Along The Hope Valley Line – 13th July 2020
These pictures show my return trip between Manchester Piccadilly and Dore & Totley stations.
There are an assorted set of stations.
- Some stations appear to have new platforms.
- Marple station has a impressive step-free bridge.
- Some stations may be Listed or should be.
- There are walking routes from some stations.
- Some stations need improvements to the access.
I also have some thoughts on the service.
The Class 150 Trains
The Class 150 trains have these characteristics.
- Installed Power – 426 kW
- Weight – 35.8 tonnes
- Operating Speed – 75 mph.
This compares with these for a Class 195 train.
- Installed Power – 780 kW
- Weight – 40 tonnes
- Operating Speed – 100 mph.
- Acceleration – 0.83 m/sec/sec
Unfortunately, I can’t find the acceleration for a Class 150 train, but I suspect that it’s not as good as the Class 195 train.
- I was in a Class 150 train, for both journeys.
- IThe train was on time both ways.
- The engine under my carriage wasn’t working that hard.
- The train was trundling around at around 60 mph.
- The operating speed of the line is 90 mph.
So I suspect, that a well-driven Class 195 train will shave a few minutes from the journey time.
Transport For The North’s Plan For Manchester And Sheffield
Transportbfor the North objective for Manchester Piccadilly and Sheffield stations can be summed up as follows.
Four tph in forty minutes.
As current trains take over anhour, it could be a tough ask!
The Timetable
The timetable isn’t very passenger-friendly with no easy-to-remember clock-face timetable.
This must be sorted.
Hopefully, it will increase the number of passengers riding on the route.
Battery Electric Trains
Consider.
- Sheffield station will be electrified for High Speed Two.
- It is likely that the route between Dore & Totley and Sheffield station will be electrified.
- There is electrification at the Manchester end of the route.
- The distance without electrification in the middle is probably about thirty-six miles.
- Fifty-sixty miles seems a typical range quoted for a battery electric train by train manufacturers.
As electric trains generally accelerate faster than their diesel equivalent, these could run the route reliably and save time on the journey.
Conclusion
I’m coming round to the opinion, that Transport for the North’s objectives for the route can be met without electrification.
Macclesfield Station And High Speed Two
Today, I went to Macclesfield station.
In the latest iteration of High Speed Two, two new destinations were added to the High Speed Two Network; Macclesfield and Lancaster.
These pictures show Macclesfield station.
It is a modern station, with three through platforms, two bridges and some Modernist architecture from the 1970s, that could be improved.
This Google Map shows the layout of the station.
Note.
- Platform 1 is in the West and is used by trains to Stockport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- Platform 2 is in the middle and is used by trains going to Stoke, London and the South.
- Platform 3 is in the East and appears to be used a couple of times per day.
- It also appears there might have been a fourth platform.
All platforms appear capable of handling an eleven-car Class 390 train, which are over two hundred and sixty metres in length.
Is the plan to use Macclesfield as a High Speed Two terminal feasible?
Which Trains Will High Speed Two Use On Macclesfield Services?
It appears that High Speed Two will have two types of trains.
- Trains built to the European loading gauge, that will only be able to work on high lines like High Speed One and High Speed Two. Examples would be Eurostar’s Class 373 and Class 374 trains.
- Trains built to the UK loading gauge, that could also work on existing UK 125 mph routes like the East Coast, Great Western, Midland and West Coast Main Lines. Examples would be Class 800. Class 801, Class 802, Class 390 and Class 745 trains.
The second type, which are referred to, as class-compatible trains will be used to Macclesfield, as these services will share track with Class 390 and other trains, that have been or will be built to the smaller UK loading gauge.
Will Classic-Compatible High Speed Two Trains Fit Into Macclesfield Station?
Currently, every hour, one eleven-car Class 390 train calls in Macclesfield station in both directions, as they provide one of Avanti \west Coast’s three trains per hour (tph) between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
The current trains are sixty metres longer than the proposed classic-compatible High Speed Two trains, that could be terminating in Macclesfield station.
How Would Passengers Who Started And Finished Their Journeys In Macclesfield, Connect to Manchester?
Currently, these hourly services connect Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke stations.
- Avanti West Cost – Manchester Piccadilly and London Euston.
- CrossCountry – Manchester Piccadilly and Bournemouth
- CrossCountry – Manchester Piccadilly and Bristol
- Northern – Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke, which stops at all stations.
The characteristics would be common to all these four trains.
- Services call at Stockport, Macclesfield and Stoke stations.
- As services share tracks with a High Speed Two service, they must be reasonably fast.
- All except the Northern service are 125 mph trains.
- The Northern service is run by a 90 mph Class 323 electric train.
- As Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke via Stockport is a fully-electrified route, the trains should probably be able to take advantage.
In an ideal world should the frequency be six tph or one train every ten minutes in each direction?
Which Platforms Would Be Used To Terminate High Speed Two Services?
Trains built to the UK loading gauge could probably terminate in any of the three platforms.
But it might be advantageous to terminate all services in the same platform.
Platform 3 would be the obvious choice.
- It shares an island platform with classic services going South between Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke.
- Passengers starting their journeys in Manchester Piccadilly or Stockport could just walk across from their connecting train to the High Speed Two train.
It must surely be a possibility to make Platform 2 able to operate bi-directionally, so that all trains between Manchester Piccadilly and Stoke stations in both directions, stop in Platform 2, alongside the High Speed Two train for London and the South, that is waiting in Platform 3. The combined frequency would be eight tph. All passengers would just walk across the island platform to change trains.
Could A North-Facing Bay Platform Be Fitted Into The Northern End Of The Island Platform 2/3?
If you are going to provide a High Speed Two service to and from Macclesfield station, it needs to have superb and comprehensive connections to as many places as possible.
The station currently has four tph to Manchester Piccadilly, Stockport and Stoke, but would a North-facing bay platform with level access to the High Speed Two platform make any of the following feasible?
- Run a second local stopping service between Manchester Piccadilly and Macclesfield to give all intermediate stations two tph to High Speed Two.
- Run hourly services to places that don’t have good connections to high speed services to London and the South.
- The Stockport and Stalybridge Line could be used to connect Stalybridge and Huddersfield to High Speed Two.
- There might even be a way of creating a link between Macclesfield and Manchester Airport.
Note.
- Looking at the platform layout at Macclesfield station, fitting in a bay platform would appear to be feasible.
- The important Stockport station, which seems to have been forgotten by High Speed Two would probably have at least six tph to High Speed Two at Macclesfield station.
- The local train could be timed to arrive at Macclesfield station, a convenient time before the High Speed Two train is scheduled to depart.
The bay platform could even be part of Platform 3, if it was decided that trains stopping in Platform 3, never used the platform as a through platform. It would be Macclesfield’s version of the Clapham Kiss.
I suspect more space could be found, by moving the signal box at the end of the station.
\remember that these days most signalling is controlled from centralised Rail Operation Centres.
Could High Speed Two Trains Run Between Macclesfield And Manchester Piccadilly?
As I said earlier, High Speed Two’s classic-compatible trains will be the same cross-section and shorter, than an eleven-car Class 390 train.
So the answer to my question must be yes!
- This would enable a stop at Stockport station.
- No platform lengthening would be required at Manchester Piccadilly and Stockport stations.
High Speed Two must have good reasons for using Macclesfield as a terminal.
- There are capacity issues between Macclesfield and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
- Macclesfield offers opportunities to connect to places, that are difficult to reach from Manchester Piccadilly station.
But these problems could probably be overcome by digital signalling or extension of the Manchester Metrolink.
Could More High Speed Two Services Run Between Macclesfield Station and The South?
Consider.
- I believe that Macclesfield station could handle more than an hourly High Speed Two train.
- It is a general principle, that on a metro like the London Overground or Merseyrail, that a single platform can handle up to four or even six tph.
- Four tph would surely be too high, but Macclesfield could easily handle a second classic-compatible train to and from Birmingham Curzon Street via Stoke and Stafford.
- During the inevitable works at Manchester Piccadilly station to sccomodate High Speed Two, Macclesfield could offer an alternative route, between London and Manchester.
Using Macclesfield station, as an alternative terminal for Manchester Piccadilly, builds in extra capacity for the future and offers a valuable alternative route during construction and upgrade works.
Rationalisation Between Cross Country And High Speed Two
Consider.
- In a lot of locations North of Birmingham, CrossCountry and High Speed Two seem to provide similar services between the same stations.
- Using currently proposed connections between High Speed Two and the classic network, CrossCountry’s services could run faster.
- CrossCountry’s new fleet of trains will probably be multi-mode trains, that will be very similar to the classic-compatible High Speed Two trains.
- Some of the routes used by CrossCountry’s services will have a substantial upgrade to allow higher speeds and more trains, to speed up High Speed Two services.
There must be a case for rationalisation of services.
Conclusion
The more I look at High Speed Two terminating at Macclesfield station, the more I like it.
I can see these services running from the station in the future.
- High Speed Two – Macclesfield and London Euston – One tph – This service would additionally call at Birmingham Interchange to link up with CrossCountry to the South.
- High Speed Two – Macclesfield and Birmingham Curzon Street – One tph
- CrossCountry – Macclesfield and Bournemouth, Plymouth or Reading – One tph.
- Northern and others – Macclesfield and Manchester Piccadilly via Stockport – Four-six tph
- Northern – Macclesfield and Huddersfield via Stockport and Stalybridge – Two tph
- Northern – Macclesfield and Manchester Airport – Two tph.
Obviously, this is all speculation, but Macclesfield will develop into an important rail hub to the South-East of Manchester.
Beeching Reversal – A New Station At Waverley In Sheffield
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
In July 2019, I covered this new station in Sheffield Region Transport Plan 2019 – A New Tram-Train Route To A New Station At Waverley.
Note that to avoid confusion, I now refer to this station as Sheffield Waverley station.
This was my conclusion in the July 2019 post.
Why shouldn’t Sheffield have an advanced tram-train system to serve the Advanced Manufacturing Park?
I feel the service should be as follows.
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- It should be terminated in a loop around the Waverley area and the Advanced Manufacturing Park.
- In the West it could terminate in Sheffield station or perhaps pass through and terminate in the West of the City.
- The service could be run using battery electric tram-trains, similar to the Class 398 tram-trains, that will be used on the South Wales Metro.
I don’t think that the engineering will be very challenging.
I shall be adding to this post.
Northern Line Extension Around Kennington Station – 10th July 2020
I took a trip to Kennington this afternoon to look at the sites of the Northern Line Extension around Kennington station.
These pictures show Kennington station.
It appears work is still proceeding inside the station to complete the extra passageways.
This Google Map shows the station.
As the hoardings seen in Braganza Street were not there this afternoon, have the builders finished the major works at the station?
I then walked to the site in Kennington Park, where there is a construction site, where they are building a headhouse.
This page on the TfL web site gives more details.
I took these pictures of the site today.
There does seem to be work to do, but I’ve no idea how much.
This Google Map shows the site.
If the shaft under the headhouse, is covered by the green cover, it’s not going to be enormous.
Finally, I walked to Kennington Green, where they are building another headhouse.
This page on the TfL web site gives more details.
I took these pictures of the site today.
It looks like the new concrete building on the far side of site will be clad in bricks to fit in with the houses.
This Google Map shows the site.
It does appear to be a very different design to the other site.
But there is still some time to go.
Beeching Reversal – Reinstatement Of The Beverley And York Rail Line
This is one of the Beeching Reversal projects that the Government and Network Rail are proposing to reverse some of the Beeching cuts.
The York And Beverley Line does what it says in the name.
A section in the Wikipedia entry is entitled Re-Opening Proposals and the treatment of the trackbed after closure would appear to be a case study in how not to mothball a railway.
- The original route has been built on in several places at Huntingdon, New Earswick, Pocklington and Stamford Bridge.
- A new route will have to be built to connect to the York and Scarborough Line at Haxby.
- There may also be problems at Beverley.
The only positive thing I can see, is that York City Council, want to re-open Haxby station. If this station were to be re-opened with a future-proofed design that might help in the wider scheme of reopening the Beverley and York Line.
This Google Map shows the original location of Haxby station.
Note.
- There is a dreaded level crossing in the middle of the village, that typically has around two trains per hour (tph)
- The road going to the West at the top of the map, is called Station Road, which is a bit of a giveaway.
- The building on the triangular site is called Station garage.
- Some reports on the Internet say that allotments will be turned into car parks.
- According to Wikipedia 22,000 people live within three miles of the station site.
The station site appears to be hemmed in by housing and comments from readers on one report are complaining about car parking being a problem an definitely don’t want the station.
Wikipedia says this about the proposed service on the Beverley and York Line.
The report recommended reinstating a service from Hull via Beverley, Market Weighton, Stamford Bridge and Pocklington connecting to the York to Scarborough Line at Haxby, on a double track line with a frequency of 2 trains per hour, with intermediate stations only at Market Weighton, Pocklington and Stamford Bridge. The estimate journey time was under 1 hour.
As the Beverley and York Line can’t join the York and Scarborough Line in the middle of Haxby, would it join North or South of the town?
Joining to the North would allow the Beverley trains to call at Haxby, but that would mean the level crossing was busy with six tph.
This Google Map shows the countryside between Haxby in the North and Earswick in the South.
Note.
- The York and Scarborough Line going through the centre of Haxby and then passing down the West side of the light brown fields.
- York is to the South and Scarborough is to the North.
I wonder, if the Beverley and York Line could branch to the East here and skirt to the North of Earswick before continuing to Pocklington for Beverley.
Perhaps, a Park-and-Ride station could be situated, where the railway and the road called Landing Lane cross?
At Beverley, this Google Map shows how the Beverley and York Line connects to the station.
Note.
- Beverley station at the bottom of the map.
- The Hull and Scarborough running North-South through the station.
The line divides by Beverley Rugby Football Club, with the trackbed of the Beverley and York Line going off in the North-Westerly direction.
This seems a lot easier than at the York end of the route.
I have flown my virtial helicopter over much of the route between Beverley and York, and the trackbed is visible but missing in places, where construction has taken place.
Would The Route Be Single Or Double-Track?
The plans call for double track, but would it be necessary?
- There will only be two tph, that will take under an hour.
- No freight trains will use the line.
- The route is 32 miles long.
I suspect a single track would suffice, with a passing loop at Market Weighton station.
Should The Line Be Electrified?
I wouldn’t electrify the whole line, but I would electrify the following.
- Hull and Beverley, so that battery trains to and from London could top up their batteries.
- Haxby and York, so that battery trains to and from Scarborough could top up their batteries.
These two short stretches of electrification would allow battery electric operation between Hull and York, trains could charge their batteries at either end of the route.
Electrification Between Hull And Beverley
Consider.
- Hull Trains extend their London and Hull services to Beverley.
- Hull and Beverley are just over eight miles apart.
- Trains to and from London Kings Cross use the electrification on the East Coast Main Line to the South of Temple Hirst Junction.
- Hull and Temple Hirst Junction are thirty-six miles apart.
- Hull Trains and LNER use Hitachi Class 800 or Class 802 electro-diesel trains on services between London Kings Cross and Hull.
Hitachi’s proposed battery-electric conversion of these trains, would have a range of 56 miles, according to this infographic.
I have flown my helicopter along the route and counted the following.
- Level crossings – 5
- Modern road bridges – 5
- Footbridges – 5
- Other bridges – 5
- Stations – 1
Nothing looked too challenging.
In my view electrification between Hull and Beverley and at convenient platforms at both stations, would be a simple way of decarbonising rail travel between London and Hull.
If this electrification were to be installed, distances from the electrification between Hull and Beverley, these would be the distances to be covered on battery power to various places.
- Bridlington – 23 miles
- Doncaster via Goole – 41 miles
- Leeds – 52 miles
- Neville Hill Depot – 49 miles
- Scarborough – 45 miles
- York – 52 miles
Note.
- All of these places would be in range of a fully-charged Hitachi battery electric train running to and from Hull.
- Of the destinations, only Bridlington and Scarborough, is not a fully-electrified station.
- One of the prerational problems in the area, is that due to a lack of electrification to the East of Neville Hall Depot, electric trains from York and Hull have difficulty reaching the depot. Trains with a battery capability won’t have this problem.
- Hull and Beverley and a lot of stations in the area, would only be served by electric trains, with a battery capability.
There would be a large decrease in pollution and emissions caused by passenger trains in the area.
Electrification Between Haxby And York
Consider.
- York and Haxby are 4 miles apart.
- York and Scarborough are 42 miles apart.
- York and Beverley are 32 miles apart.
Note that unlike at Beverley, there is no need to electrify the end of the route, as trains can be charged in the turnround at York.
With a charging facility at Scarborough, the Class 802 trains of TransPennine Express could work this route if fitted with batteries.
Could Lightweight Electrification Be Used?
Electrification gantries like these have been proposed for routes, where the heavy main-line gantries would be too intrusive.
They could have a place in the rebuilding of lines like Beverley and York.
Trains Between York And Beverley
The UK’s railways need to be decarbonised before 2040.
As a train delivered today, would probably last forty years, I think it would be prudent to only introduce zero-carbon trains to the network, where they are able to run the proposed services.
There is no doubt in my mind, that all these local services in East Yorkshire could be run using battery-electric trains with a 56 mile range.
- Hull and Doncaster
- Hull and Leeds
- Hull and Neville Hill Depot
- Hull and Scarborough
- Hull and York via Beverley and Market Weighton
- Hull and York via Selby
- York and Scarborough
The only electrification needed would be as follows.
Electrification between Hull and Beverley.
Electrification of some platforms at Beverley and Hull stations.
Some form of charging at Scarborough.
Charging may also be needed at Bridlington station.
The trains needed for the route seem to fit Hitachi’s specification well and a Class 385 train to the following specification, would do a highly capable job.
- Three or four-cars.
- Batteries for a 56 mile range.
- 90-100 mph operating speed.
I’m also sure that Bombardier, CAF and Stadler could also provide a suitable train.
Could Tram-Trains Be Used?
I feel that they could be used successfully and might enable cost savings on the substantial rebuilding of the route needed.
- Lighter weight structures.
- Single track with passing places.
- Tramway electrification or battery.
- Less vidual intrusion.
- The service could also have more stops.
Perhaps too, it could go walkabout in Hull City Centre to take passengers to and from Hull station.
Conclusion
It is rebuilding the tracks between Beverley and York, that will be difficult in the reopening of this line, which with hindsight should have not been vandalised by British Rail.
But even, if the Beverley and York Line is not re-opened, it does look that if Beverley and Hull were to be electrified, it would enable a network of battery electric zero-carbon trains in East Yorkshire and allow battery electric trains to run between Kings Cross and Hull.
South Wales Metro Railway Works Imminent
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Rail Technology Magazine.
Work starts on the third of August and is described in this sentence,
TfW is now starting to build the South Wales Metro which will see major infrastructure works including the electrification of over 170km of track mostly with overhead lines, station and signalling upgrades and the construction of at least five new stations.
It will be one of the most innovative electrification projects ever performed in the UK, as it uses discontinuous electrification.
I explained discontinuous electrification in More On Discontinuous Electrification In South Wales, where I said this.
In the July 2018 Edition of Modern Railways, there is an article entitled KeolisAmey Wins Welsh Franchise.
This is said about the electrification on the South Wales Metro.
KeolisAmey has opted to use continuous overhead line equipment but discontinuous power on the Core Valley Lnes (CVL), meaning isolated OLE will be installed under bridges. On reaching a permanently earthed section, trains will automatically switch from 25 KVAC overhead to on-board battery supply, but the pantograph will remain in contact with the overhead cable, ready to collect power after the section. The company believes this method of reducing costly and disruptive engineering works could revive the business cases of cancelled electrification schemes. Hopes of having money left over for other schemes rest partly on this choice of technology.
Other points made include.
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- A total of 172 km. of track will be electrified.
- The system is used elsewhere, but not in the UK.
- Disruptive engineering works will be avoided on fifty-five structures.
- Between Radyr and Ninian Park stations is also proposed for electrification.
Nothing is said about only electrifying the uphill track, which surely could be a way of reducing costs.
I wrote the last sentence, as surely coming down the hills, the trains can be powered by Newton’s friend.
The New Stations
This article on Business Live, gives the list of new stations and their completion dates.
- Crwys Road – End of 2022
- Loudoun Square – End of 2023
- Cardiff Bay – End of 2023
- Treforest Estate – End of 2025
- Gabalfa – 2028
If the builders crack on as they did at Horden station, I wouldn’t be surprised to see those dates achieved, with time to spare.
Electro-Diesel Tram-Train Order Expanded To Support Service Increase
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Railway Gazette.
This is the introductory paragraph.
National passenger operator MÁV-Start has exercised an option for Stadler’s Valencia plant to supply a further four Citylink electro-diesel tram-trains for the route being developed to link Hódmezővásárhely with Szeged.
The reason, I am posting this, is that I feel the use of diesel tram-trains may have applications in this country.
- The Class 399 tram-trains in Sheffield and the Class 398 tram-trains ordered for the South Wales Metro are both members of the Citylink family, that were built or will be built in Stadler’s Valencia plant.
- The Class 398 tram-trains will have batteries to extend the route on routes without electrification.
Perhaps, if they ran on bio-diesel, they may have applications, where electrification would be difficult or inappropriate and the distance is too long for a Citylink with batteries.














































































