The Anonymous Widower

Could London And Central Scotland Air Passengers Be Persuaded To Use The Trains?

How Many Passengers Fly Between London And Edinburgh?

Wikipedia gives these figures for 2024 for passengers from Edinburgh to London

  • London City – 334,873
  • London Gatwick – 476,152
  • London Heathrow – 1,148,634
  • London Luton – 338, 729
  • London Stansted – 693,953

This gives a total of 2,992,341.

As Wikipedia doesn’t give complete figures for from London to Edinburgh, for the purpose of this analysis, I’ll assume they are the same.

How Many Passengers Fly Between London And Glasgow?

Wikipedia gives these figures for 2024 for passengers from Glasgow to London

  • London City – 208,405
  • London Gatwick – 456,002
  • London Heathrow – 954,027
  • London Luton – 255,095
  • London Stansted – 225,110

This gives a total of 2,098,639.

As Wikipedia doesn’t give complete figures for from London to Glasgow, for the purpose of this analysis, I’ll assume they are the same.

How Many Passengers Fly Between London And Scotland’s Central Belt?

Adding the two figures gives 5,090,980. in both directions.

Which is an average of 97,903 per week or 13,948 per day.

How Many Train Seats Run Between London And Scotland’s Central Belt?

These figures are for Friday the 1st of August.

  • Aventi West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central – 5 x 9-car Class 390 train – 2,345 seats
  • Aventi West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central – 16 x 11-car Class 390 train – 6,677 seats
  • LNER – London King’s Cross and Edinburgh – 26 x 9-car Class 801 train – 15,886 seats
  • Lumo – London King’s Cross and Edinburgh – 5 x 5-car Class 803 train – 2,010 seats

Note.

  1. All services are all-electric.
  2. All services are fairly new or have recently been refurbished,

This gives a total of 26,918 train seats.

Adding Lumo’s Service To Glasgow

In Lumo Will Extend Its King’s Cross And Edinburgh Service To Glasgow, I suggested that the Glasgow service would be run as follows from December 2025.

  • Two existing Lumo services will leave London as pairs of five-car trains.
  • The pairs will split at Edinburgh.
  • The leading train will go on to Glasgow Queen Street calling at Edinburgh Haymarket and Falkirk High stations.
  • The trailing train will return to London King’s Cross.
  • At the end of the day, the two trains in Glasgow will do a fast run back to London King’s Cross as a pair of 5-car trains.

This will add 804 seats per day between London and Glasgow Queen Street in both directions.

The daily total would now total 27,722 train seats, which compares with a daily average of 13,948 passengers per day, who travel by air.

Adding Lumo’s Service To Stirling

In Lumo To Expand Scotland’s Rail Network With New London-Stirling Rail Route From Spring 2026, I talk about Lumo’s new service to Stirling.

  • There will be five trains per day (tpd) in each direction.
  • Lumo’s new route will link London Euston directly to Stirling, also calling at Milton Keynes, Nuneaton, Crewe, Preston, Carlisle, Lockerbie, Motherwell, Whifflet (serving Coatbridge), Greenfaulds (serving Cumbernauld) and Larbert.
  • The service will use 6-car Class 222 trains, which in the linked post, I estimate will have a similar one-class capacity to the Class 803 trains between London King’s Cross and Edinburgh.
  • If the capacity of the two train types is similar, this should give operational advantages and allow some more Class 803 trains to run the Euston and Stirling route.

This second Scottish route will add 2010 train seats per day between London Euston and Stirling in both directions.

The daily total would now total 29,732 train seats, which compares with a daily average of 13,948 passengers per day, who travel by air.

Could More Capacity Be Added Between London And Scotland’s Central Belt?

I believe some of the Lumo services between London King’s Cross and Edinburgh could be doubled up to a pair of trains.

There would have to be no platform length issues at London King’s Cross, Stevenage, Newcastle and Morpeth stations.

If three trains could be doubled up, that would add 1,206 train seats per day between London and Edinburgh in both directions.

The daily total would now total 30,938 train seats, which compares with a daily average of 13,948 passengers per day, who travel by air.

I also suspect, that some of the Stirling services could be doubled up.

Connectivity Of England’s Northern Airports To London And Central Scotland

Birmingham Airport

Consider.

  • There are easyJet flights to Edinburgh and Glasgow
  • There are 1.5 trains per hour (tph) between Birmingham New Street and Edinburgh.
  • There are 6 tpd between Birmingham New Street and Glasgow.

You would make your choice and pay the money.

East Midlands Airport

There are no flights or trains to Edinburgh and Glasgow.

Leeds Airport

Consider.

  • There are no flights to Edinburgh or Glasgow.
  • There is one tph between Leeds and Edinburgh
  • There is one tpd between Leeds and Glasgow

Could Leeds and Glasgow get better connectivity?

Liverpool Airport

Consider.

  • There are no flights to Edinburgh or Glasgow.
  • There is one tph between Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh
  • There is three tpd between Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow

The Liverpool area is well connected to Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston stations on the West Coast Main Line for alternative services to Glasgow.

Manchester Airport

Consider.

  • There are no flights to Edinburgh or Glasgow.
  • There is one tph between Manchester Airport and Scotland via Manchester Piccadilly and Manchester Oxford Road, which alternates between Edinburgh and Glasgow.

The Manchester area is well connected to Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston stations on the West Coast Main Line for alternative services to Glasgow.

Omio gives this summary of flights between Heathrow and Manchester airports.

Flights from Manchester Airport to London Heathrow Airport depart on average 8 times per day, taking around 1h 6m. Cheap flight tickets for this journey start at £63 but you can travel from only £16 by coach.

Wrightbus and others will be producing mouse-quiet hydrogen-powered coaches in a couple of years. I suspect these will give short flights a good kicking.

Newcastle Airport

Consider.

  • There are no flights to Edinburgh or Glasgow.
  • There is three tph between Newcastle and Edinburgh with an additional 5 tpd from Lumo.
  • There is two tpd between Newcastle and Glasgow.
  • There is one tpd between Newcastle and Stirling.
  • From December 2025, Lumo will add two tpd from Newcastle to Glasgow and one tpd from Glasgow to Newcastle.
  • In Lumo Will Extend Its King’s Cross And Edinburgh Service To Glasgow, I stated that I believe that Lumo’s Glasgow to Newcastle service will be a late evening ten-car train, so travellers can have a long day in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Newcastle and still return to London.

Lumo would appear to fill in the gap between Newcastle and Glasgow.

Google AI gives this summary of flights between Heathrow and Newcastle airports.

There are usually 5-6 direct flights per day between Newcastle and Heathrow airports. These flights are operated by British Airways. The average flight time is around 1 hour and 10 minutes.

Note.

  1. In 2024, 497, 469 passengers flew between between Heathrow and Newcastle airports, which is an average of 681 passengers in each direction every day.
  2. This was an increase of 13.6 % on 2023.
  3. From December Lumo will be running extra London King’s Cross and Newcastle services, with each train having 402 seats.
  4. The improvements in rail services in and around Newcastle in recent months, will surely bring more passengers to use trains from Newcastle station.
  5. Will Lumo also target adverts at airline passengers?

London and Newcastle could be another route for mouse-quiet hydrogen-powered coaches.

Conclusion

These numbers summarise my calculations.

  • Currently an average of 13,948 passengers per day fly between London and Central Scotland.
  • Currently, there are 26,918 train seats available per day between London and Central Scotland.
  • In December 2025, Lumo will add another 804 low-cost train seats between London King’s Cross and Glasgow Queen Street.
  • In Spring 2026, Lumo will add 2010 low-cost train seats between London Euston and Stirling.
  • From Spring 2026, there will be 29,732 train seats available per day between London and Central Scotland.
  • This represents a 10 % increase of seats on the trains between London and Central Scotland.

How many passengers, who normally fly, will switch to using the train?

  • Lumo may only offer one class, but you get a trolley and can order food from M & S and others to be delivered to your seat.
  • Both LNER and Lumo accept dogs. I don’t know about Avanti.
  • All services will be all-electric, when Lumo gets its new electric trains for Stirling, in a few years.
  • It looks to me like Lumo could be offering a late train back to London from Edinburgh and Glasgow.
  • Digital signalling on the East Coast Main Line should speed up services.

If Lumo to Glasgow and Stirling works out, it could also cut the total carbon footprint of travel between London and Central Scotland.

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Preston Station – 23rd May 2025

I finally got to Preston station today, after my failure that I wrote about in An Annoying Day.

I took these pictures.

I shall deal with the features of the station in separate sub-sections.

The Original High Speed Two Schedule Through Preston Station

This diagram shows High Speed Two services, as they were originally envisaged before Phase 2 was discontinued.

Note.

  1. Trains to the left of the vertical black line are Phase 1 and those to the right are Phase 2.
  2. Full-Size trains are shown in blue.
  3. Classic-Compatible trains are shown in yellow.
  4. Blue circles are shown, where trains stop.
  5. The dotted circles are where trains split and join.
  6. In the red boxes routes alternate every hour.

Click on the diagram to enlarge it.

If I look at the trains counting from the left of the diagram, I see the following trains passing Preston station.

  1. Train 4 is a pair of classic-compatible trains, that split and join at Crewe, with one train going to Lancaster and the other to Liverpool Lime Street.
  2. Trains 10 and 11 are pairs of classic-compatible trains going between London and Scotland.
  3. Train 12 is a single classic-compatible train going between Birmingham and Scotland.

All four trains stop in Preston station.

The Track Layout

This OpenRailwayMap shows the track layout through the station.

Note.

  1. Tracks shown in red are electrified and tracks in black or not.
  2. Platforms 3 and 4 form a large island platform in the middle of the station.
  3. The platform is 373 metres long so it will almost take a pairs of classic-compatible trains going between London and Scotland.
  4. There are platforms either side of the island platform.

Click on the diagram to enlarge it.

How Will High Speed Two Operate At Preston Station?

Four hourly High Speed Two classic-compatible trains on the original plan would have called at Preston.

  • London and Lancaster – Single 200 metre train.
  • London and Scotland – Pair of 200 metre trains, splitting at Carlisle with one going to Edinburgh and one to Glasgow.
  • London and Scotland – Pair of 200 metre trains, splitting at Carlisle with one going to Edinburgh and one to Glasgow.
  • Birmingham and Scotland – Single 200 metre train, going alternately to Edinburgh and Glasgow.

With 27 metres of lengthening, all trains would fit the island platform 3 and 4.

I could see the platforms at Preston station fitted with travelators.

The picture shows the length of the Northbound Platform 3. The camera is looking South.

Footbridges And Subways

I would envisage that a lot of passengers would connect to High Speed Two at Preston station and the crossing from the outside platforms to the central island platform needs to be improved.

As the main trains will be 400 metres long, there will need to be fully step-free access with lifts at both ends of the station.

Judging from my pictures, the current footbridges need refurbishing.

Should Pairs Of High-Speed Trains Split and Join At Preston?

The pairs of High Speed Two classic-compatible trains running between London and Scotland are planned to split and join at Carlisle.

It could be better, if they split and joined at Preston, as it might avoid costly lengthening of the platforms at Carlisle.

 

May 25, 2025 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , | Leave a comment

Is Wigan North Western Station Ready For High Speed Two?

This diagram shows High Speed Two services, as they were originally envisaged before Phase 2 was discontinued.

Note.

  1. Trains to the left of the vertical black line are Phase 1 and those to the right are Phase 2.
  2. Full-Size trains are shown in blue.
  3. Classic-Compatible trains are shown in yellow.
  4. Blue circles are shown, where trains stop.
  5. The dotted circles are where trains split and join.
  6. In the red boxes routes alternate every hour.
  7. Was Lancaster chosen as it’s close to the new Eden Project Morecambe?

Click on the diagram to enlarge it.

It would appear if High Speed Two sticks to this original pattern of services, then the following trains will go through Wigan North Western station.

  • 200 metre single train – London Euston and Lancaster, which stops at Old Oak Common, Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston.
  • 400 metre pair of trains – London Euston and Edinburgh Haymarket/Edinburgh Waverley/Glasgow Central, which stops at Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle.
  • 400 metre pair of trains – London Euston and Edinburgh Haymarket/Edinburgh Waverley/Glasgow Central, which stops at Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston, Carlisle.
  • 200 metre single train – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Haymarket/Edinburgh Waverley or Motherwell/Glasgow Central, which stops at Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Carlisle and Lockerby and every two hours at Oxenholme and Penrith.

Note.

  1. Only single High Speed Two classic-compatible trains, stop in Wigan North Western station and they are only two hundred metres long.
  2. One train per hour (tph) terminates at Lancaster and a second tph terminates alternatively at Edinburgh Haymarket/Edinburgh Waverley or Glasgow Central.
  3. Four hundred metre long pairs of trains go through North Western station without stopping.

Currently Wigan North Western has 14 trains per day (tpd) stopping at the station, eleven of which go to Scotland and three to Blackpool.

This Google Map shows Wigan North Western station.

Note.

  1. The two long platforms in the middle of the station, where the Avanti trains stop.
  2. A long platform on the Southern side of the station used by local services to and from Liverpool and Blackpool.
  3. Three bay platforms on the Northern side of the station, one of which is unused, that handle local services to Manchester and beyond.

As the 265.3 metre long Class 390 trains can use the central platforms, High Speed Two classic-compatible trains will be able to use these platforms.

On my brief visit to the station yesterday, I took these pictures.

Note.

  1. All Class 390 trains are longer than High Speed Two classic-compatible trains, so the train in the pictures indicates that the High Speed Two trains will be able to stop at Wigan North Western station.
  2. The platforms are long and wide.
  3. The station is well-equipped with lifts, cafes, waiting rooms and some of the best toilets in a station in the North of England.
  4. Wigan Wallgate station is only a short walk away, with a selection of local services to Blackburn, Headbolt Lane, Manchester, Southport and a large proportion of Lancashire.
  5. The last two pictures were taken looking at the two stations from halfway.
  6. The shops between the two stations are a good selection and include a Morrisons Local.

I had been intending to go on to Preston, Lancaster and Morecambe, but a points failure at Preston meant that no trains were running.

Conclusion

The two Wigan stations and the buses that serve them,  could be a good interchange for passengers to catch High Speed Two.

I feel that most of the work needed to be done at Wigan North Western to get the station ready for High Speed Two will mainly be cosmetic or technical upgrades like signalling. I can’t see any expensive or disruptive upgrades like platform lengthening being needed.

May 11, 2025 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 3 Comments

An Annoying Day

My plan was simple on Saturday May the 10th.

I intended to go to Liverpool Lime Street on a Day Return ticket.

I would then buy a Lancashire Day Ranger ticket and visit Wigan North Western, Preston and Lancaster stations, to see how ready, they are for High Speed Two services.

I also intended to go to Morecambe to see how the Eden Project Morecambe was getting on.

I did get to Wigan North Western station and later wrote Is Wigan North Western Station Ready For High Speed Two?

But then there was a points failure at Preston and after waiting at the station for over an hour for tranport to Preston, I changed plan.

I decided to go back to Liverpool by way of Wigan Wallgate and Headbolt Lane stations.

On return home, I wrote Wigan Wallgate To Headbolt Lane – 10th May 2025.

A Quick Run Back To London

At Lime Street station, I walked into the Wetherspoons pub at the station, with the intension of buying a bottle of my favourite brew, which all of the chain stock. But not this one!

So I got an early train back to London.

The Most Expensive Taxi Back From Euston

I paid over thirty pounds, when under twenty is the norm, not because I was being ripped off, but by the number of roadworks, that slowed our journey.

May 11, 2025 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , | 2 Comments

High Speed Two To Blackpool

There has been a lot of speculation about the Northern end of High Speed Two, so I might as well add sort out a few facts and add a bit of  speculation of my own.

The Current Blackpool Service

I shall look at the 05:35 train on the 5th October 2023.

  • It was a pair of Voyagers or Class 221 trains.
  • Euston and Blackpool North are 226.5 miles apart.
  • The train called at Preston, Wigan North Western, Warrington Bank Quay, Crewe and Stafford
  • The train should have arrived at Preston at 05:56 and left at 0600.
  • The train should have arrived at Wigan North Western at 06:11 and left at 06:12.
  • The train should have arrived at Warrington Bank Quay at 06:22 and left at 06:24.
  • The train should have arrived at Crewe at 06:46 and left at 06:55.
  • The train should have arrived at Stafford at 07:13 and left at 07:14.
  • The train should have arrived at London Euston at 08:35
  • The journey took three hours.
  • The average speed was 75.5 mph.
  • The Crewe and Blackpool North section is 68.5 miles and the train is scheduled to take one hour and eleven minutes.
  • The average speed between Crewe and Blackpool North is 57.9 mph.
  • There are three trains per day (tpd).

Note.

  1. Other services between London Euston and Blackpool North  are run by eleven-car Class 390 trains or Pendolinos.
  2. Blackpool North is fully electrified to London.

This means that London Euston and Blackpool North could be run using High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.

I have a few questions.

What Time Would Be Possible At The Present Time?

Consider.

  • According to the Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two, one hour and seventeen minutes is the fastest time between London Euston and Stafford.
  • The 05:35 is timed to take one hour and thirteen minutes with the four stops, between Blackpool North and Stafford.

This would give a London Euston and Blackpool North time of two hours and thirty minutes.

What Time Would Be Possible When High Speed Two Lite Opens To Handsacre Junction?

Consider.

  • According to the Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two, fifty-five minutes will be the fastest time between London Euston and Stafford, after High Speed Two opens to Handsacre junction.
  • The 05:35 is timed to take one hour and thirteen minutes with the four stops, between Blackpool North and Stafford.

This would give a London Euston and Blackpool North time of two hours and eight minutes.

What Frequency Would Be Needed?

LNER seem to run their secondary services to places like Harrogate and Lincoln using a frequency of one train per two hours (tp2h).

That could be an ideal frequency.

Would There Be A Path For The Train To And From London Euston?

This graphic shows High Speed Two services after Phase 2b is completed.

Note.

  1. Services shown in blue are run by High Speed Two Full Size trains.
  2. Services shown in yellow are run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible  trains.
  3. Each of these trains will have a frequency of one tph.
  4. The nine paths to the right of the vertical black line will not be needed for some time. If ever!
  5. It looks like a maximum of only eleven paths will be needed to the South of Birmingham.
  6. It looks like a maximum of only fourteen paths will be needed to the North of Birmingham.

In Will High Speed Two Lite Make Stafford An Important Station?, I totted up all the services through Stafford after High Speed Two Lite opened to Handsacre junction and got these figures.

  • Through Stafford station, there are totals of 11 tpd and 14 tph.
  • Along the Trent Valley Line, there are totals of 11 tpd and 12 tph.
  • North of Stafford on the West Coast Main Line, there are totals of 9 tpd and 12 tph.
  • South of Stafford on the West Coast Main Line, there are totals of 2 tpd and 2 tph.
  • Between Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent, there are totals of 2 tph.

I accounted for services moving from the West Coast Main Line to High Speed Two.

Consider.

  • A large proportion of the route between Preston and Handsacre junction, where the route would join High Speed Two Light has two dedicated high speed tracks and two tracks for freight and local services.
  • Digital signalling on High Speed Two has been designed to handle eighteen trains per hour (tph) at 225 mph.
  • Surely, the two dedicated high speed tracks, if fitted with High Speed Two digital signalling could handle say 16 tph at 140 mph.
  • Network Rail are good at juggling trains to squeeze in more services.
  • Extra paths could be created by splitting and joining trains at Crewe or Preston.

My Control Engineering training and practice tells me that it should be possible to add perhaps two tph between Preston and Euston.

Conclusion

I believe that High Speed Two Classic-Compatible  trains could be close to two hours between Blackpool and London Euston, when High Speed Two Lite opens from Handsacre junction.

 

October 8, 2023 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

High Speed Two To Lancaster

There has been a lot of speculation about the Northern end of High Speed Two, so I might as well add sort out a few facts and add a bit of  speculation of my own.

The Current Lancaster Service

I shall look at the 07:30 train on the 29th September 2023.

  • It was a nine-car Class 390 train or Pendolino, which left on time.
  • Euston and Lancaster are 230 miles apart.
  • The train passed Crewe at 09:59
  • The train arrived at Warrington Bank Quay at 09:14 and left at 09:15.
  • The train arrived at Wigan North Western at 09:25 and left at 09:26.
  • The train arrived at Preston at 09:39 and left at 09:41.
  • The train arrived at Lancaster at 09:55 and left at 09:57.
  • The journey took two hours and 25 minutes
  • The average speed was 95.2 mph.
  • There is at least one train per hour (tph).

Lancaster Will Get Its Own High Speed Two Service

This graphic shows High Speed Two services after Phase 2b is completed.

Note.

  1. Lancaster and Liverpool share a pair of High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains, that will split and join at Crewe.
  2. The Lancaster service will stop at Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston, to the North of Crewe.

The Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two gives these times for trains from London after Phase 2a opens to Crewe.

  • Crewe – 56 minutes
  • Warrington Bank Quay – One hour and 20 minutes
  • Wigan North Western – One hour and 34 minutes
  • Preston – One hour and 18 minutes
  • Lancaster – Two hours and 3 minutes
  • Oxenholme – One hour and 56 minutes
  • Carlisle – Two hours and 23 minutes

Note.

  1. The Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Lancaster times will apply to the direct Lancaster service.
  2. The Preston and Carlisle times apply to the non-stop Scottish service.
  3. Oxenholme will be reached with a change from London.
  4. Currently, Pendolinos travel between Crewe and Lancaster in an hour or a few minutes less.

I feel the Lancaster time is suspect and a better time would be around one hour and 52-56 minutes.

140 Mph Running Between Crewe And Preston

Consider.

  • London Euston and Crewe is 56 minutes
  • One hour and 18 minutes to Preston infers a time of 22 minutes between Crewe and Preston.
  • Crewe and Preston is 51 miles.

This implies an average speed of 139 mph.

As the West Coast Main Line was built for 140 mph, when digital signalling was installed, this would appear to be feasible, once the signalling is upgraded.

It may also mean, that faster times are possible in services to Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western.

Crewe And Warrington Bank Quay

Consider.

  • The distance is 24.1 miles
  • HS2 will take 24 minutes with one acceleration and one deceleration, which probably take a maximum of 4 minutes in total.
  • I explain the four minutes in High Speed Two To Crewe.

This gives an average speed of 72.3 mph.

Warrington Bank Quay And Wigan North Western

Consider.

  • The distance is 11.7 miles
  • HS2 will take 14 minutes with one acceleration and one deceleration, which probably take a maximum of 4 minutes in total.

This gives an average speed of 70.2 mph.

Wigan North Western And Lancaster

Consider.

  • The distance is 36.1 miles
  • HS2 will take 29 minutes with two accelerations and two decelerations, which probably take a maximum of 8 minutes in total.
  • I will also allow a minute for the dwell time at Preston.

This gives an average speed of 108.3 mph.

Crewe And Lancaster

Consider.

  • The distance is 72 miles
  • HS2 will take 67 minutes with four accelerations and four decelerations, which probably take a maximum of 16 minutes in total.
  • I will also allow a minute for the dwell times at Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan and Preston.

This gives an average speed of 90.6 mph.

I now feel happier about two hours and three minutes between London and Lancaster.

Conclusion

The West Coast Main Line needs upgrading to full in-cab digital signalling as soon as possible.

Once working it would give journey time savings for everybody travelling on the line.

See Also

Could High Speed Two Finish At Lichfield?

High Speed Two To Crewe

High Speed Two To Holyhead

High Speed Two To Liverpool

High Speed Two To Manchester

High Speed Two To Stoke-on-Trent

High Speed Two To Wigan

October 1, 2023 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , | 8 Comments

High Speed Two To Wigan

There has been a lot of speculation about the Northern end of High Speed Two, so I might as well add sort out a few facts and add a bit of speculation of my own.

The Current Wigan North Western Service

I shall look at the 08:30 train to Glasgow on the 20th September 2023.

  • It was an eleven-car Class 390 train or Pendolino, which left on time.
  • Euston and Wigan North Western are 193.8 miles apart.
  • Trains call at only Warrington Bank Quay
  • The train passed Crewe at 09:59
  • The train called at Warrington Bank Quay at 10:14 and left at 10:15.
  • The train arrived at Wigan North Western at 10:25 on time.
  • The journey took one hour and 55 minutes
  • The average speed was 101.1 mph.
  • The Crewe and Wigan North Western section is 35.8 miles and the train is scheduled to take 26 minutes.
  • The average speed between Crewe and Wigan North Western is 82.6 mph.

The train slows past Crewe because of the stop at Warrington Bank Quay.

London Euston And Wigan North Western After Phase 2a Of High Speed Two Opens

According to the Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two, these are the timings.

  • London Euston and Crewe – 56 minutes
  • London Euston and Warrington Bank Quay – One hour and 20 minutes
  • London Euston and Wigan North Western – One hour and 34 minutes

From these figures and the times of the 08:30, I can deduce these journey times.

  • Currently, Crewe and Warrington Bank Quay takes 16 minutes and High Speed Two will take 24 minutes
  • Currently, Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western takes 10 minutes and High Speed Two will take 14 minutes
  • Currently, Crewe and Wigan North Western takes 26 minutes and High Speed Two will take 38 minutes

I am surprised that sectional timings on this short section of the West Coast Main Line are slower than current timings. Digital signalling and the faster acceleration and deceleration of the new trains, are more likely to decrease times, than increase them.

London Euston And Preston After Phase 2a Of High Speed Two Opens

According to the Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two, these are the timings.

  • London Euston and Crewe – 56 minutes
  • London Euston and Warrington Bank Quay – One hour and 20 minutes
  • London Euston and Wigan North Western – One hour and 34 minutes
  • London Euston and Preston – One hour and 18 minutes

This graphic shows High Speed Two services.

Note that Preston gets two non-stop services to and from London and another with stops at Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western, and a train split/join at Crewe.

The one hour and 18 minutes surely applies to one or both of the non-stop services.

140 Mph Running Between Crewe And Preston

Consider.

  • London Euston and Crewe is 56 minutes
  • One hour and 18 minutes to Preston infers a time of 22 minutes between Crewe and Preston.
  • Crewe and Preston is 51 miles.

This implies an average speed of 139 mph.

As the West Coast Main Line was built for 140 mph, when digital signalling was installed, this would appear to be feasible, once the signalling is upgraded.

It may also mean, that faster times are possible in services to Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western.

Consider.

  • Crewe and Wigan North Western is 35.8 miles
  • High Speed Two will take 38 minutes
  • The average speed between Crewe and Wigan North Western will be just 56.5 mph.

But if it could run at 140 mph mph between Crewe and Wigan North Western, the base time would be just over 15 minutes.

To this time must be added two full station stops and the time it takes to split or join.

With the superior acceleration and deceleration of the High Speed Two trains and their level of automation, these operations will not take 23 minutes.

I believe that this means that minutes can be saved on services to Lancaster, Liverpool Lime Street, Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western.

London Euston And Wigan North Western After Phase 2b Of High Speed Two Opens

There will be no changes as the full-size High Speed Two trains are not planned to run to the North of Crewe.

See Also

Could High Speed Two Finish At Lichfield?

High Speed Two To Crewe

High Speed Two To Holyhead

High Speed Two Lancaster

High Speed Two To Liverpool

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September 23, 2023 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , | 8 Comments

More Government Details Emerge On How Fleetwood’s Rail Link Will Be Restored – Using Tram-Train Technology

The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the Blackpool Gazette.

This is the sub-heading.

New details have emerged about how the Government plans to restore the rail link between Fleetwood and Poulton using state-of-the-art tram-train technology.

These are points from the article, which mainly come from a letter to the local MP; Paul Maynard.

  • In a letter to Mr Maynard, Rail Minister Huw Merriman has set out for the first time how the Government intends to restore the rail link.
  • The Government is now looking at the finer details of a tram-train scheme and how the project can be funded.
  • Tram-trains will be used for the link.
  • The re-opened railway can be linked into the existing Blackpool to Fleetwood tramway, allowing services to run into the heart of Fleetwood.
  • Services would operate twice hourly from Preston station to Poulton-le-Fylde over the existing heavy rail network, before joining a new light rail link between Poulton-le-Fylde and the Denham Way roundabout on Amounderness Way, calling at up to three new intermediate stops.
  • From the roundabout, the services would continue on the existing Blackpool tram network towards Fleetwood town centre and Fleetwood ferry terminal.
  • The Government is committed to the project.

These are my detailed thoughts.

The Route

The Blackpool Gazette article describes the route like this.

Services would operate twice hourly from Preston station to Poulton-le-Fylde over the existing heavy rail network, before joining a new light rail link between Poulton-le-Fylde and the Denham Way roundabout on Amounderness Way, calling at up to three new intermediate stops.

From the roundabout, the services would continue on the existing Blackpool tram network towards Fleetwood town centre and Fleetwood ferry terminal.

This map from OpenRailwayMap shows the route.

Note.

  1. Poulton-le-Fylde station is marked by the blue arrow in the South-East corner of the map.
  2. The pink line running up the coast is the Blackpool tramway.
  3. The Blackpool tramway terminates at Fleetwood Ferry at the top of the map.

This second OpenRailwayMap shows Fleetwood Ferry tram terminus.

Note.

  1. As before, the Blackpool tramway tracks are shown in pink.
  2. There is a lifeboat station and a ferry to the other side.
  3. The tracks allow a tram to come from the South, go round the loop and return to the South.
  4. I believe that both the Blackpool tramway and the Fleetwood tram-train will both reverse direction in the same way.
  5. No new infrastructure would be needed at the Fleetwood Ferry terminal, except for perhaps a few signs.

This third OpenRailwayMap shows the track from Fleetwood Ferry to the Lindel Road tram stop.

Note.

  1. As before, the Blackpool tramway tracks are shown in pink.
  2. Fleetwood Ferry is in the North-East corner if the map.
  3. Lindel Road tram stop is marked by the blue arrow in the South-West corner if the map.

This fourth OpenRailwayMap shows the Lindel Road tram stop area at a larger scale.

Note.

  1. As before, the Blackpool tramway tracks are shown in pink.
  2. Lindel Road tram stop is marked by the blue arrow.
  3. Running parallel to and to the  East of the Blackpool tramway is Amounderness Way, which appears to have been built on the line of the railway to Fleetwood.
  4. Along the West side of Amounderness Way, a disused railway is indicated, which must be the closed railway to Fleetwood.

I believe that Network Rail or their engineers have found a route to connect the old branch line to the Blackpool tramway.

  • The railway connecting the Blackpool tramway and the closed railway to Fleetwood, would only need to be single-track.
  • There might be a convenient route, where all the land is owned by the Council.
  • If the tram-trains were to be was fitted batteries, then there would be no need to electrify the line.

I suspect, that the connection would be to the South of Lindel Road tram stop.

  • This would mean that the tram-train would serve a number of stops in the town centre.
  • The tram-train could use the catenary of the Blackpool tramway.
  • Connection and disconnection to the catenary could be done in the Lindel Road tram stop.

This Google Map shows the area of the Lindel Road tram stop and Denham Road.

Note.

  1. The Lindel Road tram stop in the North-West corner of the map, with the Blackpool tramway running NE-SW across the corner of the map.
  2. The roundabout and Amounderness Way on the East side of the map.
  3. Denham Way connecting the roundabout to Copse Road and the tram stop.
  4. On the fourth OpenRailwayMap  it showed the original line of the railway was to the West of Amounderness Way.

So could the spur between the Lindel Road tram stop and the railway to Poulton-le-Fylde station take the following route?

  • Just South of the tram stop the two tracks connect to a new single-track that goes East on the South side of Denham Way.
  • The turn would be quite sharp, but trams and tram-trains have the articulation of a snake and can use tight turns and narrow formations.
  • The crossing of Copse Road would be protected by traffic lights.

When the tram-train gets to the roundabout other end of Denham way, I think there are two choices.

  1. Turn sharp right and go South alongside the West side of Amounderness Way.
  2. Somehow cross Amounderness Way and go down the West side.

This Google Map Amounderness Way going South.

Note.

  1. Amounderness Way runs North-South down the map between two roundabouts.
  2. The large industrial area to the East of the road is labelled as SUEZ Recycling and Recovery.
  3. North-East of SUEZ is Fleetwood Marsh Nature Reserve.
  4. South-East of SUEZ is SUEZ Environmental Jameson Road Landfill and Lancashire County Council’s Fleetwood Household Waste Recycling Centre.
  5. There also seem to be a lot of large holiday caravans.
  6. There is a road running along the South-East of the large SUEZ site called Jameson Road.

The Wikipedia entry for the Fleetwood branch line, says this about the state of the branch.

Some of the line is now cleared of overgrowth because the northern track was not lifted from past Burn Naze Halt to just beyond Jameson Road Fleetwood. However, the road bridge was filled in below it. The junction, last used when goods trains took coal to Fleetwood Power Station, still exists. Looking over the road bridge on Jameson Road, the track to both north & south can still be seen through the undergrowth. In the 1990s, the new A585 The Amounderness Way bypass has been built on the former trackbed, although sufficient space still exists for a reinstated railway should it be required.

Note.

  1. It appears that enough space has been left at the Northern end to connect to the Blackpool tramway.
  2. It doesn’t seem to be in too bad a state.
  3. I suspect that rebuilding the branch has a similar degree of difficulty to rebuilding the Dartmoor Line to Okehampton, which is now operating successfully.

This gave me hope, that a single-track tramway could be built between Poulton-le-Fylde junction and the Lindel Road tram stop.

This Google Map shows the track meeting the filled in road bridge on Jameson Road.

Note.

  1. If that’s not a single-track railway and the filled-in bridge on Jameson Road, I’m a Dutchman.
  2. The railway can be followed on Google Maps for most of the way to Poulton-le-Fylde station.
  3. Google Maps also shows traces of railway to the North of the bridge on Jameson Road.

This Google Map shows the section of Amounderness Way from the North of the SUEZ Recycling and Recovery site to the Denham Way roundabout.

I suspect that the tram would go straight up the East side of ‘Amounderness Way.

But how would the tramway cross the road.

This Google Map shows Denham Way, the roundabout and Lindel Road tram stop.

I am fairly sure that a single-track bridge of some sort could connect Lindel Road tram stop with a single-track railway along the East side of Amounderness Way, to link up with the orphaned track South of Jameson Road.

This OpenRailwayMap  shows Poulton-le-Fylde junction, where the former railway to Fleetwood, joins the Blackpool branch.

Note.

  1. Poulton-le-Fylde station is indicated by the blue arrow.
  2. The orange track is the Blackpool branch to Blackpool North station.
  3. Poulton-le-Fylde junction is to the West of the station.
  4. The track going North from the junction, is the disused track to Fleetwood.
  5. The map also shows a couple of level crossings.

I am fairly certain, that a single-track tramway could be built between Poulton-le-Fylde junction and the Lindel Road tram stop.

This OpenRailwayMap  shows Poulton-le-Fylde junction and Poulton-le-Fylde station.

These pictures taken in 2018, show Poulton-le-Fylde station.

Note.

  1. It is a small station, that oozes quality.
  2. The tracks and electrification were all installed or renewed in the last few years.
  3. There is even a cafe and a lift to the street.
  4. The flower-beds in the middle of the platform, are at the Preston end of the station.
  5. As the tram-trains will stop in the station, they can raise and lower the pantograph in the station.
  6. Tram-trains and trains will share the appropriate platform.

The possibility can probably be arranged that an incoming train to Blackpool North will be able to drop passengers at a waiting tram-train for Fleetwood Ferry.

Will The New Fleetwood Branch Be Electrified?

There are various arguments for and against electrification between Poulton-le-Fylde station and the Lindel Road tram stop.

In favour, is that a continuous catenary can be run from end-to end, with 750 VDC electrification.

  • An insulated section would be used at Poulton-le-Fylde station to separate the 750 VDC of the tramway and the 25 KVAC of the Blackpool branch.
  • Standard tram-trains, like Sheffield’s Class 399 tram-trains could be used.
  • Battery-electric tram-trains are probably more expensive.

Against electrification are.

  • There would be no electrification between Poulton-le-Fylde station and the Lindel Road tram stop to install.
  • There would be no need for any modifications to the catenary at Poulton-le-Fylde station and the Lindel Road tram stop.
  • The filled in bridge mentioned in Wikipedia, might only need a tram-sized hole and not complete rebuilding to get the trams through.
  • Occasional freight trains could probably be run, if required.
  • Battery-electric tram-trains are proven technology.

It will definitely one for the accountants to decide.

The Tram-Trains

These are pictures of Stadler Citylink tram-trains in Sheffield.

Note.

  1. These Class 399 tram-trains were the first tram-trains to run in the UK, when they entered service in 2017.
  2. They were built by Stadler in Spain.
  3. They share the tracks in Sheffield happily with Sheffield’s other trams of a different type.
  4. At the time, Paul Maynard, who is the local MP, was the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, so I suspect that explains, why the MP appears pleased with the choice of tram-trains and talks knowledgeably about them.
  5. There is also a battery electric version of these tram-trains, which has been ordered by the South Wales Metro.
  6. Blackpool’s tramway uses Bombardier Flexity 2 trams. However, it doesn’t seem, that there is a tram-train version of the Flexity 2.
  7. Merseyrail in the Liverpool area, are introducing a large fleet of Stadler trains, which will be running to Preston in a couple of years.

I suspect that these tram-trains will be built by Stadler and they could be fitted with batteries.

Tram-Train Frequency Between  Fleetwood Ferry And Poulton-le-Fylde Station

The Blackpool Gazette article is definite, that the frequency of the tram-train will be two trains per hour (tph).

Consider.

  • The Blackpool tramway operates a service of trams every 10-15 minutes between Starr Gate and Fleetwood Ferry, so the frequency will be increased by two tph North of Lindel Road tram stop.
  • As heritage trams also share the route to Fleetwood, I suspect that at some busy times, the Fleetwood Ferry and Preston service could be reduced to hourly.
  • But it does look to me, that the all-important terminal at Fleetwood Ferry has been well-designed and can handle the extra traffic.
  • Looking at the timetable for the Blackpool tramway, trams take forty-one minutes between Fleetwood Ferry and the North Pier.
  • As Poulton-le-Fylde station and North Pier tram stop, are probably similar distances from Fleetwood Ferry,  I suspect that Poulton-le-Fylde station and Fleetwood Ferry would take thirty minutes or more.
  • Real Time Trains indicates that electric trains to Blackpool North station take around 16-17 minutes between Poulton-le-Fylde and Preston stations, with diesel trains taking a couple of minutes more.
  • Add in time for stops at Kirkham & Wesham, possibly another at Salwick and cleaning and crew changeover at Preston station, I suspect that a roundtrip from Preston to Fleetwood Ferry and back will take a very convenient two hours.

A two hour round trip and two tph, will mean four trains will be needed to work the timetable.

I can’t prove it, but I my gut feeling is that there there will be a passing loop somewhere between Poulton-le-Fylde station and the Lindel Road tram stop.

The passing loop would also give scope for operational flexibility.

Train Services Through Poulton-le-Fylde Station

Train services through Poulton-le-Fylde station are currently as follows.

  • Avanti West Coast – London Euston and Blackpool North – 1 train per day (tpd)
  • Northern – Liverpool Lime Street and Blackpool North – 1 tph
  • Northern – Manchester Airport and Blackpool North – 2 tph
  • Northern – York and Blackpool North – 1 tph

Note that all trains stop at Preston.

The Avanti West Coast service only calls Southbound, but I wouldn’t be surprised, if the Fleetwood tram-train is built, that Avanti West Coast started a Northbound service.

Could The Blackpool South Branch Be Served By Similar Tram-Trains?

In Beeching Reversal – South Fylde Line Passing Loop, I talked about improving the Blackpool South branch.

Objectives included.

  • Two tph.
  • Better trains.
  • A passing loop that would enable the 2 tph.

Note.

  1. Pacers have been replaced with Class 150 trains.
  2. The route is electrified between Preston and Kirkham & Wesham station.
  3. 12.2 miles are without electrification.

It certainly would seem possible that if a battery-electric tram-train had sufficient range, it could handle the current route to Blackpool South station.

The trams would have a ninety-minute round trip between Preston an Blackpool South stations and two tph, will mean three trains will be needed to work the timetable.

The MP is quoted in the Blackpool Gazette article, as liking the concept of a tram loop to Blackpool from Preston.

Trams might go to Fleetwood, down the promenade and then take the Blackpool South branch beck to Preston.

It could obviously go the other way around the loop.

This Google Map shows the location of Blackpool South station.

Note.

At the West side of the map is the promenade, with tramway running North and South.

At the East side of the map is Blackpool South station.

The walking route between the tramway and the station is not arduous, but it is not a seamless transfer.

It might be better to make the connection at Blackpool Pleasure Beach, which is shown in this Google Map.

Note.

  1. The Pleasure Beach lies between the tramway and the promenade by the beach and the Blackpool South branch on the East side.
  2. There are two stops on the tramway and a station just to the South.

Perhaps, if the Pleasure Beach were redeveloping an area, they might leave provision for tram-trains to  to sneak through to join the tramway going North.

But it’s a difficult problem, as there is not much space, that is undeveloped and the roads aren’t very wide.

This Google Map shows the North Pier and Blackpool North station.

Note.

  1. The North Pier is in the South-West corner of the map.
  2. Blackpool North station, which is Blackpool’s main station is in the North-East corner of the map.
  3. The tramway runs along the sea-front.

The North Pier and the station are linked by Talbot Road.

This Google Map shows Talbot Road and the development of a tram stop by Blackpool North station.

Note.

  1. To create the space a large Wilkinson’s store was demolished.
  2. Blaxkpool North station is just off the North-East corner of the map.
  3. The tram stop will have two platforms.
  4. There is a large diamond crossing on the approach to the tram stop, so operation is smooth and reliable.
  5. It looks like there will be substantial development around and possibly over the tram stop.

This Google Map shows Talbot Square, where the tram branch to Blackpool North station joins the main North-South tramway.

It is all very crowded and I believe  this illustrates, why despite their close proximity, there is no rail connection between the Blackpool South branch and the Blackpool tramway.

There just isn’t the space to put in junctions like this and the tramway doesn’t go past Blackpool Airport, so the connection would have to be amongst the crowded houses on the sea front.

The Development Of Blackpool Airport

Aviation is changing and I believe a new breed of airliners and the airports to serve them, will be developed in the next few years.

  • Zero-carbon aircraft are being developed and I believe some will have entered service by 2026.
  • They will be powered directly by batteries or from green hydrogen.
  • Some like the Eviation Alice are already entering a flight-test program, that will lead to certification.
  • These airliners are likely to be smaller and quieter than current airliners, with typically a passenger capacity of around 19 passengers.
  • They will often fly routes between smaller regional airports.

Blackpool Airport could be an ideal airport for these airliners.

  • Offshore electricity and even hydrogen generated offshore will be easy to deliver to Blackpool Airport.
  • It could have excellent transport connections with trams and trains.
  • Blackpool Airport has good runways.
  • Many take-offs will be over the sea.
  • We will see airports converting to zero-carbon airports.

So why not Blackpool Airport?

These are distances between Blackpool Airport and other airports.

  • Aberdeen – 238 miles
  • Amsterdam Schipol – 340 miles
  • Belfast City – 128 miles
  • Cardiff – 165 miles
  • Dublin – 134 miles
  • Edinburgh – 150 miles
  • Exeter – 211 miles
  • Geneva – 661 miles
  • Glasgow – 155 miles
  • Haverfordwest – 157 miles
  • Jersey – 318 miles
  • Kirkwall – 358 miles
  • London Gatwick – 220 miles
  • London Heathrow – 192 miles
  • London Southend – 219 miles
  • Newcastle – 89 miles
  • Paris Orly – 422 miles
  • Isle of Man Ronaldsway – 68 miles
  • Shannon – 254 miles
  • Southampton – 208 miles
  • Sumburgh – 427 miles

These distances fit nicely with the range of the nine-seater Eviation Alice electric aircraft, which is predicted to be 620 miles.

This Google Map shows Blackpool Airport.

Note.

  1. The East-West main runway, which is over 1,800 metres long, which will probably mean an easier takeoff into the wind, for much of the time.
  2. The acres of space.
  3. The Blackpool South branch running down the side of the airport, with Squires Gate station on the road past the Airport.
  4. But zoom in on the airport and some improvement and refurbishment needs to be done. Years of neglect and uncertainty has taken its toll.

This Google Map shows the North-West corner of the map at a greater scale.

Note.

  1. In the North-West corner of the map is Blackpool tramway’s depot and Starr Gate tram stop with its loop.
  2. The rail station is Squires Gate for Blackpool Airport.
  3. The smart green space to the East of the railway is Blackpool FC’s training ground.
  4. Below the training ground on the East side is Blackpool Airport.
  5. On the other side of the track from the Airport, it appears to be the local rubbish dump.

I wonder, if this is where the Blackpool tramway and the Blackpool South branch could be joined up.

  1. A joint two-platform station partly on Airport land would replace the current Squires Gate station.
  2. It could be connected to the Airport terminal by some form of shuttle or travellator.
  3. The trams would be connected to the Starr Gate loop by a line going along the front, as the tramway does in much of Blackpool, before cutting through the waste ground.
  4. Trains to Blackpool South station would use their current route.

This plan and probably lots of others could allow a Blackpool loop tram-train from Preston.

What would a zero-carbon airport do for Blackpool?

 

 

 

 

July 22, 2023 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 4 Comments

Proposed High-Speed Two Services Are Not Complete

This diagram shows High Speed Two services.

Note.

  1. Trains to the left of the vertical black line are Phase 1 and those to the right are Phase 2.
  2. Full-Size trains are shown in blue.
  3. Classic-Compatible trains are shown in yellow.
  4. The dotted circles are where trains split and join.
  5. In the red boxes routes alternate every hour.

Click on the diagram to enlarge it.

Are The Services Incomplete Or Has Someone Left Something Out?

Look at trains 4, 5 and 6.

  • Train 4 is a pair of Classic-Compatible trains, which split at Crewe, with one going to Liverpool Lime Street and the other to Lancaster.
  • Train 5 is a single Classic-Compatible train, that goes to Liverpool Lime Street.
  • Train 6 is a single Classic-Compatible train, that goes to Macclesfield.

As an example, Train 5 could be a pair of Classic-Compatible trains, which split at Crewe, with one going to Liverpool Lime Street and the other to Chester, Llandudno, Bangor and Holyhead. I actually believe that this would be a way of creating a low-carbon route to Dublin, with a zero-carbon high-speed ferry from Holyhead.

What to do with Train 6 is more difficult.

  • Stafford and Stoke need to be served by High Speed Two.
  • Stafford, Stoke and Macclesfield are not stations with long platforms, so may not be suitable places to split a pair of Classic-Compatible trains.
  • Places North of Macclesfield to terminate trains are not numerous and probably only Manchester and Huddersfield may be suitable.

The alternative might be to split a pair of Classic-Compatible trains forming Train 6 at Birmingham Interchange, one going to Stafford, Stoke and Macclesfield and the other going to Blackburn, Blackpool, Crewe, Lancaster, Liverpool or Preston

 

February 18, 2023 Posted by | Transport/Travel | , , , , , , , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Could Class 777 Trains Create A Metro Centred On Preston?

Preston station is a major station on the West Coast Main Line, that will be served by High Speed Two.

  • Electric long distance services to and from Birmingham, Carlisle, Liverpool, London Euston, Manchester, Edinburgh and Glasgow serve the station.
  • Electric and diesel local services fan out from the station to Barrow-in-Furness, Blackburn, Blackpool, Burnley, Colne, Liverpool, Manchester and Ormskirk.
  • Other local services could be developed.

Could the local services be turned into a zero-carbon Metro centred on Preston station, that would possibly use a version of Merseyrail’s Class 777 trains?

The Routes

These routes could be part of the Metro.

Preston And Barrow-in-Furness

Consider.

  • This route is 55.8 miles long.
  • The service calls at Lancaster, Carnforth, Silverdale, Arnside, Grange-over-Sands, Kents Bank, Cark, Ulverston, Dalton and Roose
  • The route is electrified between Preston and Carnforth.
  • 28.1 miles of the route are without electrification.

Northern use Class 195 diesel trains on this route.

Preston And Blackpool North

Consider.

  • This route is 17.5 miles long.
  • The service calls at Kirkham & Wesham, Poulton-le-Fylde and Layton
  • The route is fully-electrified.

Northern use Class 195, 319 and 331 trains on this route.

Preston And Blackpool South

Consider.

  • This route is 19.9 miles long.
  • The service calls at Salwick, Kirkham & Wesham, Moss Side, Lytham, Ansdell & Fairhaven, St Annes-on-the-Sea, Squires Gate and Blackpool Pleasure Beach
  • The route is electrified between Preston and Kirkham & Wesham
  • 12.1 miles of the route are without electrification.

Northern use diesel trains on this route.

Preston And Colne

Consider.

  • This route is 29.1 miles long.
  • The service calls at Lostock Hall, Bamber Bridge, Pleasington, Cherry Tree, Mill Hill, Blackburn, Rishton, Church & Oswaldtwistle, Accrington, Huncoat, Hapton, Rose Grove, Burnley Barracks, Burnley Central, Brierfield and Nelson.
  • Colne is 165 metres above sea level.
  • The route is not electrified.

Northern use diesel trains on this route.

This route could also be extended to Skipton in Yorkshire, which is something that was promised by Government a few years ago.

The extension to Skipton could be another 15 miles.

Preston And Fleetwood

Consider.

  • This route is 20.9 miles long.
  • The service could call at Salwick, Kirkham & Wesham and Poulton-le-Fylde
  • The route is electrified between Preston and Poulton-le-Fylde
  • This route would need to be reinstated.

6.6 miles of the route are without electrification.

Preston And Liverpool Lime Street via St. Helens

Consider.

  • This route is 35.2 miles long.
  • The service calls at Huyton, St Helens Central, Wigan North Western, Euxton Balshaw Lane and Leyland
  • The route is fully-electrified.

Northern use Class 319 and 331 trains on this route.

Preston And Manchester Airport

Consider.

  • This route is 35.2 miles long.
  • The service calls at Heald Green, Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Deansgate, Salford Crescent, Bolton, Lostock, Horwich Parkway, Blackrod, Adlington (1tph), Chorley, Buckshaw Parkway and Leyland
  • The route is fully-electrified.

Northern use Class 195 and 331 trains on this route.

Preston And Ormskirk

Consider.

  • This route is 15.3 miles long.
  • The service calls at Burscough Junction, Rufford and Croston.
  • The route is not electrified.

Merseyrail have their eyes on this route.

Preston And Windermere

Consider.

  • This route is 50.3 miles long.
  • The service calls at Lancaster, Carnforth, Oxenholme Lake District, Kendal, Burneside and Staveley
  • The route is electrified between Preston and Oxenholme Lake District.
  • 10.2 miles of the route are without electrification.

Northern use Class 195 diesel trains on this route.

Class 777 Trains

Consider.

  • According to Stadler’s specification for the Class 777 IPEMU, the battery-equipped Class 777 trains have a range of 55 km or 34.2 miles.
  • But, according to New Merseyrail Train Runs 135km On Battery, these trains have done 135 km or 83.9 miles.
  • As there is no third-rail electrification at Preston, but lots of 25 KVAC overhead electrification, the version of the Class 777 train for 25 KVAC overhead will need to be used.
  • There is no way that any third-rail electrification can be installed.

One comment to my post; The Stadler Data Sheet For A Class 777 IPEMU, suggests that batteries can’t be used with the 25 KVAC variant of the Class 777 due to lack of space.

I will use a starting point for the Class 777 IPEMU, that can access 25 KVAC has a range of 40 miles, which is just under half of the demonstrated maximum range of the current trains.

Class 331 Trains With Batteries

CAF have proposed a battery-electric version of their Class 331 train.

The closely-related Class 195 diesel trains and Class 331 trains already work some of the routes through Preston.

In Thoughts On CAF’s Battery-Electric Class 331 Trains, I estimated the range of these trains and reckoned that they would be between 35 and 70 miles.

The South Wales Valley Lines Solution

In The Greening Of The Valleys, I describe how the South Wales Metro will use a mix of trains.

  • Stadler Citylink tram-trains for local routes.
  • Stadler FLIRTs for routes on the main lines.

So could a Metro centred on Preston be based on the same principle?

I’ll look at each line in order.

Preston And Barrow-in-Furness

Consider.

  • This route is 55.8 miles long.
  • 28.1 miles of the route are without electrification.
  • Northern use Class 195 diesel trains on this route.

A Class 331 with a battery range of sixty miles could work this route, charging the batteries between Preston and Carnforth.

Preston And Blackpool North

Any train that could use 25 KVAC electrification could use this route.

Preston And Blackpool South

Consider.

  • This route is 19.9 miles long.
  • 12.1 miles of the route are without electrification.
  • Northern use diesel trains on this route.

A Class 777 with a battery range of 24.2 miles could work this route, charging the batteries between Preston and Kirkham & Wesham.

Preston And Colne

Consider.

  • This route is 29.1 miles long.
  • Colne is 165 metres above sea level.
  • The route is not electrified.
  • Northern use diesel trains on this route.

A Class 777 with a battery range of 30 miles could work this route, charging the batteries at Preston and Colne.

It might be prudent to electrify the single track line between Gannow Junction and Colne, so that trains have enough power to climb the hill to Colne and reach Colne with a full battery.

The extension to Skipton would require a range of 30 miles or just fifteen miles, if the 25 KVAC at Skipton was used to recharge the trains.

Preston And Fleetwood

Consider.

  • This route is 20.9 miles long.
  • 6.6 miles of the route are without electrification.

A Class 777 with a battery range of 13.2 miles could work this route, charging the batteries between Preston and Poulton-le-Fylde.

Preston And Liverpool Lime Street via St. Helens

Any train that could use 25 KVAC electrification could use this route.

Preston And Manchester Airport

Any train that could use 25 KVAC electrification could use this route.

Preston And Ormskirk

Consider.

  • This route is 15.3 miles long.
  • The route is not electrified.

A Class 777 with a battery range of 30.6 miles could work this route.

Trains would charge on their home network.

Preston And Windermere

Consider.

  • This route is 50.3 miles long.
  • 10.2 miles of the route are without electrification.
  • Northern use Class 195 diesel trains on this route.

A Class 331 with a battery range of 20.4 miles could work this route, charging the batteries between Preston and Oxenholme Lake District.

Electrification Between Preston and Skipton Via Colne

Earlier when discussing the service to Colne and Slopton, I said this.

It might be prudent to electrify the single track line between Gannow Junction and Colne.

But surely, as this would mean, that virtually the whole route between The West Coast Main Line at Preston and the East Coast Main Line would be electrified, it would be sensible to electrify between Preston and Gannow Junction.

If this electrification were to be made continuous, this would mean the following.

  • There would be a fully-electrified line between Blackpool and Leeds, which could be worked by Class 331 trains.
  • There could be a valuable diversion route to help, whilst the main transPennine routes were upgraded.
  • Class 777 trains with batteries would only be needed on the Blackpool South and Fleetwood routes from Preston.

The battery range needed would be just 24.2 miles to handle the longer Blackpool South route.

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