High-Speed Low-Carbon Transport Between Great Britain And Ireland
Consider.
- According to Statista, there were 13,160,000 passengers between the United Kingdom and the Irish Republic in 2019.
- In 2019, Dublin Airport handled 32,907,673 passengers.
- The six busiest routes from Dublin were Heathrow, Stansted, Amsterdam, Manchester, Birmingham and Stansted.
- In 2018, Belfast International Airport handled 6,269,025 passengers.
- The four busiest routes from Belfast International Airport were Stansted, Gatwick. Liverpool and Manchester, with the busiest route to Europe to Alicante.
- In 2018, Belfast City Airport handled 2,445,529 passengers.
- The four busiest routes from Belfast City Airport were Heathrow, Manchester, Birmingham and London City.
Note.
- The busiest routes at each airport are shown in descending order.
- There is a lot of air passengers between the two islands.
- Much of the traffic is geared towards London’s four main airports.
- Manchester and Liverpool get their fair share.
Decarbonisation of the air routes between the two islands will not be a trivial operation.
But technology is on the side of decarbonisation.
Class 805 Trains
Avanti West Coast have ordered thirteen bi-mode Class 805 trains, which will replace the diesel Class 221 trains currently working between London Euston and Holyhead.
- They will run at 125 mph between Euston and Crewe using electric power.
- If full in-cab digital signalling were to be installed on the electrified portion of the route, they may be able to run at 140 mph in places under the wires.
- They will use diesel power on the North Wales Coast Line to reach Holyhead.
- According to an article in Modern Railways, the Class 805 trains could be fitted with batteries.
I wouldn’t be surprised that when they are delivered, they are a version of the Hitachi’s Intercity Tri-Mode Battery Train, the specification of which is shown in this Hitachi infographic.
Note.
- I suspect that the batteries will be used to handle regenerative braking on lines without electrification, which will save diesel fuel and carbon emissions.
- The trains accelerate faster, than those they replace.
- The claimed fuel and carbon saving is twenty percent.
It is intended that these trains will be introduced next year.
I believe that, these trains will speed up services between London Euston and Holyhead.
- Currently, services take just over three-and-a-half hours.
- There should be time savings on the electrification between London Euston and Crewe.
- The operating speed on the North Wales Coast Line is 90 mph. This might be increased in sections.
- Some extra electrification could be added, between say Crewe and Chester and possibly through Llandudno Junction.
- I estimate that on the full journey, the trains could reduce emissions by up to sixty percent compared to the current diesel trains.
I think that a time of three hours could be achievable with the Class 805 trains.
New trains and a three hour journey time should attract more passengers to the route.
Holyhead
In Holyhead Hydrogen Hub Planned For Wales, I wrote about how the Port of Holyhead was becoming a hydrogen hub, in common with several other ports around the UK including Felixstowe, Harwich, Liverpool and Portsmouth.
Holyhead and the others could host zero-carbon hydrogen-powered ferries.
But this extract from the Wikipedia hints at work needed to be done to create a fast interchange between trains and ferries.
There is access to the port via a building shared with Holyhead railway station, which is served by the North Wales Coast Line to Chester and London Euston. The walk between trains and ferry check in is less than two minutes, but longer from the remote platform 1, used by Avanti West Coast services.
This Google Map shows the Port of Holyhead.
I think there is a lot of potential to create an excellent interchange.
HSC Francisco
I am using the high-speed craft Francisco as an example of the way these ships are progressing.
- Power comes from two gas-turbine engines, that run on liquified natural gas.
- It can carry 1024 passengers and 150 cars.
- It has a top speed of 58 knots or 67 mph. Not bad for a ship with a tonnage of over 7000.
This ship is in service between Buenos Aires and Montevideo.
Note.
- A craft like this could be designed to run on zero-carbon liquid hydrogen or liquid ammonia.
- A high speed craft already runs between Dublin and Holyhead taking one hour and forty-nine minutes for the sixty-seven miles.
Other routes for a specially designed high speed craft might be.
- Barrow and Belfast – 113 miles
- Heysham and Belfast – 127 miles
- Holyhead and Belfast – 103 miles
- Liverpool and Belfast – 145 miles
- Stranraer and Larne – 31 miles
Belfast looks a bit far from England, but Holyhead and Belfast could be a possibility.
London And Dublin Via Holyhead
I believe this route is definitely a possibility.
- In a few years, with a few improvements on the route, I suspect that London Euston and Holyhead could be fairly close to three hours.
- With faster bi-mode trains, Manchester Airport and Holyhead would be under three hours.
- I would estimate, that a high speed craft built for the route could be under two hours between Holyhead and Dublin.
It certainly looks like London Euston and Dublin and Manchester Airport and Dublin would be under five hours.
In A Glimpse Of 2035, I imagined what it would be like to be on the first train between London and Dublin via the proposed fixed link between Scotland and Northern Ireland.
- I felt that five-and-a-half hours was achievable for that journey.
- The journey would have used High Speed Two to Wigan North Western.
- I also stated that with improvements, London and Belfast could be three hours and Dublin would be an hour more.
So five hours between London Euston and Dublin using current technology without massive improvements and new lines could be small change well spent.
London And Belfast Via Holyhead
At 103 miles the ferry leg may be too long for even the fastest of the high speed craft, but if say the craft could do Holyhead and Belfast in two-and-a-half hours, it might just be a viable route.
- It might also be possible to run the ferries to a harbour like Warrenpoint, which would be eighty-six miles.
- An estimate based on the current high speed craft to Dublin, indicates a time of around two hours and twenty minutes.
It could be viable, if there was a fast connection between Warrenpoint and Belfast.
Conclusion
Once the new trains are running between London Euston and Holyhead, I would expect that an Irish entrepreneur will be looking to develop a fast train and ferry service between England and Wales, and the island of Ireland.
It could be sold, as the Greenest Way To Ireland.
Class 807 Trains
Avanti West Coast have ordered ten electric Class 807 trains, which will replace some of the diesel Class 221 trains.
- They will run at 125 mph between Euston and Liverpool on the fully-electrified route.
- If full in-cab digital signalling were to be installed on the route, they may be able to run at 140 mph in places.
- These trains appear to be the first of the second generation of Hitachi trains and they seem to be built for speed and a sparking performance,
- These trains will run at a frequency of two trains per hour (tph) between London and Liverpool Lime Street.
- Alternate trains will stop at Liverpool South Parkway station.
In Will Avanti West Coast’s New Trains Be Able To Achieve London Euston and Liverpool Lime Street In Two Hours?, I came to the conclusion, that a two-hour journey time was possible, when the new Class 807 trains have entered service.
London And Belfast Via Liverpool And A Ferry
Consider.
- An hour on the train to and from London will be saved compared to Holyhead.
- The ferry terminal is in Birkenhead on the other side of the Mersey and change between Lime Street station and the ferry could take much longer than at Holyhead.
- Birkenhead and Belfast is twice the distance of Holyhead and Dublin, so even a high speed craft would take three hours.
This Google Map shows the Ferry Terminal and the Birkenhead waterfront.
Note.
- The Ferry Terminal is indicated by the red arrow at the top of the map.
- There are rows of trucks waiting for the ferries.
- In the South East corner of the map, the terminal of the Mersey Ferry sticks out into the River
- Hamilton Square station is in-line with the Mersey Ferry at the bottom of the map and indicated with the usual red symbol.
- There is a courtesy bus from Hamilton Square station to the Ferry Terminal for Ireland.
There is a fourteen tph service between Hamilton Square and Liverpool Lime Street station.
This route may be possible, but the interchange could be slow and the ferry leg is challenging.
I don’t think the route would be viable unless a much faster ferry is developed. Does the military have some high speed craft under development?
Conclusion
London and Belfast via Liverpool and a ferry is probably a trip for enthusiasts or those needing to spend a day in Liverpool en route.
Other Ferry Routes
There are other ferry routes.
Heysham And Barrow-in-Furness
,These two ports might be possible, but neither has a good rail connection to London and the South of England.
They are both rail connected, but not to the standard of the connections at Holyhead and Liverpool.
Cairnryan
The Cairnryan route could probably be improved to be an excellent low-carbon route to Glasgow and Central Scotland.
Low-Carbon Flight Between The Islands Of Great Britain And Ireland
I think we’ll gradually see a progression to zero-carbon flight over the next few years.
Sustainable Aviation Fuel
Obviously zero-carbon would be better, but until zero-carbon aircraft are developed, there is always sustainable aviation fuel.
This can be produced from various carbon sources like biowaste or even household rubbish and disposable nappies.
British Airways are involved in a project called Altalto.
- Altalto are building a plant at Immingham to turn household rubbish into sustainable aviation fuel.
- This fuel can be used in jet airliners with very little modification of the aircraft.
I wrote about Altalto in Grant Shapps Announcement On Friday.
Smaller Low-Carbon Airliners
The first low- and zero-carbon airliners to be developed will be smaller with less range, than Boeing 737s and Airbus A 320s. These three are examples of four under development.
- Aura Aero Era – 19 passengers – 500 miles
- Eviation Alice – 9 passengers – 620 miles
- Faradair Aerospace BEHA – 19 passengers – 1150 miles
- Heart Aerospace ES-19 – 19 passengers – 400 km.
I feel that a nineteen seater aircraft with a range of 500 miles will be the first specially designed low- or zero-carbon airliner to be developed.
I believe these aircraft will offer advantages.
- Some routes will only need refuelling at one end.
- Lower noise and pollution.
- Some will have the ability to work from short runways.
- Some will be hybrid electric running on sustainable aviation fuel.
They may enable passenger services to some smaller airports.
Air Routes Between The Islands Of Great Britain And Ireland
These are distances from Belfast City Airport.
- Aberdeen – 228 miles
- Amsterdam – 557 miles
- Birmingham – 226 miles
- Blackpool – 128 miles
- Cardiff – 246 miles
- Edinburgh – 135 miles
- Gatwick – 337 miles
- Glasgow – 103 miles
- Heathrow – 312 miles
- Jersey – 406 miles
- Kirkwall – 320 miles
- Leeds – 177 miles
- Liverpool – 151 miles
- London City – 326 miles
- Manchester – 170 miles
- Newcastle – 168 miles
- Southampton – 315 miles
- Southend – 344 miles
- Stansted – 292 miles
- Sumburgh – 401 miles
Note.
- Some airports on this list do not currently have flights from Belfast City Airport.
- I have included Amsterdam for comparison.
- Distances to Belfast International Airport, which is a few miles to the West of Belfast City Airport are within a few miles of these distances.
It would appear that much of Great Britain is within 500 miles of Belfast City Airport.
These are distances from Dublin Airport.
- Aberdeen – 305 miles
- Amsterdam – 465 miles
- Birmingham – 199 miles
- Blackpool – 133 miles
- Cardiff – 185 miles
- Edinburgh – 208 miles
- Gatwick – 300 miles
- Heathrow – 278 miles
- Jersey – 339 miles
- Kirkwall – 402 miles
- Leeds – 190 miles
- Liverpool – 140 miles
- London City – 296 miles
- Manchester – 163 miles
- Newcastle – 214 miles
- Southampton – 268 miles
- Southend – 319 miles
- Stansted – 315 miles
- Sumburgh – 483 miles
Note.
- Some airports on this list do not currently have flights from Dublin Airport.
- I have included Amsterdam for comparison.
It would appear that much of Great Britain is within 500 miles of Dublin Airport.
I will add a few long routes, that someone might want to fly.
- Cork and Aberdeen – 447 miles
- Derry and Manston – 435 miles
- Manston and Glasgow – 392 miles
- Newquay and Aberdeen – 480 miles
- Norwich and Stornaway – 486 miles.
I doubt there are many possible air services in the UK and Ireland that are longer than 500 miles.
I have a few general thoughts about low- and zero-carbon air services in and around the islands of Great Britain and Ireland.
- The likely five hundred mile range of the first generation of low- and zero-carbon airliners fits the size of the these islands well.
- These aircraft seem to have a cruising speed of between 200 and 250 mph, so flight times will not be unduly long.
- Airports would need to have extra facilities to refuel or recharge these airliners.
- Because of their size, there will need to be more flights on busy routes.
- Routes which are less heavily used may well be developed, as low- or zero-carbon could be good for marketing the route.
I suspect they could be ideal for the development of new routes and even new eco-friendly airports.
Conclusion
I have come to the conclusion, that smaller low- or zero-carbon are a good fit for the islands of Great Britain and Ireland.
But then Flybe and Loganair have shown that you can make money flying smaller planes around these islands with the right planes, airports, strategy and management.
Hydrogen-Powered Planes From Airbus
Hydrogen-powered zero-carbon aircraft could be the future and Airbus have put down a marker as to the way they are thinking.
Airbus have proposed three different ZEROe designs, which are shown in this infographic.
The turboprop and the turbofan will be the type of designs, that could be used around Great Britain and Ireland.
The ZEROe Turboprop
This is Airbus’s summary of the design for the ZEROe Turboprop.
Two hybrid hydrogen turboprop engines, which drive the six bladed propellers, provide thrust. The liquid hydrogen storage and distribution system is located behind the rear pressure bulkhead.
This screen capture taken from the video, shows the plane.
It certainly is a layout that has been used successfully, by many conventionally-powered aircraft in the past. The De Havilland Canada Dash 8 and ATR 72 are still in production.
I don’t think the turboprop engines, that run on hydrogen will be a problem.
If you look at the Lockheed-Martin C 130J Super Hercules, you will see it is powered by four Rolls-Royce AE 2100D3 turboprop engines, that drive 6-bladed Dowty R391 composite constant-speed fully-feathering reversible-pitch propellers.
These Rolls-Royce engines are a development of an Allison design, but they also form the heart of Rolls-Royce’s 2.5 MW Generator, that I wrote about in Our Sustainability Journey. The generator was developed for use in Airbus’s electric flight research program.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find the following.
- , The propulsion system for this aircraft is under test with hydrogen at Derby and Toulouse.
- Dowty are testing propellers suitable for the aircraft.
- Serious research is ongoing to store enough liquid hydrogen in a small tank that fits the design.
Why develop something new, when Rolls-Royce, Dowty and Lockheed have done all the basic design and testing?
This screen capture taken from the video, shows the front view of the plane.
From clues in the picture, I estimate that the fuselage diameter is around four metres. Which is not surprising, as the Airbus A320 has a height of 4.14 metres and a with of 3.95 metres. But it’s certainly larger than the fuselage of an ATR-72.
So is the ZEROe Turboprop based on a shortened Airbus A 320 fuselage?
- The ATR 72 has a capacity of 70 passengers.
- The ZEROe Turboprop has a capacity of less than a hundred passengers.
- An Airbus A320 has six-abreast seating.
- Could the ZEROe Turboprop have sixteen rows of seats, as there are sixteen windows in front of the wing?
- With the seat pitch of an Airbus A 320, which is 81 centimetres, this means just under thirteen metres for the passengers.
- There could be space for a sizeable hydrogen tank in the rear part of the fuselage.
- The plane might even be able to use the latest A 320 cockpit.
It looks to me, that Airbus have designed a larger ATR 72 based on an A 320 fuselage.
I don’t feel there are any great technical challenges in building this aircraft.
- The engines appear to be conventional and could even have been more-or-less fully developed.
- The fuselage could be a development of an existing design.
- The wings and tail-plane are not large and given the company’s experience with large composite structures, they shouldn’t be too challenging.
- The hydrogen storage and distributing system will have to be designed, but as hydrogen is being used in increasing numbers of applications, I doubt the expertise will be difficult to find.
- The avionics and other important systems could probably be borrowed from other Airbus products.
Given that the much larger and more complicated Airbus A380 was launched in 2000 and first flew in 2005, I think that a prototype of this aircraft could fly around the middle of this decade.
It may seem small at less than a hundred seats, but it does have a range of greater than a 1000 nautical miles or 1150 miles.
Consider.
- It compares closely in passenger capacity, speed and range, with the De Havilland Canada Dash 8/400 and the ATR 72/600.
- The ATR 72 is part-produced by Airbus.
- The aircraft is forty percent slower than an Airbus A 320.
- It looks like it could be designed to have a Short-Takeoff-And Landing (STOL) capability.
I can see the aircraft replacing Dash 8s, ATR 72s and similar aircraft all over the world. There are between 2000 and 3000 operational airliners in this segment.
The ZEROe Turbofan
This is Airbus’s summary of the design.
Two hybrid hydrogen turbofan engines provide thrust. The liquid hydrogen storage and distribution system is located behind the rear pressure bulkhead.
This screen capture taken from the video, shows the plane.
This screen capture taken from the video, shows the front view of the plane.
The aircraft doesn’t look very different different to an Airbus A320 and appears to be fairly conventional. It does appear to have the characteristic tall winglets of the A 320 neo.
I don’t think the turbofan engines, that run on hydrogen will be a problem.
These could be standard turbofan engines modified to run on hydrogen, fuelled from a liquid hydrogen tank behind the rear pressure bulkhead of the fuselage.
If you want to learn more about gas turbine engines and hydrogen, read this article on the General Electric web site, which is entitled The Hydrogen Generation: These Gas Turbines Can Run On The Most Abundant Element In the Universe,
These are my thoughts of the marketing objectives of the ZEROe Turbofan.
- The cruising speed and the number of passengers are surprisingly close, so has this aircraft been designed as an A 320 or Boeing 737 replacement?
- I suspect too, that it has been designed to be used at any airport, that could handle an Airbus A 320 or Boeing 737.
- It would be able to fly point-to-point flights between most pairs of European or North American cities.
It would certainly fit the zero-carbon shorter range airliner market!
In fact it would more than fit the market, it would define it!
I very much believe that Airbus’s proposed zero-carbon hydrogen-powered designs and others like them will start to define aviation on routes of up to perhaps 3000 miles, from perhaps 2035.
- The A 320 neo was launched in December 2010 and entered service in January 2016. That was just five years and a month.
- I suspect that a lot of components like the fuselage sections, cockpit, avionics, wings, landing gear, tailplane and cabin interior could be the same in a A 320 neo and a ZEROe Turbofan.
- Flying surfaces and aerodynamics could be very similar in an A 320 neo and a ZEROe Turbofan
- There could even be commonality between the ZEROe Turboprop and the ZEROe Turbofan, with respect to fuselage sections, cockpit, avionics and cabin interior.
There also must be the possibility, that if a ZEROe Turbofan is a hydrogen-powered A 320 neo, that this would enable the certification process to be simplified.
It might even be possible to remanufacture a A 320 neo into a ZEROe Turbofan. This would surely open up all sorts of marketing strategies.
My project management, flying and engineering knowledge says that if they launched the ZEROe Turbofan this year, it could be in service by the end of the decade on selected routes.
Conclusion
Both the ZEROe Turboprop and ZEROe Turbofan are genuine zero-carbon aircraft, which fit into two well-defined market segments.
I believe that these two aircraft and others like them from perhaps Boeing and Bombardier could be the future of aviation between say 500 and 3000 miles.
With the exception of the provision of hydrogen refuelling at airports, there will be no need for any airport infrastructure.
I also wouldn’t be surprised that the thinking Airbus appear to have applied to creating the ZEROe Turbofan from the successful A 320 neo, could be applied to perhaps create a hydrogen-powered A 350.
I feel that Airbus haven’t fulling disclosed their thinking. But then no company would, when it reinvents itself.
T also think that short-haul air routes will increasing come under pressure.
The green lobby would like airlines to decarbonise.
Governments will legislate that airlines must decarbonise.
The rail industry will increasingly look to attract customers away from the airlines, by providing more competitive times and emphasising their green credentials.
Aircraft manufacturers will come under pressure to deliver zero-carbon airliners as soon as they can.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a prototype ZEROe Turbofan or Boeing’s equivalent fly as early as 2024.
Short Term Solutions
As I said earlier, one solution is to use existing aircraft with Sustainable Aviation Fuel.
But many believe this is greenwash and rather a cop out.
So we must do better!
I don’t believe that the smaller zero- and low-carbon aircraft with a range of up to 500 miles and a capacity of around 19 seats, will be able to handle all the passengers needing to fly between and around the islands of Great Britain and Ireland.
- A Boeing 737 or Airbus A 320 has a capacity of around two hundred passengers, which would require ten times the number of flights, aircraft and pilots.
- Airports would need expansion on the airside and the terminals to handle the extra planes.
- Air Traffic Control would need to be expanded to handle the extra planes.
But the smaller planes would be ideal for the thinner secondary routes.
So I tend to think, that the greens will have to lump it, as Sustainable Aviation Fuel will increasingly be the only viable solution.
This will increase the need for Airbus or Boeing to develop a viable A 320 or 737-sized aircraft as soon as possible.
Air Bridges
I said earlier, that I believe using ferries between Ireland and Holyhead and new bi-mode Class 805 trains between London Euston and Holyhead could be a competitor to airlines.
- The ferries would be high speed craft capable of Holyhead and Ireland in around 90-100 minutes.
- The ferries would be zero-carbon.
- The trains would have a sixty percent reduction in carbon emissions compared to current trains on the route.
If we can skim across the water in a zero-carbon high speed craft, are there any reasons we can’t cross the water in a low- or zero-carbon aircraft.
In the next few sub-sections, I’ll suggest a few air bridges.
Glasgow
Glasgow Airport could be an ideal airport for a low or zero-carbon air bridge to Northern Ireland.
- A rail link could eventually be built.
- There is a reasonable amount of traffic.
- The distance to Belfast City Airport is only 103 miles.
As the airport serves islands and other places that could be ideal low- and zero-carbon routes, I could see Glasgow becoming a hub for battery and hydrogen-powered aircraft.
Heathrow
Heathrow must prepare itself for an uncertain future.
It will be some years before a third runway is both needed and will have been constructed.
I believe the following will happen.
- Smaller up to nineteen seat low- or zero-carbon airliners will be in service by 2025.
- From around 2024, Heathrow will get requests to refuel or charge low- or zero-carbon airliners.
- Low- or-zero- carbon A 320-size airliners will be in service by 2030.
- Most ground equipment at Heathrow like tugs and fuel bowsers will be zero-carbon.
If I were Boris or Prime Minister, I would say that Heathrow could have its third runway with the following conditions.
- All aircraft using the third runway must be zero-carbon
- All air-side vehicles must be zero-carbon.
- All vehicles bringing passengers on the last mile to the airport must be zero-carbon.
- All aircraft using the airport that are not zero-carbon must use sustainable aviation fuel.
I suspect that the conditions would be met by a large margin.
When an airport knows it is effectively going to be closed, it will make sure it survives.
Liverpool
Liverpool Airport could be an ideal airport for a low or zero-carbon air bridge to the island of Ireland.
- There is a nearby Liverpool South Parkway station, with frequent services to both the local area and places further away.
- An improved London train service starts in 2022 or 2023.
- There would need to be a people mover between the station and the airport.
- The airport can probably have piped hydrogen from across the Mersey.
- There is already significant traffic to and from the island of Ireland.
- Flight times Between Liverpool and Dublin and Belfast would be under an hour.
I also feel that Liverpool could develop lots of other low- and zero-carbon routes to perhaps Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Norwich, Southampton and the Isle of Man.
I could even see Liverpool having a Turn-Up-And-Go shuttle service to Dublin and Belfast, with small zero-carbon planes running every fifteen minutes or so.
Manston
I wouldn’t rule out Manston as a low- and zero-carbon airport for flights to the Benelux countries and Northern France and parts of Germany.
These are a few distances from Manston Airport.
- Amsterdam – 160 miles
- Brussels – 134 miles
- Cologne – 253 miles
- Dusseldorf – 234 miles
- Frankfurt – 328 miles
- Geneva – 414 miles
- Hamburg – 396 miles
- Le Touquet – 59 miles
- Lille – 49 miles
- Luxembourg – 243 miles
- Ostend – 66 miles
- Strasbourg – 339 miles
Manston’s position on the tip of Kent gives it an advantage and I think low- and zero-carbon services could reach Cologne, Frankfurt, Geneva, Hamburg and Strasbourg.
The airport also has other advantages.
- A big electrolyser to produce hydrogen is being built at Herne Bay.
- The area is rich in wind and solar energy.
- I suspect the airspace to the East of the airport isn’t very busy and short hops to the Continent could be easy to slot in.
There is a new station being built at Thanet Parkway, which is on the Ashford and Ramsgate Line, which has regular services to London, including some services on High Speed One.
This Google Map shows the location of the airport and the station.
Note.
- The runway of Manston Airport.
- The Ashford and Ramsgate Line running across the South-East corner of the map.
- The station could be built to the West of the village of Cliffsend, which is indicated by the red arrow.
- I’m sure, a people mover or a zero-carbon bus could be built to connect the station and the airport.
There would need to be improvements in the frequency of services to and from London, but I’m sure Manston Airport could become an ideal airport for low- and zero-carbon aircraft serving the near Continent.
Southampton
Southampton Airport could be the ideal design for an airport to serve an air bridge.
- The Southampton Airport Parkway station is connected to the terminal.
- The station has numerous rail services, including a fast service to and from London.
- The airport is expanding and could make sure all works are compatible with a low- and zero-carbon future.
Southampton is not ideally placed for services to Ireland, but with low- and zero-carbon aircraft it could be ideal for running services to the Channel Islands and Western France.
Other Airports
I suspect other airports will go the low- and zero-carbon route.
Conclusion
I started this post, with the intention of writing about writing about low- and zero-carbon transport between the islands of Great Britain and Ireland.
But it has grown.
I have now come to the conclusion that there are several low- and zero-carbon routes that could be developed.
The most promising would appear to be.
- London Euston and Belfast by new Class 805 train to Holyhead and then zero-carbon high speed ferry.
- London Euston and Dublin by new Class 805 train to Holyhead and then zero-carbon high speed ferry.
- Glasgow and Belfast by train to Cairnryan and then zero-carbon high speed ferry.
- Point-to-point air routes using new small nineteen seat low- or zero-carbon airliners with a range of 500 miles.
- London Euston and Belfast by new Class 807 train to Liverpool Airport and then smaller low- or zero-carbon airliner.
- London Euston and Dublin by new Class 807 train to Liverpool Airport and then and then smaller low- or zero-carbon airliner.
- Other air bridges will develop.
But I am fairly certain by the end of the decade, there will be A320-size airlines powered by hydrogen taking us to Ireland and Western Europe.
I believe that the survival and ultimate prospering of Airbus and Boeing depends on the development of a range of zero-carbon airliners.
For this reason alone, they will succeed.
London Euston Cat-Astrophe Averted For Train-Surfing Puss
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on the BBC.
Except for the headline, the BBC resisted the urge to use more feline puns in the story.
Possible Destinations For An Intercity Tri-Mode Battery Train
Currently, the following routes are run or are planned to be run by Hitachi’s Class 800, 802, 805 and 810 trains, where most of the route is electrified and sections do not have any electrification.
- Avanti West Coast – Euston and Chester – 21 miles
- Avanti West Coast – Euston and Shewsbury – 29.6 miles
- Avanti West Coast – Euston and Wrexham General – 33 miles
- Grand Central – Kings Cross and Sunderland – 47 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Bedwyn – 13.3 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads- 24.5 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Cheltenham – 43.3 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Great Malvern – 76 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Oxford – 10.4 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Penzance – 252 miles
- GWR – Paddington and Swansea – 45.7 miles
- Hull Trains – Kings Cross and Hull – 36 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Harrogate – 18.5 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Huddersfield – 17 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Hull – 36 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Lincoln – 16.5 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Middlesbrough – 21 miles
- LNER – Kings Cross and Sunderland – 47 miles
Note.
- The distance is the length of line on the route without electrification.
- Five of these routes are under twenty miles
- Many of these routes have very few stops on the section without electrification.
I suspect that Avanti West Coast, Grand Central, GWR and LNER have plans for other destinations.
A Battery Electric Train With A Range of 56 Miles
Hitachi’s Regional Battery Train is deescribed in this infographic.
The battery range is given as 90 kilometres or 56 miles.
This battery range would mean that of the fifteen destinations I proposed, the following could could be achieved on a full battery.
- Chester
- Shewsbury
- Wrexham General
- Bedwyn
- Bristol Temple Meads
- Cheltenham
- Oxford
- Swansea
- Hull
- Harrogate
- Huddersfield
- Lincoln
- Middlesbrough
Of these a return trip could probably be achieved without charging to Chester, Shrewsbury, Bedwyn, Bristol Temple Meads, Oxford, Harrogate, Huddersfield, Lincoln and Middlesbrough.
- 86.7 % of destinations could be reached, if the train started with a full battery
- 60 % of destinations could be reached on an out and back basis, without charging at the destination.
Only just over a quarter of the routes would need, the trains to be charged at the destination.
Conclusion
It looks to me, that Hitachi have done some analysis to determine the best battery size. But that is obviously to be expected.
High Speed Two And Scotland
In this post, I will only look at services and capacity.
I will leave the economics to others with the appropriate data.
Current Anglo-Scottish Services
Currently, these services run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central stations.
- 1 train per hour (tph) – Avanti West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Carlisle.
- 1 train per two hours (tp2h) – Avanti West Coast – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Milton Keynes Central, Coventry, Birmingham International, Birmingham New Street, Sandwell and Dudley, Wolverhampton, Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Edinburgh Waverley via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York and Newcastle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Glasgow Central via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley.
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via York, Darlington, Newcastle and Berwick-upon-Tweed
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via Peterborough, Newark North Gate, Doncaster, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Newton-le-Willows, Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham, Newcastle and Morpeth
- 1 tp2h – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh Waverley via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 3 trains per day (tpd) – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow Central via St. Helen’s Central, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
Note.
- I’ve not included service extensions to Aberdeen and Inverness.
- I’ve cut out a few smaller stations
- Some services call at both Edinburgh and Glasgow.
- Because of signalling and track improvements it is likely that London Kings Cross and Edinburgh timings will come down to four hours.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1 tph
- London and Edinburgh – 2 tph
- London and Glasgow – 1.5 tph
- Leeds and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Leeds and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
- Liverpool and Edinburgh – 1 tph
- Liverpool and Glasgow – 3 tpd
- Manchester and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Manchester and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph
- Manchester Airport and Glasgow – 0.5 tph
Note.
- I have ignored the five tpd London Kings Cross and Edinburgh service, that starts next year, which will be run by East Coast Trains.
- 0.5 tph is equivalent to one tp2h.
It looks a fairly well-balanced and comprehensive service.
High Speed Two Anglo-Scottish Services
According to a table in the June 2020 Edition of Modern Railways, these High Speed Two services will run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central.
- 1 tph – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tph – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tp2h – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket.
- 1 tp2h – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie and Motherwell.
Note.
- All trains will be High Speed Two’s 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains.
- The four one tph services will run as two pairs of trains and split and join at Carlisle.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1.5 tph
- London and Edinburgh – 2 tph
- London and Glasgow – 2 tph
Note.
- Passengers between Liverpool or Manchester and Scotland will have to change at Preston.
- There is no connection between the Eastern Leg of High Speed Two and Edinburgh.
- London and Edinburgh Waverley will take three hours and forty minutes, which saves twenty minutes on the likely four hours on the East Coast Main Line.
- London and Glasgow Central will take three hours and forty minutes, which saves fifty minutes on the current time.
High Speed Two certainly provides good services between London, Birmingham and Scotland, but it leaves out travelling between the cities of the North and North of the Border.
High Speed Two Classic-Conventional Trains
In Thoughts On Class 807 Trains And High Speed Two’s Classic-Compatible Trains, I discussed a design of Classic-Compatible High Speed Two train based on the recently-ordered Class 807 trains for Avanti West Coast.
Except for the required speeds, the specifications of the trains are similar and this was my conclusion.
I wouldn’t be surprised that Hitachi’s offering for more trains on the West Coast Main Line and the Classic-Compatible trains for High Speed Two are very similar to the Class 807 trains.
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- The Classic-Compatible trains for High Speed Two could be eight-car trains with twenty-five metre cars.
- The replacements for the eleven-car Class 390 trains could be nine-car trains with twenty-six metre cars.
Both would be based on the Class 807 train.
A common design would surely ease operation of the combined West Coast Partnership.
TransPennine Express Between Liverpool Lime Street And Edinburgh
Will this TransPennine Express service still be the primary connection between the North of England and Edinburgh?
- It has a frequency of one tph.
- It takes about four hours and fifty minutes.
- It connects Liverpool, Manchester, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle to the Scottish capital.
- According to Real Time Trains, it runs as far as York on diesel and then using the electrification.
Current plans envisage Northern Powerhouse Rail will create an electrified route across the Pennines.
This report on the Transport for the North web site, is entitled At A Glance – Northern Powerhouse Rail.
It gives these times and frequencies for the various legs of the route.
- Liverpool and Manchester via Manchester Airport – 26 minutes – 6 tph
- Manchester and Leeds – 25 minutes – 6 tph
- Leeds and Newcastle – 58 minutes – 4 tph
- Newcastle and Edinburgh – 90 minutes
This totals to three hours and nineteen minutes.
Note.
- The Newcastle and Edinburgh time is that currently achievable today by Class 801 trains.
- Liverpool and Manchester city centres have a six tph high speed service via Manchester Airport.
- Manchester and Edinburgh will be under three hours.
- Leeds and Edinburgh will be under two-and-a-half hours.
- The Manchester and Manchester Airport leg could be shared with High Speed Two.
Most of this will be achievable with the current TransPennine Express Class 802 trains, which are capable of 140 mph.
In addition, I think that it is likely that the East Coast Main Line will be upgraded between York and Newcastle for High Speed Two.
Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh will unlikely be to High Speed Two standards, but it could match the standards of the East Coast Main Line.
Improvements To The East Coast Main Line Between Newcastle and Edinburgh
Consider
- There have been reports that the power supply on the route is not very robust and Class 800 and Class 802 trains have to use diesel power.
- The route is fairly straight and could probably be partially-upgraded for 140 mph running with appropriate signalling.
- The route carries about five tph in both directions. Modern digital signalling could probably double this frequency.
- The Scottish Government has suggested adding new stations at East Linton and Reston.
- Edinburgh and Newcastle are 124.5 miles apart and trains typically take ninety minutes.
In addition, High Speed Two might like to extend some or all of their three Newcastle services to Edinburgh.
- 1 tph – Birmingham Curzon Street and Newcastle via East Midlands Hub, York, Darlington and Durham
- 1 tph – London Euston and Newcastle via Old Oak Common and York
- 1 tph – London Euston and Newcastle via Old Oak Common, York and Darlington.
High Speed Two will run between London Euston and Newcastle in two hours and seventeen minutes.
I think it could be possible, that an upgraded Newcastle and Edinburgh route could be covered in seventy minutes by either one of High Speed Two’s Classic Compatible trains or a Class 80x train.
This could mean these timings.
- Under four hours for classic services between London Kings Cross and Edinburgh.
- Around three hours for classic services between Liverpool and Edinburgh.
- Under three-and-a-half hours for High Speed Two services between London Euston and Edinburgh.
This shows the importance of improving the East Coast Main Line to the North of Newcastle.
Improvements To The West Coast Main Line Between Carlisle and Glasgow/Edinburgh
If the frequency and speed of trains on the East Coast Main Line can be increased, what can be done on the West Coast Main Line?
Consider.
- High Speed Two are showing Carlisle and Glasgow Central as a one hour and nineteen minute journey. Avanti West Coast do the journey in one hour and eleven minutes.
- High Speed Two are showing Carlisle and Edinburgh as a one hour and eleven minute journey. Avanti West Coast do the journey in one hour and fifteen minutes.
- Could the route be fully upgraded for 140 mph running with appropriate signalling?
- In a typical hour, there are two Avanti West Coast trains and one TransPennine Express passing along all or part of the West Coast Main Line North of Carlisle.
- The route carries a total of about four tph in both directions. Modern digital signalling could probably increase this frequency.
- Hitachi and Avanti West Coast seem to be saying that their new Class 807 trains have similar performance to the Class 390 trains, but without using tilting technology.
There doesn’t appear to be the scope for such dramatic improvement in the West, as in the East, but I can still see a succession of 140 mph trains running between Carlisle and Glasgow or Edinburgh in no more than an hour and eleven minutes.
These passenger services could be running North of Carlisle, when High Speed Two is fully open.
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – Class 397 train
- 0.5 tph – TransPennine Express – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central – Class 397 train
- 3 tpd – TransPennine Express – Liverpool and Glasgow Central – Class 397 train
Note.
- I am assuming that Avanti West Coast’s services will be replaced by the High Speed Two services.
- As the TransPennine Express services share a path, it would appear that six tph will be running between Carlisle and Edinburgh or Glasgow.
There would appear to be space for more trains on the West Coast Main Line, to the North of Carlisle.
A Few Random Thoughts
These are a few random thoughts and ideas.
Avanti West Coast And High Speed Two Classic-Compatible Trains
Avanti West Coast will have these fleets of high-speed trains.
- 11-car Class 390 electric trains, which are 265.3 metres long
- 9-car Class 390 electric trains, which are 217.5 metres long.
- 7-car Class 807 electric trains, which will be 182 metres long
- 5-car Class 805 bi-mode trains, which will be 130 metres long
- High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains, which will be 200 metres long
- Full-size High Speed Two trains, which will be 400 metres long.
It would appear that there could be some fleet simplification.
All Passenger Trains Between Newcastle Or Carlisle and Glasgow Central Or Edinburgh Should Be Capable Of Operating At 140 mph
Both the East and West Coast Main Lines between Carlisle and Newcastle in England and Edinburgh and Glasgow in Scotland are not far off being capable of running trains at 140 mph. Modern digital in-cab signalling and some track works will be needed.
Once 140 mph running is achieved, then all trains will need to be capable of making use of the speed, to maximise the capacity of the routes.
Freight Trains Between Newcastle Or Carlisle and Glasgow Central Or Edinburgh Should Be Capable Of Operating As Fast As Possible
Freight trains will need to be hauled by electric locomotives, at as high a speed as possible, to avoid slowing the express passenger trains.
More well-positioned freight loops may be needed.
Will TransPennine’s Manchester And Scotland Service Transfer To High Speed Two?
I think, that this is highly likely.
- The service would be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- Depending on track layout, the Liverpool and Scotland service on the West Coast Main Line could be upgraded to the High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains or discontinued.
This would mean, that all passenger trains on the West Coast Main Line North of Lancaster would be High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 2 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 0.5 tph – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
- 3 tpd – High Speed Two – Liverpool and Glasgow Central – High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train
This must mean that if the operating speed on the West Coast Main Line were to be increased, all passenger services could take advantage, which would surely improve timings.
What About CrossCountry?
CrossCountry run a single hourly service between Plymouth and Edinburgh.
- The route goes via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle.
- Some services are extended to Glasgow Central and Aberdeen.
Currently, this service is run by a diesel train, which surely will need to be replaced with a zero-carbon train.
Consider.
- Scotland is keen to electrify or allow electric trains to run between Edinburgh and Aberdeen.
- High Speed Two will provide an electrified route between Birmingham and York via East Midlands Hub for Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield and Leeds.
- The likes of Hitachi and Adrian Shooter of Vivarail are very bullish about battery electric trains.
- Great Western Railway, Hitachi and Network Rail have probably hired Baldrick for a cunning plan to run battery electric trains between Bristol and Penzance.
Could it be possible for Hitachi or another manufacturer to design a High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train, with a battery capability?
A train with this specification, could be ideal for the Plymouth and Edinburgh service.
It might also be useful for these CrossCountry services.
- Southampton and Newcastle
- Bournemouth and Manchester Piccadilly
- Exeter St. Davids/Bristol and Manchester Piccadilly
- Cardiff Central and Nottingham
- Birmingham and Nottingham
- Birmingham and Stansted Airport
Note.
- All could run on High Speed Two fpr part of the route.
- Birmingham and Nottingham has already been proposed for running using High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train, by Midlands Engine Rail, as I wrote about in Classic-Compatible High Speed Two Trains At East Midlands Hub Station.
- I proposed a Birmingham and Cambridge service using High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains in A Trip To Grantham Station – 4th November 2020.
High Speed Two could have a big positive effect on CrossCountry services.
Future Anglo-Scottish Services After High Speed Two Opens Fully
It is possible, that when High Speed Two fully opens, these services will run between England and Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central stations.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Edinburgh Waverley via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York and Newcastle.
- 1 tp2h – CrossCountry – South-West England and Glasgow Central via Bristol Temple Meads, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Chesterfield, Sheffield, Wakefield Westgate, Leeds, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh Waverley.
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via York, Darlington, Newcastle and Berwick-upon-Tweed
- 1 tph – LNER – London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley via Peterborough, Newark North Gate, Doncaster, York, Northallerton, Darlington, Durham and Newcastle
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Edinburgh Waverley via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tph – High Speed Two – London Euston and Glasgow Central via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Preston and Carlisle
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle and Edinburgh Haymarket.
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Birmingham Curzon Street and Glasgow Central via Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster, Oxenholme or Penrith, Carlisle, Lockerbie and Motherwell.
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Edinburgh Waverley via Newton-le-Willows, Manchester Victoria, Huddersfield, Leeds, York, Darlington, Durham, Newcastle and Morpeth
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Edinburgh Waverley via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 3 trains per day (tpd) – High Speed Two – Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow Central via St. Helen’s Central, Wigan North Western, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
- 1 tp2h – High Speed Two – Manchester Airport and Glasgow Central via Manchester Piccadilly, Manchester Oxford Road, Bolton, Preston, Lancaster and Carlisle.
Note.
- I have assumed that the Liverpool/Manchester services to Scotland via the West Coast Main Line have transferred to High Speed Two.
- All trains would be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
The services can be roughly summarised as follows.
- Birmingham and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Birmingham and Glasgow – 1.5 tph (1 tph)
- London and Edinburgh – 4 tph (2 tph)
- London and Glasgow – 2 tph (1.5 tph)
- Leeds and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (1.5 tph)
- Leeds and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Liverpool and Edinburgh – 1 tph (1 tph)
- Liverpool and Glasgow – 3 tpd (3 tpd)
- Manchester and Edinburgh – 1.5 tph (1.5 tph)
- Manchester and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Manchester Airport and Edinburgh – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
- Manchester Airport and Glasgow – 0.5 tph (0.5 tph)
Note.
- My estimates for the number of trains in the future, are probably best described as minimum figures.
- The figures in brackets are the current frequencies.
- Currently, there are eleven express trains between England and Scotland and after High Speed Two is fully open there could be at least fifteen express trains.
I have a few final thoughts.
Capacity Between England And Scotland
Capacity of the current and future Anglo-Scottish trains is as follows.
- High Speed Two Classic-Compatible train – 500-600
- Eleven-car Class 390 train – 589
- Nine-car Class 800 train – 611
It appears that the all the longer trains have roughly the same capacity.
As there are now eleven Anglo-Scottish long trains and these will be increased to fifteen, that indicates an minimum 36 % increase in capacity.
Will High Speed Two And Northern Powerhouse Rail Share A Route Across The Pennines?
Northern Powerhouse Rail have talked about extending High Speed Two services from Manchester to Huddersfield, Leeds, Hull, York and Newcastle.
I wrote about this in Changes Signalled For HS2 Route In North.
I like this plan for the following reasons.
It gives more places like Huddersfield and Hull access to High Speed Two.
It increases frequencies across the North.
But most importantly, as infrastructure is shared, it saves a lot of money.
It also opens up possibilities for services.
- The Liverpool and Edinburgh service could be run on the High Speed Two route across the Pennines and up the East Coast Main Line.
- London and Manchester services could be extends to Leeds, York, Newcastle and Scotland.
If Northern Powerhouse Rail were to be cleared for High Speed Two’s Full-Size trains, it opens up the possibility of running them further North.
Conclusion
High Speed Two will increase Anglo-Scottish capacity by more than a third.
Avanti West Coast Set To Transform Motherwell Cross-Border Connectivity
The title of this post, is the same as that of this article on Rail Technology Magazine.
These are the first two paragraphs of the article.
Motherwell is set to see a transformation in services as Avanti West Coast announces plans for a major timetable boost on its Anglo-Scottish route.
The change in Avanti West Coast’s timetable will see the cross-border operator serve Motherwell with a further 96 services per week, the most substantial increase in cross-border rail services for the Scottish town in decades.
I used to have a client in Motherwell, thirty years ago, when I lived in Suffolk and that sort of service, would have been very helpful then.
Consider.
- CrossCountry and TransPennine Express services also call.
- Motherwell station seems to have a variety of connections, most of which are electrified.
- It is likely in future, an electric route will be created between Motherwell and Perth.
In the future High Speed Two will call half-hourly.
Conclusion
This seems to be an excellent proposal.
How Many Trains Are Needed To Run A Full Service On High Speed Two?
The latest High Speed Two schedule was published in the June 2020 Edition of Modern Railways.
The Two Train Classes
Two separate train classes have been proposed for High Speed Two.
Full-Size – Wider and taller trains built to a European loading gauge, which would be confined to the high-speed network (including HS1 and HS2) and other lines cleared to their loading gauge.
Classic-Compatible – Conventional trains, capable of high speed but built to a British loading gauge, permitting them to leave the high speed track to join conventional routes such as the West Coast Main Line, Midland Main Line and East Coast Main Line.
The Wikipedia entry for High Speed Two has a section entitled Rolling Stock, where this is said about the design.
Both types of train would have a maximum speed of at least 360 km/h (225 mph) and a length of 200 metres (660 ft); two units could be joined together for a 400-metre (1,300 ft) train. It has been reported that these longer trains would have approximately 1,100 seats.
These are some of my thoughts.
Seating Density
I would assume that this means that a single 200 metre train, will have a capacity of approximately 550 seats or a density of 2.75 seats per metre. How does that compare with other trains?
- 9-car Class 801 train – 234 metres – 611 seats – 2.61 seats/metre
- 7-car Class 807 train – 182 metres – 453 seats – 2.49 seats/metre
- 9-car Class 390 train – 217.5 metres – 469 seats – 2.16 seats/metre
- 11-car Class 390 train – 265.3 metres – 589 seats – 2.22 seats/metre
- 12-car Class 745/1 train – 236.6 metres – 767 seats – 3.24 seats/metre
- 16-car Class 374 train – 390 metres – 902 seats – 2.31 seats/metre
Note.
- What I find strange with these figures, is that I feel most crowded and cramped in a Class 390 train. Could this be because the Pendelino trains are eighteen years old and train interior design has moved on?
- But I always prefer to travel in a Hitachi Class 80x train or a Stadler Class 745 train.
I very much feel that a seating density of 2.75 seats per metre, designed using some of the best modern practice, could create a train, where travelling is a very pleasant experience.
Step-Free Access
I have travelled in high speed trains all over Europe and have yet to travel in one with step-free access.
Surely, if Stadler can give their trains step-free access everybody can.
The pictures shows step-free access on Stadler Class 745 and Class 755 trains.
If I turned up pushing a friend in a wheelchair, would I be able to push them in easily? Or better still will they be able to wheel themselves in?
A Greater Anglia driver tp;d me recently, that now they never have to wait anymore for wheelchairs to be loaded.
So surely, it is in the train operator’s interest to have step-free access, if it means less train delays.
Double-Deck Trains
In my view double-deck trains only have one only good feature and that is the ability to see everything, if you have a well-designed window seat.
I may be seventy-three, but I am reasonably fit and only ever travel on trains with airline-sized hand baggage. So I don’t find any problem travelling upstairs on a double-deck bus or train!
But it could have been, so very different, if my stroke had been a bit worse and left me blind or in a wheelchair for life.
I have seen incidents on the Continent, which have been caused by double-deck trains.
- A lady of about eighteen in trying to get down with a heavy case dropped it. Luckily it only caused the guy she was travelling with, to roll unhurt down the stairs.
- Luggage is often a problem on Continental trains because of the step-up into the train and access is worse on double deck trains.
- I also remember on a train at Leipzig, when several passengers helped me lift a guy and his wheelchair out of the lower deck of a double-deck train, which was lower than the platform, as they often are with double-deck trains.
I am not totally against double-deck trains, but they must be designed properly.
Consider.
- High Speed Two’s Full-Size trains will only use London Euston, Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange, Birmingham Curzon Street, Manchester Airport, Manchester Piccadilly, East Midlands Hub and Leeds stations.
- All stations used by Full-Size trains will be brand-new or substantially rebuilt stations.
- Someone sitting in a wheelchair surely has the same right to a view from the top-deck of a double-deck train as anybody else.
- Jumbo jets seemed to do very well without a full-length top-deck.
- The A 380 Superjumbo has been designed so that entry and exit on both decks is possible.
I feel if High Speed Two want to run double-deck trains, an elegant solution can surely be found.
A Crude Estimate On The Number Of Trains
This is my crude estimate to find out how many trains, High Speed Two will need.
Western Leg
These are the services for the Western Leg between London , Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Edinburgh and Glasgow.
- Train 1 – London Euston and Birmingham Curzon Street – 400 metre Full-Size – 45 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 2 – London Euston and Birmingham Curzon Street – 400 metre Full-Size – 45 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 3 – London Euston and Birmingham Curzon Street – 400 metre Full-Size – 45 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 4 – London Euston and Lancaster – Classic Compatible – 2 hours 3 minutes – 5 hour Round Trip – 5 trains
- Train 4 – London Euston and Liverpool – Classic Compatible – 1 hours 34 minutes – 4 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 5 – London Euston and Liverpool – Classic Compatible – 1 hours 34 minutes – 4 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 6 – London Euston and Macclesfield – Classic Compatible – 1 hours 30 minutes – 4 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 7 – London Euston and Manchester – 400 metre Full-Size – 1 hour and 11 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 6 trains
- Train 8 – London Euston and Manchester – 400 metre Full-Size – 1 hour and 11 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 6 trains
- Train 9 – London Euston and Manchester – 400 metre Full-Size – 1 hour and 11 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 6 trains
- Train 10 – London Euston and Edinburgh – Classic Compatible – 3 hours 48 minutes – 8 hour Round Trip – 8 trains
- Train 10 – London Euston and Glasgow – Classic Compatible – 3 hours 40 minutes – 8 hour Round Trip – 8 trains
- Train 11 – London Euston and Edinburgh – Classic Compatible – 3 hours 48 minutes – 8 hour Round Trip – 8 trains
- Train 11 – London Euston and Glasgow – Classic Compatible – 3 hours 40 minutes – 8 hour Round Trip – 8 trains
- Train 12 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh or Glasgow – Classic Compatible – 3 hours 20 minutes – 7 hour Round Trip – 7 trains
- Train 13 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester – 200 metre Full-Size – 41 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 2 trains
- Train 14 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester – 200 metre Full-Size – 41 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 2 trains
Note.
- I have assumed 400 metre Full-Size trains will be a pair of 200 metre trains.
- Trains 4, 10 and 11 are pairs of 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains, that split and join at Crewe. Carlisle and Carlisle respectively.
- Trains 5 and 6 are single 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains.
- The full schedule will need 34 Full-Size trains and 56 Classic-Compatible trains
According to Wikipedia, the first order will be for 54 Classic-Compatible trains, so I would assume, that more trains will be ordered.
Eastern Leg
These are the services for the Eastern Leg between London , Birmingham, East Midlands Hub, Leeds, Sheffield, York and Newcastle.
- Train 15 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Leeds – 200 metre Full-Size – 49 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 2 trains
- Train 16 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Leeds – 200 metre Full-Size – 49 minutes – 2 hour Round Trip – 2 trains
- Train 17 – Birmingham Curzon Street and Newcastle – Classic Compatible – 1 hour 57 minutes – 5 hour Round Trip – 5 trains
- Train 18 – London Euston and Sheffield – Classic Compatible – 1 hour 27 minutes – 4 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 18 – London Euston and Leeds – Classic Compatible – 1 hour 21 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 3 trains
- Train 19 – London Euston and Leeds – 400 metre Full-Size – 1 hour and 21 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 6 trains
- Train 20 – London Euston and Leeds – 400 metre Full-Size – 1 hour and 21 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 6 trains
- Train 21 – London Euston and Sheffield – Classic Compatible – 1 hour 27 minutes – 4 hour Round Trip – 4 trains
- Train 21 – London Euston and York – Classic Compatible – 1 hour 24 minutes – 3 hour Round Trip – 3 trains
- Train 22 – London Euston and Newcastle – Classic Compatible – 2 hour 17 minutes – 5 hour Round Trip – 5 trains
- Train 23 – London Euston and Newcastle – Classic Compatible – 2 hour 17 minutes – 5 hour Round Trip – 5 trains
Note.
- I have assumed 400 metre Full-Size trains will be a pair of 200 metre trains.
- Trains 15 and 16 work as a pair,
- Trains 18 and 21 are pairs of 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains, that split and join at East Midlands Hub.
- Trains 22 and 23 are single 200 metre long Classic-Compatible trains
- The full schedule will need 16 Full-Size trains and 29 Classic-Compatible trains.
Adding the two legs together and I estimate that 50 Full-Size trains and 85 Classic-Compatible trains, will be needed to run a full schedule.
Trains Per Hour On Each Section
It is possible to make a table of how many trains run on each section of the High Speed Two network in trains per hour (tph)
- London Euston (stops) – 1-11, 18-23 – 17 tph
- London Euston and Old Oak Common – 1-11, 18-23 – 17 tph
- Old Oak Common (stops) – 1-11, 18-23 – 17 tph
- Old Oak Common and Birmingham Interchange – 1-11, 18-23 – 17 tph
- Birmingham Interchange (stops) – 2, 3, 7, 11, 20 – 5 tph
- Birmingham Curzon Street (stops) – 1-3, 12-14, 15-17 – 9 tph
- Birmingham and Crewe – 4,5, 7-9, 10-14 – 10 tph
- Crewe (stops) – 4,5 – 2 tph
- Crewe and Liverpool – 4,5 – 2 tph
- Crewe and Lancaster – 4, 10-12 – 4 tph
- Crewe and Manchester – 7-9, 13, 14 – 5 tph
- Crewe and Wigan via Warrington – 4 – 1 tph
- Crewe and Wigan via High Speed Two (new route) – 10-12 – 3 tph
- Lancaster (stops) 4 – 1 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 10-12 – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh – 10-12 – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow – 10-12 – 2.5 tph
- Birmingham and Stoke – 6 – 1 tph
- Stoke (stops) – 6 – 1 tph
- Stoke and Macclesfield – 6 – 1 tph
- Macclesfield (stops) – 6 – 1 tph
- Birmingham and East Midlands Hub – 15-17, 18-20, 21-23 – 9 tph
- East Midlands Hub (stops) – 15-17, 18-20, 21 – 7 tph
- East Midlands Hub and Sheffield – 18, 21 – 2 tph
- Sheffield (stops) – 18, 21 – 2 tph
- Midlands Hub and Leeds – 15, 16, 18-20 – 5 tph
- Leeds (stops) – 15, 16, 18-20 – 5 tph
- East Midlands Hub and York – 17, 21-23 – 4 tph
- York (stops) – 17, 21-23 – 4 tph
- York and Newcastle – 17, 22, 23 – 3 tph
- Newcastle (stops) – 17, 22, 23 – 3 tph
These are a few thoughts.
Capacity Of The Southern Leg
The busiest section is between London Euston and Birmingham Interchange, which handles 17 tph.
As the maximum capacity of High Speed Two is laid down in the Phase One Act as 18 tph, this gives a path for recovery, according to the article.
Trains Serving Euston
The following train types serve London Euston station.
- Full-Size – 8 tph
- 400 metre Classic-Compatible – 5 tph
- 200 metre Classic-Compatible – 4 tph
In the current service proposal, , Trains 5,6, 22 and 23 are just single 200 metre Classic Compatible trains.
This is inefficient and another four tph could be run into Euston station, by the use of appropriate splitting and joining.
- Train 5 could run an identical manner to Train 4 to give extra services to Lancaster, Preston, Wigan North Western and Warrington Bank Quay.
- Train 6 to Macclesfield is a problem and perhaps should call at Birmingham Interchange, where it could split and join to serve somewhere else like Wolverhampton and Shrewsbury.
- Trains 22 and 23 could split and join at East Midlands Hub and serve other places in the East of England like Cleethorpes, Hull, Lincoln, Middlesbrough and Scarborough.
Paths are expensive entities to provide and every path into Euston should support a 400 metre train or a pair of 200 metre trains.
Platform Use At Euston
This page on the High Speed Two web site, gives details of Euston High Speed Two station.
HS2 will deliver eleven new 400m long platforms, a new concourse and improved connections to Euston and Euston Square Underground stations. Our design teams are also looking at the opportunity to create a new northerly entrance facing Camden Town as well as new east-west links across the whole station site.
So how will the eleven platforms be used?
Destinations served from London are planned to be as follows.
- Birmingham Curzon Street – Full-Size – 3 tph
- Edinburgh/Glasgow – Classic-Compatible – 2 tph
- Lancaster – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
- Leeds – Full-Size – 2 tph – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
Liverpool – Classic-Compatible – 2 tph
- Macclesfield – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
- Manchester Piccadilly – Full-Size – 3 tph
- Newcastle – Classic-Compatible – 2 tph
- Sheffield – Classic-Compatible – 2 tph
- York – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
That is ten destinations and there will be eleven platforms.
I like it! Lack of resources is often the reason systems don’t work well and there are certainly enough platforms.
Could platforms be allocated something like this?
- Birmingham Curzon Street – Full-Size
- Edinburgh/Glasgow – Classic-Compatible
- Leeds – Full-Size
- Liverpool – Classic-Compatible – Also serves Lancaster
- Macclesfield – Classic-Compatible
- Manchester Piccadilly – Full-Size
- Newcastle – Classic-Compatible
- Sheffield – Classic-Compatible – Also serves Leeds and York
Note.
- No platform handles more than three tph.
- There are three spare platforms.
- Each platform would only be normally used by one train type.
- Only Birmingham Interchange, East Midlands Hub, Leeds, Preston and York are not always served from the same platform.
Platform arrangements could be very passenger- and operator-friendly.
Platform Use At Birmingham Curzon Street
Birmingham Curzon Street station has been designed to have seven platforms.
Destinations served from Birmingham Curzon Street station are planned to be as follows.
- Edinburgh/Glasgow – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
- Leeds – Full-Size – 2 tph
- London Euston – Full-Size – 3 tph
- Manchester Piccadilly – Full-Size – 2 tph
- Newcastle – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
- Nottingham – Classic-Compatible – 1 tph
Note.
- The Nottingham service has been proposed by Midlands Engine Rail, but will be running High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains.
- That is six destinations and there will be seven platforms.
I like it! For the same reason as London Euston.
Could platforms be allocated something like this?
- Edinburgh/Glasgow – Classic-Compatible
- Leeds – Full-Size
- London Euston – Full-Size
- Manchester Piccadilly – Full-Size
- Newcastle/Nottingham – Classic-Compatible
Note.
- No platform handles more than three tph.
- There are two spare platforms.
- Each platform would only be normally used by one train type.
- Only East Midlands Hub is not always served from the same platform.
Platform arrangements could be very passenger- and operator-friendly.
Back-to-Back Services via Birmingham Curzon Street
The current plan for High Speed Two envisages the following services between the main terminals served by Full-Size trains.
- London Euston and Birmingham Curzon Street – 3 tph – 45 minutes
- London Euston and Leeds – 2 tph – 81 minutes
- London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly – 3 tph – 71 minutes
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Leeds – 2 tph – 40 minutes
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly – 2 tph – 41 minutes
Suppose a traveller wanted to go between East Midlands Hub and Manchester Airport stations.
Wouldn’t it be convenient if the Leeds to Birmingham Curzon Street train, stopped in Birmingham Curzon Street alongside the train to Manchester Airport and Piccadilly, so passengers could just walk across?
Or the two services could be run Back-to-Back with a reverse in Birmingham Curzon Street station?
Note.
- The current fastest times between Nottingham and Manchester Airport stations are around two-and-a-half hours, with two changes.
- With High Speed Two, it looks like the time could be under the hour, even allowing up to eight minutes for the change at Birmingham Curzon Street.
The design of the track and stations for High Speed Two, has some interesting features that will be exploited by the train operator, to provide better services.
Capacity Of The Western Leg Between Birmingham And Crewe
The section is between Birmingham and Crewe, will be running 10 tph.
As the maximum capacity of High Speed Two is laid down in the Phase One Act as 18 tph, this gives plenty of room for more trains.
But where will they come from?
High Speed One copes well with a few interlopers in the shape of Southeastern’s Class 395 trains, which run at 140 mph, between the Eurostars.
High Speed Two is faster, but what is to stop an operator running their own Classic-Compatible trains on the following routes.
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Liverpool via Crewe, Runcorn and Liverpool South Parkway.
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Holyhead via Crewe, Chester and an electrified North Wales Coast Line.
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Blackpool via Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston.
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Blackburn and Burnley via Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay, Wigan North Western and Preston.
Note.
- If these trains were say 130 metres long, they could call at all stations, without any platform lengthening.
- I’m sure that the clever engineers at Hitachi and Hyperdrive Innovation could come up with battery electric Classic-Compatible train, that could run at 225 mph on High Speed Two and had a battery range to reach Holyhead, with a small amount of electrification.
- A pair of trains, could work the last two services with a Split/Join at Preston.
The advantages of terminating these service in Birmingham Curzon Street would be as follows.
- A lot more places get a fast connection to the High Speed Two network.
- Passengers can reach London with an easy change at Birmingham Curzon Street station.
- They can also walk easily between the three Birmingham stations.
But the big advantage is the trains don’t use valuable paths on High Speed Two between Birmingham Curzon Street and London Euston.
Crewe Station
In the current Avanti West Coast timetable, the following trains pass through Crewe.
- London Euston and Blackpool – 4 trains per day (tpd)
- London Euston and Chester – 1 tph
- London Euston and Edinburgh/Glasgow – 2 tph
- London Euston and Liverpool – 1 tph
- London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly – 1 tph
Most trains stop at Crewe.
In the proposed High Speed Two timetable, the following trains will pass through Crewe.
- London Euston and Edinburgh/Glasgow – 2 tph
- London Euston and Lancaster/Liverpool – 2 tph
- London Euston and Manchester – 3 tph
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Edinburgh/Glasgow -1 tph
- Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester – 2 tph
Note.
- Only the Lancaster and Liverpool trains stop at Crewe station.
- North of Crewe there will be a three-way split of High Speed Two routes to Liverpool, Wigan and the North and Manchester Airport and Piccadilly.
- High Speed Two will loop to the East and then join the West Coast Main Line to the South of Wigan.
- High Speed Two trains will use the West Coast Main Line to the North of Wigan North Western station.
This map of High Speed Two in North West England was captured from the interactive map on the High Speed Two web site.
Note.
- The current West Coast Main Line (WCML) and Phase 2a of High Speed Two are shown in blue.
- Phase 2b of High Speed Two is shown in orange.
- The main North-South route, which is shown in blue, is the WCML passing through Crewe, Warrington Bank Quay and Wigan North Western as it goes North.
- The Western Branch, which is shown in blue, is the Liverpool Branch of the WCML, which serves Runcorn and Liverpool.
- High Speed Two, which is shown in orange, takes a faster route between Crewe and Wigan North Western.
- The Eastern Branch, which is shown in orange, is the Manchester Branch of High Speed Two, which serves Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- The route in the East, which is shown in blue, is the Macclesfield Branch of High Speed Two, which serves Stafford, Stoke-on-Trent and Macclesfield.
The route of Northern Powerhouse Rail between Manchester Airport and Liverpool has still to be finalised.
Liverpool Branch
Consider.
- The Liverpool Branch will take two tph between London Euston and Liverpool.
- In the future it could take up to 6 tph on Northern Powerhouse Rail between Liverpool and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport.
I believe that Liverpool Lime Street station, after the recent updating can handle all these trains.
Manchester Branch
This document on the Government web site is entitled HS2 Phase 2b Western Leg Design Refinement Consultation.
It indicates two important recently-made changes to the design of the Manchester Branch of High Speed Two.
- Manchester Airport station will have four High Speed platforms instead of two.
- Manchester Piccadilly station will have six High Speed platforms instead of four.
These changes will help the use of these stations by Northern Powerhouse Rail..
Consider.
- The Manchester Branch will be new high speed track, which will probably be built in a tunnel serving Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
- The Manchester Branch will terminate in new platforms.
- The Manchester Branch will take five tph between Birmingham Curzon Street or London Euston and Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- In the future it could take up to six tph on Northern Powerhouse Rail between Liverpool and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport.
- London Euston and Old Oak Common will be new stations on a tunnelled approach to London and will handle 18 tph.
If London Euston and Old Oak Common can handle 18 tph, I can’t see why Manchester Airport and Piccadilly stations can’t handle somewhere near a similar number of trains.
At the moment eleven tph have been allocated to the Manchester Branch.
I believe that if infrastructure for Northern Powerhouse Rail was designed so that as well as connecting to Manchester and Liverpool, it connected Manchester and the West Coast Main Line running North to Preston, Carlisle and Scotland, services to the following destinations would be possible.
- Barrow
- Blackburn
- Blackpool
- Edinburgh
- Glasgow
- Windermere
Note.
- Edinburgh and Glasgow would probably be a service that would alternate the destination, as it is proposed for High Speed Two’s Birmingham and Scotland service.
- There would probably be a need for a North Wales and Manchester service via Chester.
- All trains would be Classic-Compatible.
If the Manchester Branch were to be built to handle 18 tph, there would be more than enough capacity.
Crewe, Wigan And Manchester
My summing up earlier gave the number of trains between Crewe, Wigan and Manchester as follows.
- Crewe and Manchester – 5 tph
- Crewe and Wigan via Warrington – 1 tph
- Crewe and Wigan via High Speed Two (new route) – 3 tph
This map of High Speed Two where the Manchester Branch leaves the new High Speed Two route between Crewe and Wigan was captured from the interactive map on the High Speed Two web site.
Note.
- The Manchester Branch runs to the South of the M56,
- The large blue dot indicates Manchester Airport station.
- Wigan is to the North.
- Crewe is to the South.
- Manchester Piccadilly is to the North East.
I believe this junction will be turned into a full triangular junction, to connect Wigan directly to Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- Barrow, Blackburn, Blackpool, Preston and Windermere could all have high speed connections to Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly. Trains could be shorter Classic-Compatible trains.
- A Manchester and Scotland service would take the same route.
Another pair of tracks could leave the junction to the West to create a direct route between Manchester Airport and Liverpool for Northern Powerhouse Rail, by sneaking along the M56.
Suppose extra services were as follows.
- Manchester and Barrow – 1 tph
- Manchester and Blackburn – 1 tph
- Manchester and Blackpool – 1 tph
- Manchester and Liverpool – 6 tph
- Manchester and Scotland – 1 tph
- Manchester and Windermere – 1 tph
The frequencies from the junction would be as follows.
- To and from Crewe – High Speed Two (Manchester) – 5 tph – High Speed Two (North) – 3 tph = 8 tph
- To and from Liverpool – Northern Powerhouse Rail – 6 tph = 6 tph
- To and from Manchester – High Speed Two – 5 tph – Northern Powerhouse Rail – 6 tph – Local – 4 tph – Scotland – 1 tph = 16 tph
- To and from Wigan – High Speed Two – 3 tph – Local – 4 tph – Scotland – 1 tph = 8 tph.
Only the Manchester Branch would be working hard.
The Liverpool Connection
I indicated that another pair of tracks would need to extend the Manchester Branch towards Liverpool in the West for Northern Powerhouse Rail.
- Would these tracks have a station at Warrington?
- Would there be a connection to allow services between Liverpool and the North and Scotland?
It might even be possible to design a Liverpool connection, that avoided using the current Liverpool Branch and increased the capacity and efficiency of all trains to Liverpool.
Capacity Of The Western Leg Between Wigan And Scotland
The sections between Crewe and Carlisle, will be running at the following frequencies.
- Wigan and Lancaster – 4 tph
- Lancaster and Carlisle – 3 tph
- Carlisle and Edinburgh – 2.5 tph
- Carlisle and Glasgow – 2.5 tph
Note.
- The unusual Scottish frequencies are caused by splitting and joining at Carlisle and alternate services to Edinburgh and Glasgow.
- Any local high speed services and a Scotland service from Manchester, will increase the frequencies.
Over this section the services will be running on an improved West Coast Main Line.
But in some cases the trains will be replacing current services, so the increase in total frequencies will be less than it first appears.
Avanti West Coast currently run the following Scottish services.
- One tph – London Euston and Glasgow via the most direct route.
- One tph – London Euston and alternately Edinburgh and Glasgow via Birmingham.
This means that effectively Glasgow has 1.5 tph and Edinburgh 0.5 tph from London Euston.
The capacity of the current eleven-car Class 390 trains is 145 First and 444 Standard Class seats, which compares closely with the 500-600 seats given in Wikipedia for High Speed Two trains. So the capacity of the two trains is not that different.
But High Speed Two will be running 2.5 tph Between London Euston and both Edinburgh and Glasgow.
I would expect, that Class 390 services to Scotland will be discontinued and replaced by High Speed Two services.
Capacity Of The Eastern Leg Between Birmingham And East Midlands Hub
The section is between Birmingham and East Midlands Hub, will be running 9 tph
As the maximum capacity of High Speed Two is laid down in the Phase One Act as 18 tph, this gives plenty of room for more trains.
But where will they come from?
Midlands Engine Rail is proposing a service between Birmingham Curzon Street and Nottingham.
- It will have a frequency of one tph.
- It will be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
- The journey will take 33 minutes.
- It will run on High Speed Two infrastructure between Birmingham Curzon Street and East Midlands Hub.
If High Speed Two has been designed with this service in mind, I doubt it will be a difficult service to setup.
- There might be enough capacity on High Speed Two for two tph on the route,
- It could possibly be extended to Lincoln.
It will also depend on the service timing being consistent with an efficient use of trains and platforms.
- Thirty-three minutes is not a good timing, as it means twenty-seven minutes wait in a platform to get a round trip time, that suits clock-face time-tabling.
- The current Lincoln and Nottingham service takes 56 minutes for 34 miles.
- LNER’s London Kings Cross and Lincoln service travels the 16 miles between Lincoln and Newark in 25 minutes.
- I estimate that after track improvements, with a single stop at Newark Castle station, that Nottingham and Lincoln could be achieved in several minutes under fifty minutes.
- This would enable a sub-ninety minute journey time between Birmingham Curzon Street and Lincoln, with enough time to properly turn the trains at both ends of the route.
- The three hour round trip would mean that an hourly service would need three trains.
This is probably just one of several efficient time-tabling possibilities.
Are there any other similar services?
The obvious one is surely Cambridge and Birmingham
- It would run via Peterborough, Grantham, Nottingham and East Midlands Hub.
- It would connect the three big science, engineering and medical centres in the Midlands and the East.
- It could be run by High Speed Two Classic-Compatible trains.
It might even be a replacement for CrossCountry’s Stansted Airport and Birmingham service.
Capacity Of The Eastern Leg Between East Midlands Hub And Sheffield
The section between East Midlands Hub and Sheffield, will be running 2 tph
As the maximum capacity of High Speed Two is laid down in the Phase One Act as 18 tph, this gives plenty of room for more trains.
But where will they come from?
This map of High Speed Two where the Sheffield Branch leaves the new High Speed Two route between East Midlands Hub and Leeds was captured from the interactive map on the High Speed Two web site.
Note.
- The main route of High Speed Two between East Midlands Hub, is shown in orange and follows the route of the M1 Motorway, towards the East of the map.
- The Sheffield Branch is new track to Clay Cross North Junction, where is takes over the Midland Main Line to Sheffield, which is shown in blue.
- The line going South in the middle of the map is the Erewash Valley Line, which goes through Langley Mill and Ilkeston stations.
I suspect Clay Cross to Sheffield will be an electrified high speed line, with a maximum speed of at least 140 mph.
Could the Erewash Valley Line have been used as an alternative route to Sheffield?
This map of High Speed Two captured from their interactive map, shows the connection of High Speed Two and the Erewash Valley Line to East Midlands Hub.
Note.
- East Midlands Hub is shown by the big blue dot.
- High Speed Two is shown in orange.
- The route to Leeds vaguely follows the M1 Motorway.
- The Erewash Valley Line goes North to the East of Ilkeston.
Would have been quicker and easier to electrify the Erewash Valley Line, as the High Speed Two route to Chesterfield and Sheffield?
- Network Rail updated the route a few years ago.
- It does not have the problems of electrification, through a World Heritage Site, as does the route through Derby.
- It could surely handle two tph, even if they were High Speed Two Classic Compatible trains.
- Sheffield will be just under ninety minutes from London by High Speed Two, as opposed to two hours now.
I suspect that it all comes down to saving a few minutes to Sheffield and the civic pride of having a High Speed Two connection.
So it looks like we’ll have the following capacity between East Midlands Hub and Sheffield.
- Between East Midlands Hub and Clay Cross North Junction, there will be the High Speed Two capacity of 18 tph.
- Between Clay Cross and Sheffield, there will probably be an upgraded capacity of perhaps 8-10 tph.
It seems a lot of capacity for just two tph.
Consider.
- High Speed Two is planning to run three tph between Birmingham Curzon Street and East Midlands Hub
- Midlands Rail Engine is planning to run one tph between Birmingham Curzon Street and East Midlands Hub
- Four tph is considered a Turn-Up-And-Go service, and could exist between Birmingham Curzon Street and East Midlands Hub.
- Sheffield and Leeds, both probably need a Turn-Up-And-Go service, to and from East Midlands Hub.
- Semi-fast services between Sheffield and East Midlands Hub, calling at Chesterfield, Alfreton, Langley Mill and Ilkeston would be possible, by using the Erewash Valley Line.
- The Maid Marian Line will join the Robin Hood Line in adding extra connectivity to East Midlands Hub Station.
- Leeds and East Midlands Hub could have a six tph service courtesy of High Speed Two and Midlands Rail Engine.
Using High Speed Two’s web site, the following times should be possible.
- Sheffield and East Midlands Hub – 27 minutes
- Sheffield and Birmingham Curzon Street – 47 minutes.
Both services allow time for an efficient service.
There are certainly many options to create a Turn-Up-And-Go service between Sheffield and East Midlands Hub and also improve connections to other locations across the area.
Capacity Of The Eastern Leg Between East Midlands Hub And Leeds
The section is between East Midlands Hub and Leeds, will be running 5 tph
High Speed Two between Midlands Hub and Leeds is a totally new high speed line.
- As the maximum capacity of High Speed Two is laid down in the Phase One Act as 18 tph, this gives plenty of room for more trains.
- The Southern section of the leg closely follows the M1 Motorway.
- Leeds, York and Newcastle will be 27, 36 and 93 minutes from East Midlands Hub, respectively.
This map of High Speed Two, which shows the route of the line in Yorkshire, was captured from the interactive map on the High Speed Two web site.
Note.
- Sheffield is marked by the blue dot in the South.
- Leeds is marked by the blue dot in the North West.
- York is marked by the blue dot in the North East.
- New routes are shown in orange.
- Upgraded routes are shown in blue.
The route seems to open up several possibilities for extra routes.
- Leeds and Sheffield will be used by Northern Powerhouse Rail and there will be four tph, taking 28 minutes.
- Leeds and Bedford via East Midlands Hub has been proposed by Midlands Rail Engine.
- Services between Sheffield and the North via York must be a possibility.
This map of High Speed Two, which shows the routes to the East of Leeds, was captured from High Speed Two’s interactive map.
I think that two things might be missing.
- A full triangular junction would surely allow services between Leeds and the North via York.
- A high speed connection to Hull.
We shall see in the future.
Capacity Of The Eastern Leg Between York And Newcastle
The section between York and Newcastle, will be running at a frequency of 3 tph.
Over this section the services will be running on an improved East Coast Main Line.
Conclusion
I shall split the conclusions into various sections.
Route And Track Layout
I think there may be places, where the route and track layout might need to be improved.
- The Manchester Branch probably needs a triangular junction with the Western Leg of High Speed Two.
- How Liverpool is served by Northern Powerhouse Rail needs to be decided.
- The approach to Leeds probably needs a triangular junction with the Eastern Leg of High Speed Two.
- It is not clear how services will reach Hull.
Hopefully, these issues will become clear in the next year or so.
Capacity
The sections with the highest levels of capacity would appear to be the following.
- London Euston and Birmingham Interchange.
- The Manchester Branch
- The section shared with the East Coast Main Line between York and Newcastle.
- The section shared with the West Coast Main Line between Wigan and Scotland.
But on these sections extra trains can be run.
- Birmingham and North West England
- Birmingham and East Midlands Hub
- East Midlands Hub and Leeds
- East Midlands Hub and Sheffield
- East Midlands Hub and York
I can see, this capacity being filled by high speed local services, like those proposed by Midlands Rail Engine.
Rolling Stock
The only comment, I will make, is that there could be a need for a shorter Classic-Compatible train to work local services.
Seats On Avanti West Coast
I went to Liverpool yesterday on an Avanti West Coast Class 390 train in Standard Class.
I booked on Monday and asked for a table seat.
I actually got a set of four to myself, as this picture shows.
When I got back, out of curiosity I tried to book a complete set of four seats for possibly a family or a group, who were in the same bubble.
I got three seats together and a fourth a few seats away.
So if you need to do that, I would suggest you’re careful with the booking or do it in the traditional manner.
Having travelled twice to the North West in recent weeks, I wouldn’t recommend First Class, as all you get extra is a better pair of seats.
Incidentally, when I came back, because of the weather, I abandoned my trip around the city and got to Lime Street with an hour or so to wait.
But I was able to change my booking for an earlier train for about thirteen pounds and still got a set of four to myself.
Liverpool’s Forgotten Tunnel
The Wapping Tunnel in Liverpool was designed by George Stephenson and was the first tunnel in the world to be bored under a city.
It used to take goods trains between Liverpool Docks and the Liverpool and Manchester Line.
During the 1970s preparations were made to connect the Wapping Tunnel to Merseyrail’s Northern Line, so that trains could run between the Northern Line and the City Line, which would have connected the North and East of the City.
But the project was never completed.
It now appears, the project is on the agenda again.
This article on TransportExtra is entitled Liverpool CR Develops Plan To Boost City Centre Rail Capacity.
The plan outlined is as follows.
- At present, as many as two thirds of trains on the Northern Line turn back as Liverpool Central station.
- Between four and eight trains per hour (tph) could be diverted into the Wapping Tunnel to serve places like St. Helens, Warrington Central and Wigan.
- This would free up platforms in Liverpool Lime Street station for Inter-City and Inter-Regional services.
It is also pointed out, that a 2016 study, didn’t find any serious technical problems with the project.
I do have my thoughts on this project.
Services That Could Be Connected
Local services running from Liverpool Lime Street station include.
Manchester Oxford Road Via Warrington Central
This service is run by Northern.
- It has a frequency of two tph.
- One service calls at Edge Hill, Mossley Hill, West Allerton, Liverpool South Parkway, Hunts Cross, Halewood, Hough Green, Widnes, Sankey For Penketh, Warrington West, Warrington Central, Birchwood, Irlam, Urmston and Deansgate.
- The other service calls at Mossley Hill, West Allerton, Liverpool South Parkway, Hough Green, Widnes, Warrington Central, Padgate, Birchwood, Glazebrook, Irlam, Flixton, Chassen Road (1tp2h), Urmston, Humphrey Park, Trafford Park and Deansgate
- Both trains appear to take the same route.
- Some stations like Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington West and Deansgate have lifts, but disabled access is patchy.
- The service has a dedicated terminal at Manchester Oxford Road, which is without doubt Manchester’s worst central station for location, access to the Metrolink, onward travel and step-free access.
- It takes seventy-two minutes. which is an inconvenient time for train operators.
- The route is electrified with 25 KVAC overhead electrification at both ends.
I’ve used this route several times and usually pick it up from Deansgate, as it has a convenient interchange to the Metrolink.
I am fairly certain that Merseyrail’s new Class 777 trains running on battery power in the middle could handle this route.
- They would charge the batteries at the electrified ends of the route.
- They would join the route at Edge Hill station.
- They would offer step-free access between train and platform.
- These trains are built for fast stops, so could all services call at all stations?
- On Merseyrail’s principles, the service would probably be at least two tph, if not four tph.
I estimate that these trains are fast enough to do the return trip between the Wapping Tunnel portal at Edge Hill and Manchester Oxford Road in under two hours.
- A two-four tph stopping service between Liverpool and Manchester City Centres, that took less than an hour, would be very convenient for passengers.
- The service would be well-connected to local tram, train and bus services in both City Centres.
- The service would also very easy for train schedulers to integrate with other services.
Liverpool and Manchester would have the world’s first battery-powered inter-city railway.
Other than the connection of the Wapping Tunnel no extra infrastructure works would be needed.
Wigan North Western Via St. Helens Central
This service is run by Northern.
- It has a frequency of two tph.
- The service calls at Edge Hill, Wavertree Technology Park, Broad Green, Roby, Huyton, Prescot, Eccleston Park, Thatto Heath, St Helens Central, Garswood and Bryn
- The route is fully-electrified with 25 KVAC overhead.
- It takes fifty-one minutes. which is a very convenient time for train operators.
Merseyrail’s new Class 777 trains could handle this route, if fitted with pantographs for 25 KVAC overhead electrification.
- They would join the route at Edge Hill station.
- They would offer step-free access between train and platform.
- On Merseyrail’s principles, the service would probably be at least two tph, if not four tph.
I estimate that these trains are fast enough to do the return trip between the Wapping Tunnel portal at Edge Hill and Wigan North Western in under two hours.
- A two-four tph stopping service between Liverpool and Wigan, that took less than an hour, would be very convenient for passengers.
- Wigan North Western has good connections using the West Coast Main Line.
- The service would also very easy for train schedulers to integrate with other services.
Other than the connection of the Wapping Tunnel no extra infrastructure works would be needed.
Blackpool North
This service is run by Northern.
- It has an hourly frequency.
- The service calls at Huyton, St Helens Central, Wigan North Western, Euxton Balshaw Lane, Leyland, Preston, Kirkham & Wesham and Poulton-le-Fylde
- The route is fully-electrified with 25 KVAC overhead.
- It takes seventy-seven minutes. which is a reasonable time for train operators.
This is a service that could continue as now, but would probably be timed to fit well with four Merseyrail trains between the Wapping Tunnel and Wigan North Western.
Manchester Airport Via Warrington Central And Manchester Piccadilly
This service is run by Northern.
- It has an hourly frequency.
- The service calls at Liverpool South Parkway, Warrington West, Warrington Central, Birchwood, Manchester Oxford Road, Manchester Piccadilly and Mauldeth Road
- The route is partially-electrified with 25 KVAC overhead.
- The service is operated by diesel trains.
- The service uses the overcrowded Castlefield Corridor.
- It takes sixty-nine minutes, which is an inconvenient time for train operators.
This is one of those services, which I think will eventually be partially replaced by other much better services.
- Northern Powerhouse Rail is planning six tph between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Warrington South Parkway and Manchester Airport, which will take just twenty-six minutes.
- Two-four tph on the route between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Oxford Road via Warrington Central would be a better service for the smaller stations. Passengers going to and from Manchester Airport would change at Liverpool Lime Street, Deansgate or Manchester Oxford Road.
Continuing as now, would definitely be possible.
Crewe And Manchester Airport Via Newton-le-Willows And Manchester Piccadilly
This service is run by Northern.
- It has an hourly frequency.
- The service calls at Edge Hill, Wavertree Technology Park, Broad Green, Roby, Huyton, Whiston, Rainhill, Lea Green, St Helens Junction, Earlestown, Newton-le-Willows, Patricroft, Eccles, Deansgate, Manchester Oxford Road, Manchester Piccadilly, Mauldeth Road, Burnage, East Didsbury, Gatley and Heald Green.
- The route is fully-electrified with 25 KVAC overhead.
- The service uses the overcrowded Castlefield Corridor
- It takes eighty-five minutes, which is an inconvenient time for train operators.
This is one of those services, which I think will eventually be partially replaced by other much better services.
- Northern Powerhouse Rail is planning six tph between Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Warrington South Parkway and Manchester Airport, which will take just twenty-six minutes.
- Two-four tph on the route between Liverpool Lime Street and Wigan North Western would be a better service for the smaller stations. Passengers going to and from Manchester Airport and Crewe would change at Liverpool Lime Street or Wigan North Western.
Continuing as now, would definitely be possible.
Warrington Bank Quay Via Earlstown
This service is run by Northern.
- It has an hourly frequency.
- The service calls at Edge Hill, Wavertree Technology Park, Broad Green, Roby, Huyton, Whiston, Rainhill, Lea Green, St Helens Junction and Earlestown.
- The route is fully-electrified with 25 KVAC overhead.
- The service takes forty-three minute, which is a convenient time for train operators.
Merseyrail’s new Class 777 trains could handle this route, if fitted with pantographs for 25 KVAC overhead electrification.
- They would join the route at Edge Hill station.
- They would offer step-free access between train and platform.
- On Merseyrail’s principles, the service would probably be at least two tph, if not four tph.
Other than the connection of the Wapping Tunnel no extra infrastructure works would be needed.
Three Possible Routes Through Wapping
Summing up this section, these are possible routes that could be replaced by services through the Wapping Tunnel.
- Two tph – Manchester Oxford Road
- Two tph – Warrington Bank Quay
- One tph – Wigan North Western
Increasing the Wigan North Western service to two tph, would increase the frequency between Edge Hill and Huyton to a very passenger-friendly four tph.
If eight tph could be accommodated in the Wapping Tunnel, the frequency could also be doubled to Manchester Oxford Road.
This would give the following services through the Wapping Tunnel.
- Four tph – Manchester Oxford Road
- Two tph – Warrington Bank Quay
- Two tph – Wigan North Western
The only local services that would need to run into Liverpool Lime Street would be.
- One tph – Northern – Blackpool North via Wigan North Western.
- One tph – Northern – Manchester Airport and Crewe via St. Helens and Newton-le-Willows.
- One tph – Northern – Manchester Airport via Warrington Central.
- One tph – Trains for Wales – Chester via Runcorn
I can understand, why so many seem to be enthusiastic about using the Wapping Tunnel to connect the Northern and City Lines.
Echoes Of The Brunels’ Thames Tunnel
George Stephenson’s Wapping Tunnel may be the first tunnel under a city, but the Brunels’ Thames Tunnel was the first under a navigable river.
The Brunels’ tunnel was built for horses and carts, but today it is an important rail artery of the London Overground, handling sixteen tph between Wapping and Rotherhithe.
I would expect that the Wapping Tunnel could do for Liverpool, what the Thames Tunnel has done for East London.
Modern signalling techniques probably mean that the theoretical capacity of the Wapping Tunnel is way in excess of the planned maximum frequency of eight tph.
High Speed Two Between Liverpool And London
The latest High Speed Two plans as laid out in the June 2020 Edition of Modern Railways, say that there will be two tph between Liverpool Lime Street and London Euston.
- Both trains will call at Old Oak Common, Crewe and Runcorn.
- Both trains will be 200 metres long classic-compatible High Speed Two trains.
- One train will split and join with a similar service between London Euston and Lancaster.
Will these High Speed Two services replace the current Avanti West Coast services?
Northern Powerhouse Rail Between Liverpool And Manchester
In Changes Signalled For HS2 Route In North, I looked at Transport for the North’s report, which is entitled At A Glance – Northern Powerhouse Rail.
This report says that Northern Powerhouse Rail between Liverpool and Manchester Piccadilly will be as follows.
- Services will go via Manchester Airport.
- There could be a new Warrington South Parkway station.
- Six tph between Liverpool and Manchester via Manchester Airport and Warrington are planned.
- Journey times will be 26 minutes.
I would assume that several of the six tph will continue across the Pennines to Huddersfield, Bradford, Leeds, York and Hull.
Will these Northern Powerhouse Rail services replace the current TransPennine and some of the Northern services?
Northern Powerhouse Rail Trains
Nothing has been said about the trains for Northern Powerhouse Rail.
I suspect they will be versions of the 200 metre long classic-compatible High Speed Two trains.
I do wonder, if Avanti West Coast have already ordered a prototype fleet of these trains,
Look at the specification of the Class 807 trains, they have ordered to boost services on the West Coast Main Line.
- 7 x 26 metre cars.
- 182 metres long. Shorter than an eleven-car Class 390 train.
- All-electric, with no diesel engines or traction batteries. Are they lightweight trains with sparkling acceleration?
- 125 mph operating speed. All Class 80x trains can do this.
- 140 mph operating speed with ERTMS digital signalling. All Class 80x trains can do this.
- Ability to work in pairs. All Class 80x trains can do this, up to a maximum length of twelve cars in normal mode and twenty-four cars in emergency mode. I doubt fourteen cars would be a problem!
To be classic-compatible High Speed Two trains, they would need to be able to cruise at 205 mph, whilst working on High Speed Two. I suspect that Hitachi have got some higher-capacity electrical gear and traction motors with lots more grunt in their extensive parts bin!
If these are a prototype fleet of classic-compatible High Speed Two trains, they will certainly get a lot of in-service testing even before the order is placed for the trains for High Speed Two.
Northern Powerhouse Rail will need trains with a slightly different specification.
- As they won’t generally work on high speed lines, for most trains an operating speed of 140 mph will be sufficient.
- For serving some destinations like Cleethorpes, Harrogate, Hull, Middlesbrough and Redcar an independently-powered capability would be desirable. Sixty miles on batteries would probably be sufficient!
Nothing would appear to be out of Hitachi’s current capabilities.
Liverpool Lime Street Station After Remodelling
Liverpool Lime Street station has two groups of platforms.
- Platforms 1-5 on the Western side
- Platforms 6-10 on the Eastern side.
These pictures show some views of the platforms at Liverpool Lime Street station after the remodelling of 2017-2019.
Note,
- The platforms are not narrow!
- It appears that the five platforms in the Eastern group are all long enough to take an eleven-car Class 390 train, which is 265.3 metres long.
- TransPennine Express trains can use the Western group.
I have looked at a whole day’s traffic on Real Time Trains and it appears that the new track layout allows almost all services to use any available platform.
This flexibility must make operation of the station much easily than it was!
Liverpool Lime Street Station As A High Speed Station
It would appear that the Eastern Group of Platforms 6-10 will all be capable of the following.
- Handling a 182 metre long Avanti West Coast Class 807 train.
- Handling a 200 metres long classic-compatible High Speed Two train.
- Handling a 130 metre long TransPennine Express Class 802 train.
- In the future, handling a Northern Powerhouse Rail train, which will probably be less than 200 metres long.
But they won’t be able to handle High Speed Two’s full-size trains.
Currently, these services capable of over 125 mph are running or are planned from Liverpool Lime Street station.
- 2 tph – Avanti West Coast – Liverpool Lime Street and London Euston
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Newcastle
- 1 tph – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Scarborough
- 3 trains per day(tpd) – TransPennine Express – Liverpool Lime Street and Glasgow
This totals to four tph.
High Speed Two will add two classic-compatible High Speed Two trains.
Will these replace the two Avanti West Coast services?
- They will be run by the same company.
- They will take different routes.
- The current service takes 134 minutes.
- The High Speed Two train will take 94 minutes.
I can see Avanti West Coast running a one tph slower train via stations with difficult connections to Liverpool Lime Street. Think Watford Junction, Milton Keynes, Rugby, Stafford and Stoke-on-Trent.
This would bring the total to five tph.
Northern Powerhouse Rail will run six high speed trains to Manchester and beyond.
If they replaced the two TransPennine Express services, that would bring the maximum number of 200 metre long high speed trains to nine tph.
Could Liverpool Lime Street station handle nine high-speed tph?
Comparison With Birmingham Curzon Street Station
Birmingham Curzon Street station on High Speed Two will handle high speed trains from three directions, as will Liverpool Lime Street station.
The Birmingham station will handle nine tph on seven platforms.
As Liverpool Lime Street station will have ten platforms and also need to handle nine tph, I think it will be able to handle the trains.
Will There Be A Station In The Wapping Tunnel?
Just as London has its clay, which makes excavating for the Underground easy, the Centre of Liverpool has its sandstone, which has been honeycombed with tunnels. In addition to the Wapping Tunnel, there are two other tunnels from Edge Hill station to the Docks; the Waterloo Tunnel and the Victoria Tunnel.
Liverpool has plans for a Knowledge Quarter based on the Universities on Brownlow Hill.
As part of the development, it is intended to develop an area called Paddington Village.
Wikipedia says this about the village.
Paddington Village is a site at the eastern gateway to the city centre and has been earmarked as 1.8m sq ft of science, technology, education and health space.
This is also another paragraph.
Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson announced that the council were looking into a new Merseyrail station to serve the site. A mention of a station is made in the October 2017 Liverpool City Region Combined Authority update to the Long Term Rail Strategy. Merseytravel commissioned a feasibility report into re-opening the Wapping Tunnel in May 2016 which found that it was a valid proposal which would allow for a new station to be built that could serve the Knowledge Quarter.
Someone has thought up a proposal for a Lime Line, which would be a tram or bus system, linking the Knowledge Quarter and the City Centre.
This map shows how their proposal fits in with all the other rail systems in Liverpool City.
Note the Wapping Tunnel is shown on the map, as a dotted blue line.
- It connects to the Northern Line to the South of Liverpool Central station.
- It connects to the City Line to the West of Edge Hill station.
- A station named University/KQ is shown.
A new St. James station is also shown
Conclusion
Using the Wapping Tunnel to increase capacity in Liverpool City Centre could be used if required to improve capacity for the high speed network in the city, by removing local trains from Liverpool Lime Street station.
Should High Speed Two’s Macclesfield And London Service Call At Birmingham Interchange?
Connecting Manchester City Centre to the High Speed Two network will be a major undertaking.
- It looks increasingly likely that High Speed Two and Northern Powerhouse Rail will have a shared line running from the main High Speed Two route through Crewe to Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport.
- Between Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly will be in a high speed tunnel.
- Northern Powerhouse Rail will connect Liverpool Lime Street and Warrington to Manchester Airport and Manchester Piccadilly.
- There will be a major problem keeping train services running between Manchester and Birmingham, London and the South.
But just at Project Rio kept Manchester connected during the rebuilding of the West Coast Main Line in the early years of this century, I believe that a similar creditable alternative route may be starting to evolve.
Avanti’s Additional Class 807 Trains Will Be Delivered
These trains will allow additional services and release some Class 390 trains to reinforce other services.
Avanti West Coast’s Future West Coast Main Line Service
The small fleet of Class 807 trains are needed to provide extra services on the West Coast Main Line.
- But if these trains are successful, will more be used as replacements for the nearly twenty-years-old Class 390 trains?
- Will they also be given more traction power to double as the classic-compatible trains for High Speed Two.
- Other operators might also like to purchase a high capacity 200 metre long high speed train, which would share routes used by High Speed Two.
In Thoughts On Class 807 Trains And High Speed Two’s Classic-Compatible Trains, I discuss the design of extra trains for High Speed Two and the West Coast Main Line.
Surely, though having similar trains handling both roles on the West Coast Main Line and High Speed Two, would be an advantage to Avanti West Coast?
London And Manchester Services
Currently, there are these services between London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly stations.
- Via Milton Keynes Central, Stoke-on-Trent and Stockport
- Via Stoke-on-Trent, Macclesfield and Stockport
- Via Stafford, Crewe, Wilmslow and Stockport
All services have a frequency of one train per hour (tph)
High Speed Two plans to run these services between the South and the Manchester area.
- 1 tph – 200 metres – London Euston and Wigan North Western via Old Oak Common, Crewe and Warrington Bank Quay
- 1 tph – 200 metres – London Euston and Macclesfield via Old Oak Common, Stafford and Stoke.
- 1 tph – 400 metres – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common, Birmingham Interchange and Manchester Airport
- 2 tph – 400 metres – London Euston and Manchester Piccadilly via Old Oak Common and Manchester Airport
- 2 tph – 200 metres – Birmingham Curzon Street and Manchester Piccadilly via Manchester Airport
- 1 tph – 200 metres – Birmingham Curzon Street and Wigan North |Western
Note.
- I have included Wigan North Western, as it has good connections to North Manchester.
- Services can’t go via Manchester Airport until the tunnel is completed.
- The 400 metre services will need to use dedicated High Speed Two tracks, so will need to use the tunnel via Manchester Airport.
Wigan and Macclesfield stations will not be requiring major rebuilding, during the construction of High Speed Two. That should mean the stations will not need to be closed for long periods.
- Macclesfield station could probably handle up to three tph from the South.
- Wigan North Western station could probably handle two tph from the South.
- Work in the Manchester Piccadilly area, may well close the station at times.
I suspect Macclesfield and Wigan North Western could be very useful alternative stations for travelling to and from the South.
Manchester And Birmingham Via Macclesfield
I can see that there could be difficulties for some passengers, if they found themselves at Macclesfield wanting to go to the Birmingham area.
A solution would be for the Macclesfield and London service to stop at Birmingham Interchange, which will be extremely well-connected.
Birmingham Interchange
This map from High Speed Two, shows Birmingham Interchange and Birmingham International stations.
Note.
- Birmingham Interchange station is marked by the blue dot.
- Birmingham International station is to the West of the M42.
The two stations will be connected by an automatic people mover.
Destinations and their frequencies available from Birmingham Interchange, when High Speed Two is complete will include.
- 2 tph – Birmingham Curzon Street
- 1 tph – Carlisle
- 1 tph – East Midlands Hub
- 1 tph – Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1 tph – Edinburgh Waverley
- 1 tph – Glasgow Central
- 1 tph – Leeds
- 5 tph – London Euston
- 1 tph – Manchester Airport
- 1 tph – Manchester Piccadilly
- 5 tph – Old Oak Common
- 1 tph – Preston
It looks like if you miss your train to many important cities at Birmingham Interchange, it will be an hour to wait for the next train.
Destinations and their frequencies available from Birmingham International are currently.
- 8 tph – Birmingham New Street
- 1 tph – Bournemouth
- 1 tph – Crewe
- 0.5 tph to Edinburgh Waverley
- 0.5 tph to Glasgow Central
- 7 tph – London Euston
- 1 tph – Macclesfield
- 1 tph – Manchester Piccadilly
- 1 tph – Reading
- 1 tph – Shrewsbury
- 1 tph – Southampton
- 1 tph – Stafford
- 1 tph – Stoke-on-Trent
- 2 tph – Wolverhampton
Note that 0.5 tph is one train per two hours.
These two lists can be combined.
- 10 tph – Birmingham Curzon Street/New Street
- 1 tph – Bournemouth
- 2 tph – Carlisle
- 1 tph – Crewe
- 1 tph – East Midlands Hub
- 1.5 tph – Edinburgh Haymarket
- 1.5 tph – Edinburgh Waverley
- 1.5 tph – Glasgow Central
- 1 tph – Leeds
- 12 tph – London Euston
- 1 tph – Macclesfield
- 1 tph – Manchester Airport
- 2 tph – Manchester Piccadilly
- 5 tph – Old Oak Common
- 1 tph – Preston
- 1 tph – Reading
- 1 tph – Shrewsbury
- 1 tph – Southampton
- 1 tph – Stafford
- 1 tph – Stoke-on-Trent
- 2 tph – Wolverhampton
This list is surely missing Bristol, Cardiff, Liverpool, Sheffield and Newcastle.
Conclusion
We should not underestimate the importance of Macclesfield and Wigan North Western stations in getting to and from Manchester during the building of High Speed Two.


































