolutely!
I certainly don’t regret moving to Dalston!
Note that one of the reasons I’m so keen on the West London Orbital Railway is that it could do the same for North West London, as the Overground and the Lea Valley Lines have done for North East London.
Passengers Along The Lea Valley
Crossrail 2 will connect the Lea Valley Lines to Dalston and on to Central London.
It will involve the following changes to the West Anglia Main Line.
- Four-tracking of the route at least as far as Broxbourne.
- A junction South of Tottenham Hale station will connect the route to a tunnel to Dalston.
- Level crossings at Brimsdown, Enfield Lock and Cheshunt will be removed.
- Like Crossrail, stations would be substantially step-free.
- The signalling will be upgraded to full in-cab digital ERTMS signalling, that is used by Crossrail and Thameslink under London.
This would enable 10-15 tph running between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne stations.
With all the development going on around Cambridge and possible expansion of Stansted Airport, I believe that even if Crossrail 2 is not build, then there will be pressure to four-track the West Anglia Main Line, remove the level crossings and improve the stations and signalling.
If this were to be done, then there is an interim plan that could be implemented that I wrote about, four years ago in Could A Lea Valley Metro Be Created?
I envisaged the following.
- Updating the West Anglia Main Line to four-tracks and a standard suitable for Crossrail 2.
- Using the double-track loop at Stratford as the Southern terminal, for some of the trains.
- Updating the Victoria Line stations. The major interchange at Tottenham Hale station has already been improved substantially.
- Providing an appropriate service between Stratford and Broxbourne stations.
- Terminating some Stansted and Cambridge services in the Stratford Loop, as Stratford has better connections to South London and Kent than Liverpool Street.
- Integrating Lea Valley Metro, London Overground and Greater Anglia services to Bishops Stortford, Cambridge and Hertford North stations.
Note.
- All services connect to Crossrail and the Central Line at the Southern end.
- Services to Liverpool Street connect to National Rail services, the Lea Valley Lines of the London Overground and the Circle, District and Metropolitan Lines.
- Services to Stratford connect to National Rail services, the North London Line of the London Overground and the Jubilee Line.
- Could alternate trains serve Liverpool Street and Stratford?
- Could splitting services between Liverpool Street and Stratford mean that the largest proportion of routes have just a single change?
As Transport for London and the train operating companies know where passengers want to go and actually go, I’m sure that a service pattern, that is acceptable to all could be created.
Conclusion
Crossrail 2 is quoted as being a £33 billion project.
I believe that with a good review lots of money could be saved and other smaller projects could be planned and executed to handle the expected increase in the number of passengers.
I would do the following.
- Camden Town station – Upgrade
- Chiltern Railways – Build their connection to Old Oak Common station
- Euston Station – Improve connections to Euston and Euston Square Underground stations.
- Northern Line – Extend the Battersea branch to Clapham Junction
- Northern Line – Split Into Two Lines
- Overground – Build Old Oak Common Lane and Hythe Road stations
- Southern – Build the new Streatham Common station and implement The Streatham Virtual Tube.
- South Western Railway – Run four tph on all proposed Crossrail 2 routes into Waterloo station
- Victoria Line – Upgrade Highbury & Islington, Oxford Circus and Walthamstow Central stations and increase the frequency if possible
- West Anglia Main Line – Upgrade ready for Crossrail 2 and develop the Lea Valley Metro
All of these projects would have their own benefits, whether Crossrail 2 is built or not!
Only when the needs of all passengers have been assessed in a few years, should we make a decision about Crossrail 2.
London Euston Cat-Astrophe Averted For Train-Surfing Puss
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
Except for the headline, the BBC resisted the urge to use more feline puns in the story.
Macclesfield Station And High Speed Two
Today, I went to Macclesfield station.
In the latest iteration of High Speed Two, two new destinations were added to the High Speed Two Network; Macclesfield and Lancaster.
These pictures show Macclesfield station.
It is a modern station, with three through platforms, two bridges and some Modernist architecture from the 1970s, that could be improved.
This Google Map shows the layout of the station.
Note.
- Platform 1 is in the West and is used by trains to Stockport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- Platform 2 is in the middle and is used by trains going to Stoke, London and the South.
- Platform 3 is in the East and appears to be used a couple of times per day.
- It also appears there might have been a fourth platform.
All platforms appear capable of handling an eleven-car Class 390 train, which are over two hundred and sixty metres in length.
Is the plan to use Macclesfield as a High Speed Two terminal feasible?
Which Trains Will High Speed Two Use On Macclesfield Services?
It appears that High Speed Two will have two types of trains.
- Trains built to the European loading gauge, that will only be able to work on high lines like High Speed One and High Speed Two. Examples would be Eurostar’s Class 373 and Class 374 trains.
- Trains built to the UK loading gauge, that could also work on existing UK 125 mph routes like the East Coast, Great Western, Midland and West Coast Main Lines. Examples would be Class 800. Class 801, Class 802, Class 390 and Class 745 trains.
The second type, which are referred to, as class-compatible trains will be used to Macclesfield, as these services will share track with Class 390 and other trains, that have been or will be built to the smaller UK loading gauge.
Will Classic-Compatible High Speed Two Trains Fit Into Macclesfield Station?
Currently, every hour, one eleven-car Class 390 train calls in Macclesfield station in both directions, as they provide one of Avanti \west Coast’s three trains per hour (tph) between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
The current trains are sixty metres longer than the proposed classic-compatible High Speed Two trains, that could be terminating in Macclesfield station.
How Would Passengers Who Started And Finished Their Journeys In Macclesfield, Connect to Manchester?
Currently, these hourly services connect Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke stations.
- Avanti West Cost – Manchester Piccadilly and London Euston.
- CrossCountry – Manchester Piccadilly and Bournemouth
- CrossCountry – Manchester Piccadilly and Bristol
- Northern – Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke, which stops at all stations.
The characteristics would be common to all these four trains.
- Services call at Stockport, Macclesfield and Stoke stations.
- As services share tracks with a High Speed Two service, they must be reasonably fast.
- All except the Northern service are 125 mph trains.
- The Northern service is run by a 90 mph Class 323 electric train.
- As Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke via Stockport is a fully-electrified route, the trains should probably be able to take advantage.
In an ideal world should the frequency be six tph or one train every ten minutes in each direction?
Which Platforms Would Be Used To Terminate High Speed Two Services?
Trains built to the UK loading gauge could probably terminate in any of the three platforms.
But it might be advantageous to terminate all services in the same platform.
Platform 3 would be the obvious choice.
- It shares an island platform with classic services going South between Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke.
- Passengers starting their journeys in Manchester Piccadilly or Stockport could just walk across from their connecting train to the High Speed Two train.
It must surely be a possibility to make Platform 2 able to operate bi-directionally, so that all trains between Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke stations in both directions, stop in Platform 2, alongside the High Speed Two train for London and the South, that is waiting in Platform 3. The combined frequency would be eight tph. All passengers would just walk across the island platform to change trains.
Could A North-Facing Bay Platform Be Fitted Into The Northern End Of The Island Platform 2/3?
If you are going to provide a High Speed Two service to and from Macclesfield station, it needs to have superb and comprehensive connections to as many places as possible.
The station currently has four tph to Manchester Piccadilly, Stockport and Stoke, but would a North-facing bay platform with level access to the High Speed Two platform make any of the following feasible?
- Run a second local stopping service between Manchester Piccadilly and Macclesfield to give all intermediate stations two tph to High Speed Two.
- Run hourly services to places that don’t have good connections to high speed services to London and the South.
- The Stockport and Stalybridge Line could be used to connect Stalybridge and Huddersfield to High Speed Two.
- There might even be a way of creating a link between Macclesfield and Manchester Airport.
Note.
- Looking at the platform layout at Macclesfield station, fitting in a bay platform would appear to be feasible.
- The important Stockport station, which seems to have been forgotten by High Speed Two would probably have at least six tph to High Speed Two at Macclesfield station.
- The local train could be timed to arrive at Macclesfield station, a convenient time before the High Speed Two train is scheduled to depart.
The bay platform could even be part of Platform 3, if it was decided that trains stopping in Platform 3, never used the platform as a through platform. It would be Macclesfield’s version of the Clapham Kiss.
I suspect more space could be found, by moving the signal box at the end of the station.
\remember that these days most signalling is controlled from centralised Rail Operation Centres.
Could High Speed Two Trains Run Between Macclesfield And Manchester Piccadilly?
As I said earlier, High Speed Two’s classic-compatible trains will be the same cross-section and shorter, than an eleven-car Class 390 train.
So the answer to my question must be yes!
- This would enable a stop at Stockport station.
- No platform lengthening would be required at Manchester Piccadilly and Stockport stations.
High Speed Two must have good reasons for using Macclesfield as a terminal.
- There are capacity issues between Macclesfield and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
- Macclesfield offers opportunities to connect to places, that are difficult to reach from Manchester Piccadilly station.
But these problems could probably be overcome by digital signalling or extension of the Manchester Metrolink.
Could More High Speed Two Services Run Between Macclesfield Station and The South?
Consider.
- I believe that Macclesfield station could handle more than an hourly High Speed Two train.
- It is a general principle, that on a metro like the London Overground or Merseyrail, that a single platform can handle up to four or even six tph.
- Four tph would surely be too high, but Macclesfield could easily handle a second classic-compatible train to and from Birmingham Curzon Street via Stoke and Stafford.
- During the inevitable works at Manchester Piccadilly station to sccomodate High Speed Two, Macclesfield could offer an alternative route, between London and Manchester.
Using Macclesfield station, as an alternative terminal for Manchester Piccadilly, builds in extra capacity for the future and offers a valuable alternative route during construction and upgrade works.
Rationalisation Between Cross Country And High Speed Two
Consider.
- In a lot of locations North of Birmingham, CrossCountry and High Speed Two seem to provide similar services between the same stations.
- Using currently proposed connections between High Speed Two and the classic network, CrossCountry’s services could run faster.
- CrossCountry’s new fleet of trains will probably be multi-mode trains, that will be very similar to the classic-compatible High Speed Two trains.
- Some of the routes used by CrossCountry’s services will have a substantial upgrade to allow higher speeds and more trains, to speed up High Speed Two services.
There must be a case for rationalisation of services.
Conclusion
The more I look at High Speed Two terminating at Macclesfield station, the more I like it.
I can see these services running from the station in the future.
- High Speed Two – Macclesfield and London Euston – One tph – This service would additionally call at Birmingham Interchange to link up with CrossCountry to the South.
- High Speed Two – Macclesfield and Birmingham Curzon Street – One tph
- CrossCountry – Macclesfield and Bournemouth, Plymouth or Reading – One tph.
- Northern and others – Macclesfield and Manchester Piccadilly via Stockport – Four-six tph
- Northern – Macclesfield and Huddersfield via Stockport and Stalybridge – Two tph
- Northern – Macclesfield and Manchester Airport – Two tph.
Obviously, this is all speculation, but Macclesfield will develop into an important rail hub to the South-East of Manchester.
Environmental Humour On Euston Road
I took this picture on the Euston Road outside Euston station.
It’s an area, where I don’t walk very often, so I don’t know how long it’s been there.
Euston Station – 8th May, 2020
I had walked to Euston station from Kings Cross along the back roads, which is a much better route than along the polluted Euston Road.
Note, that the train part of the station seemed to be functioning normally.
The Abandoned Tube Entrance At Euston
These pictures show the abandoned tube entrance at Euston station.
The station was built to serve the Charing Cross, Euston and Hampstead Railway, which is now part of the Northern Line.
- It opened in 1907.
- The building will now be demolished to make way for High Speed Two.
- I can’t ever remember using the entrance.
It looks to be a station, which are typical of many, that were created by Leslie Green.
- Wikipedia has a list of over forty stations, that were designed by Leslie Green.
- Many are Grade II Listed
- His designs inspired the look of the fictional Walford East Underground station in EastEnders.
I would reckon, the one I use most is Oxford Circus.
Ian Publishes Details Of Future Developments At Euston And Euston Square Underground Stations
This post on the Ian Visits blog is entitled A New London Underground Entrance To Euston Station.
The Underground Lines In The Euston Station Area
This map from carto.metro.free.fr shows the Underground Lines in the Euston station area.
Note.
- The sub-surface lines run underneath the busy Euston Road.
- Platform 2 at Euston Square station has no lift or escalator.
- Platform 1 at Euston Square station has a lift, which also serves the subway.
- To connect between the sub-surface lines at Euston Square and the deep lines at Euston means a walk on the surface.
- Euston station only has two up and two down escalators and no lifts for the six deep-level platforms.
- To connect between the Bank and Charing Cross branches of the Northern Line is often along a very crowded passage.
This interchange has not been fit for purpose since the Victoria Line was built in the 1960s.
A Second Entrance To Euston Square Station
One of the key projects to unlock the interchange, is to create a subway from the current Euston station.
It will lead to a new entrance placed in the middle of Gordon Street.
The subway will have stairs, escalators and/or lifts to connect to the Eastern ends of the current Euston Square platforms.
Ian showed this diagram of the subway.
Note.
- It serves both platforms at Euston Square station.
- It looks to be reasonably wide and level.
These are some pictures I took on a walk round the area.
This is a possible future visualisation from Ian’s site.
The new Gordon Street entrance appears to be opposite the porticoed building, which is part of University College London.
- The view is looking North, like the first three of my pictures.
- Gordon Street appears to be at least part-pedestrianised.
- Escalators are visible.
It looks to be a London version of Bilbao’s fosteritos.
Fosteritos are named after Norman Foster, as he or his practice designed the Bilbao Metro.
- The escalators in Bilbao are longer than would be needed at Gordon Street.
- I don’t think that fitting in a slimline lift would be difficult.
I like the fosterito concept and I feel a similar approach could be used to add step-free access to a lot of stations on the London Underground.
The Design Of The Updated Euston Underground Station
Ian showed this visualisation of the updated Euston Underground station.
At a first look, it appears to be a very similar concept to the entrance to the Underground in front of St. Pancras station.
Click on the image to show it large and you can pick out the following.
- West is to the left and East is right.
- Much of the construction appears to replace the original car park and taxi rank.
- The upper level looks like where passengers enter and leave the station.
- The subway to Euston Square station and the new Gordon Street entrance joins to the upper level towards the Eastern end.
- There is grade access between the upper level and the High Speed Two concourse.
- There are lots of escalators to travel between levels. The square orange columns could be lift towers.
- The lower level is the Interchange/Ticket Hall level.
- The lower level is not much higher than the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line.
- The design seems to make clever use of levels to make changing easier.
- The access between the lower level and the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line at the Western end of the station, appears to be comprehensive and step-free.
- The access between the lower level and the Victoria Line and the Bank branch of the Northern Line, appears to use the current route, which will probably be upgraded to be fully step-free.
This second image shows the design from above the platforms of the convention section of Euston station.
Click on the image to show it large and you can pick out the following.
- The complicated passages, escalators and lifts of the existing four platforms serving the Bank branch of the Northern Line and the Victoria Line.
- The cross passage connecting these lines to the platforms of the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line.
- The two up and two down escalators leading to the existing ticket hall.
- The Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line curving in and away from the station. See the earlier map of the Underground lines.
- The eleven High Speed platforms on the West side of the station.
- The thirteen Classic platforms on the East side of the station.
- The new Northern entrance to the Underground between the two sets of platforms. How convenient!
- There appears to be a wide passage between the Northern and Southern entrances, with connections to the lines branching off.
- The subway to the new Gordon Street entrance is shown at the top of the image.
The design seems to have separated access to the two branches of the Northern line, by creating a new high-capacity route to the Charing Cross branch.
I also think, that the design allows the station to be built without disrupting passengers using the Underground and the current Euston station.
- A large hole for the station can be excavated, without touching existing access.
- It could then be fitted out section by section.
- Once the new access to the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line is complete, the current access to the Northern and Victoria Lines can be refurbished.
Arriving At Euston
Imagine you are a passenger arriving from the North, who knows the Underground line, you need to take, you would then enter the Underground station using the new Northern entrance.
- For the Bank branch of the Northern Line or the Victoria Line, you would go through the existing ticket hall and down the escalators, much as you do now! Except that you’d enter the ticket hall on the other side from the East side of the passageway connecting the two entrances. New lifts appear to be shown.
- For the Charing Cross branch of the Northern Line, you would take the passages, lifts and escalators on the West side of the passageway connecting the two entrances.
- If you wanted the sub-surface lines, you would just keep going and take the new subway, which connects to the Eastern ends of the platforms at Euston Square station.
It will certainly do me fine, if I arrive at Euston, as I’ll walk through the subway and get in the front of any Eastbound train for Moorgate station, where being in the front is convenient for the exit and the nearby bus stop to my home.
This route will surely be one of the ways arriving passengers at Euston will get Crossrail to Abbey Wood, Canary Wharf and Shenfield stations. In Crossrail – Northern – Northern City Interchange At Moorgate Station, I show some visualisations of Moorgate station and the connectivity.
Conclusion
I certainly think, that the new Underground station is a good design.
The New Underground Station Entrance At Euston Station
The entrance to Euston Underground station has been moved to the piazza outside station.
It appears there have been two objectives.
- To create more seating space in the cramped main station.
- To separate travellers walking to and from the Underground from those standing in the station forecourt.
Compared to Kings Cross, London Bridge and Waterloo, Euston has rather complicated pedestrian flows, which hopefully will be simplified, when the station is rebuilt for High Speed Two.
Could London Get A New Tube Line Between Canary Wharf And Euston?
The title of this post is the same as that as this article on CityMetric.
The article makes some interesting points.
- The line has been proposed by the owners of Canary Wharf.
- Getting to Canary Wharf from Euston, Kings Cross and St. Pancras is difficult.
- Property developers have always decided where London’s railways go.
- The plan would seem to have just one intermediate stop at Blackfriars station.
These new or improved services will be happening in the next ten years.
- More and faster services to/from the Midlands and the North West at Euston.
- High Speed Two services at Euston
- More and faster services to/from the East Midlands and Sheffield at St. Pancras.
- More Continental services at St. Pancras
- More and faster services to/from Yorkshire, the North East and Scotland at Kings Cross.
These lead me to the conclusion, that a new rail link is needed across London.
A Possible Western Extension To The Docklands Light Railway
In A Connection Between City Thameslink Station And The Docklands Light Railway, I wrote about a possible Western extension of the Docklands Light Railway.
his map from Transport for London, shows this possible Western extension of the DLR.
This was my analysis.
With all the problems of the funding of Crossrail 2, that I wrote about in Crossrail 2 Review Prompts Fresh Delays, could this extension of the DLR, be a good idea?
Consider,
- Victoria, Euston and St. Pancras are prosposed Crossrail 2 stations.
- It would link Canary Wharf and the City of London to Eurostar, Northern and Scottish services and High Speed 2.
- It would give all of the Docklands Light Railway network access to Thameslink.
- A pair of well-designed termini at Euston and St. Panras would probably increase frequency and capacity on the Bank branch of the system.
- The DLR is getting new higher capacity trains.
- Bank station is being upgraded with forty percent more passenger capacity.
- Holborn station is being upgraded and hopefully will be future-proofed for this extension.
- One big advantage at City Thameslink, is that Thameslink and the proposed DLR extension will cross at right-angles, thus probably making designing a good step-free interchange easier.
- The Bank Branch of the DLR currently handles 15 tph, but could probably handle more, if they went on to two terminal stations at St Pancras and Victoria..
- Waterloo and City Line can run at twenty-four tph.
Cinderella she may be, but then she always delivers, when there is a desperate need, just as she did magnificently at the 2012 Olympics.
The only problem with this extension of the DLR, is that compared to the rest of the system, the views will be terrible.
For myself and all the others living along the East London Line, with a step-free change at Shadwell, we would get excellent access to Euston, Saint Pancras and Victoria
But could the line still be called the Docklands Light Railway, as it spreads its tentacles further?
Will Cinderella come to the help of Canary Wharf for a second time?
I remember, when the Lewisham extension of the DLR was built without fuss, fanfare and cost and time overruns a couple of decades ago.
It was a triumph of sensible engineering.





















































